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My Farseer with the phoenix gem was attacked by lots of genestealers and my opponent decided to roll half of his attacks and then roll the 2nd half after. The first half killed the farseer and then I used the phoenix gem to inflict mortal wounds and return to life with 1 wound remaining. Can he then finish his genestealer attacks?

 Kharneth wrote:
My Farseer with the phoenix gem was attacked by lots of genestealers and my opponent decided to roll half of his attacks and then roll the 2nd half after. The first half killed the farseer and then I used the phoenix gem to inflict mortal wounds and return to life with 1 wound remaining. Can he then finish his genestealer attacks?

Well your problem right there is he can't decide to roll half his attacks and then roll the other half. You only have permission to either roll them one at a time, or fast roll all identical attacks at the same time. Since it's possible for you to resurrect, your opponent is better off rolling them one at a time.

It actually wouldn't make a difference anyway if he batch rolled them all at once, because even if you came back, if he has extra wounds to allocate they still get allocated, because the Phoenix Gem prevents you from being slain (it explicitly says "is not slain", you don't blink out of existence and come back) and any mortal wounds can be taken from models that have already attacked.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Kharneth wrote:
My Farseer with the phoenix gem was attacked by lots of genestealers and my opponent decided to roll half of his attacks and then roll the 2nd half after. The first half killed the farseer and then I used the phoenix gem to inflict mortal wounds and return to life with 1 wound remaining. Can he then finish his genestealer attacks?

Well your problem right there is he can't decide to roll half his attacks and then roll the other half. You only have permission to either roll them one at a time, or fast roll all identical attacks at the same time. Since it's possible for you to resurrect, your opponent is better off rolling them one at a time.

Well his argument was that they're always rolled one at a time, he was just rolling them all together to make it fast. So, that is how the gem works, though? Immediately after that individual attack kills him, he resurrects and then we continue down the rest of the attacks? That makes it pretty worthless.

But you're saying you can't roll them all together counting as one at a time, but you actually choose between one or the other?

 Kharneth wrote:
Well his argument was that they're always rolled one at a time, he was just rolling them all together to make it fast. So, that is how the gem works, though? Immediately after that individual attack kills him, he resurrects and then we continue down the rest of the attacks? That makes it pretty worthless.

But you're saying you can't roll them all together counting as one at a time, but you actually choose between one or the other?

The rules for Fast Rolling are explicit.

If this is the case, make all of the hit rolls at the same time, then all of the wound rolls.

You don't have permission to make half the hits and half the wounds, you must do them all.

Since the Phoenix Gem is not like Celestine's or Gulliman's resurrection rules, where they are removed and then placed back on the board (which would cause the remaining wounds to be wasted), but instead says "this model is not slain, but remains in play with a single wound remaining", the rest of the wounds can be allocated to the Farseer's unit as normal.

I must of course include the disclaimer that this is what the rules say, and it has been explained to me the "majority" of people do not play by the rules, so feel free to ignore it and say your Farseer doesn't take the wounds and also have a 1+++.

All right, thanks. So not only does it not exactly work, but it'll force my enemies to roll their attacks one at a time against him making his death take forever! I need a new artifact.

 Kharneth wrote:
All right, thanks. So not only does it not exactly work, but it'll force my enemies to roll their attacks one at a time against him making his death take forever! I need a new artifact.

Can't go wrong with the Shiftshroud or the Shimmerplume. -1 to hit is always good, even moreso on Eldar. The Gem is more useful against a low number of powerful attacks rather than a high number of single damage attacks, this is true.

Well I've just taken the phoenix gem thinking it'd save his life if he ever died and that there's nothing really useful that I can find.

-1 to hit is fine, but my characters rarely get attacked. This time was an exception because we were playing with a custom deployment zone of 24" forward so the tyranids started halfway across the board with turn 1 charges lol.

Stacking the -1 to hit relic with the Alaitoc trait and Conceal might be enough to expose my farseer, but even then I feel like it wouldn't be worth the risk.