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Decrepit Dakkanaut




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So 40K has 7 dedicated subsections to itself (Ignoring 30K which is a different game) whilst Sigmar only has 3. I wonder with Age of Sigmar 2 generating quite a lot of interest now, would it not be worth considering expanding the number of subsections for Fantasy to give it more room and encourage more growth and chat?


Right now the sections are like follows:
40K:
Army Lists
You Make Da Call
Proposed Rules
Battle Reports
Tactics
Background
General Discussion

Sigmar:
General Discussion and lore
Battle Reports
Tactics, Army lists and Rules Questions


Now granted Sigmar has everything 40K has technically, its just scrunched up a bit more so. Part of that I'm sure is the volume of talk and I perfectly accept that it might be the choice that the sections don't expand until there is pressure to do so; but I'd wager expansion would encourage more chat more than waiting for it to happen.

With a new edition there are bound to be lots of rules questions and it would be a shame for rules and army lists to be competing with each other for space alongside general tactical questions and chat. The general chat and lore already has a full page of threads from this month alone so I would say that shows that there's strong interest in the game that is only likely to grow over the coming weeks.


Another option to consider would be base it off the Grand Alliances such as:

General Discussion and lore
Battle Reports
Rules Questions
Order General, Tactics and Army lists
Chaos General, Tactics and Army lists
Destruction General, Tactics and Army lists
Death General, Tactics and Army lists



I'm aware Dakka Dakka is historically a 40K focused site and that with forums there's often a desire to limit subsections to avoid bloating the site structure and diluting content by spreading it out too far; but I do think that this would be a worth while change; esp with the greater strength Fantasy has today and with the internet being the way it is, maximising the potential membership base can only help keep Dakka busy and full of members.

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I don't think it needs to be broken down into alliance sub-sections. I think just a separate one for background would be enough. So general discussion, background, tactics-rules-army lists and the battle reports.
   
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Florence, KY

Past policy on Dakka has been that if the traffic for the forum is there, they will consider adding it. With the new edition of Age of Sigmar, it will be best to wait to see of the new edition creates sustained discussion for the game or if it's just a temporary increase.

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Gathering the Informations.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't think it needs to be broken down into alliance sub-sections. I think just a separate one for background would be enough. So general discussion, background, tactics-rules-army lists and the battle reports.

I think Alliance subsections would be kind of helpful. We see a lot of specific questions about factions and this would be a good way for new people to be able to find 'the right spot' for their questions.
   
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Pretty much what Ghaz said. We actually collapsed some of the AoS subfora last time we reorganized the site structure. As time goes by, more people will get into AoS and as that discussion plays out on Dakka Dakka we will certainly build out the sub fora again to meet that need.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
Pretty much what Ghaz said. We actually collapsed some of the AoS subfora last time we reorganized the site structure. As time goes by, more people will get into AoS and as that discussion plays out on Dakka Dakka we will certainly build out the sub fora again to meet that need.


To be fair though, if memory serves the forum was restructured when AoS was in its dumpster fire infancy( I freely say that as a day one fanboi) . I think its come a long way since then.

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Florence, KY

 nels1031 wrote:
 Manchu wrote:
Pretty much what Ghaz said. We actually collapsed some of the AoS subfora last time we reorganized the site structure. As time goes by, more people will get into AoS and as that discussion plays out on Dakka Dakka we will certainly build out the sub fora again to meet that need.


To be fair though, if memory serves the forum was restructured when AoS was in its dumpster fire infancy( I freely say that as a day one fanboi) . I think its come a long way since then.

Already covered...

 Ghaz wrote:
... it will be best to wait to see of the new edition creates sustained discussion for the game or if it's just a temporary increase.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 nels1031 wrote:
To be fair though, if memory serves the forum was restructured when AoS was in its dumpster fire infancy( I freely say that as a day one fanboi) . I think its come a long way since then.

True . As a fantasy player at the time myself, oh my gosh that was some nerd rage! Which I, actually, participated in a bit...

The General Discussion section for AoS is hopping, which is great! But looking through the other two AoS subforums, their activity level is the following:

Tactics, Army Lists & Rules Questions - 6 threads active in the last 4 days (this is just fine)
AoS Battle Reports - 1 thread active in the last 4 days, another from last week, and the next almost a month ago

I personally love the idea in general of faction-specific forums, as I participated in these a lot on the Privateer Press site, but looking at the above I don't think the activity is there and they would be quite empty. The tactics subforum is a better indication (as maybe people just don't write a lot of battle reports, although the 40k section for that is very busy). But the activity level we're seeing there definitely wouldn't fill faction-specific subforums.

So all that to say... I'm no longer an AoS-hater (you can thank Shadespire for that ) and love the idea of expanding the section, but it just doesn't seem warranted yet. I do think we could make a great case for changing Battle Reports to something else, but I'm not sure what that would be... perhaps giving Army Lists its own section, and keeping the prior section as just Tactics & Rules Questions?

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Personally I think the AoS forums are divided up a bit strange. I would move the battle reports in with the army lists and tactics and give rules questions their own forum (to keep everyone from posting them in general discussions/background). Anything more will have to wait until Yak and Lego have enough data to make a decision.

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Yeah, they're odd because the old fantasy forums got compressed down into them, and at the time without point levels the thinking was army lists wouldn't warrant their own section.

Now, though, looking through that combined section, most of the threads are Army Lists. So wouldn't that be the one to get its own dedicated subforum, if we were dropping Battle Reports?

So, it could be:

AoS General Discussion & Background
AoS Army Lists
AoS Tactics & Rules Questions

(Only 1 out of the top 10 current threads in the combined Tactics/Army Lists/Rules Questions subforum is actually a rules question, so I don't think that would be the one to split out!)
   
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Florence, KY

I was just going with the odd man in the four subjects with Rules. You need an Army List and you need Tactics to play a game for a good Battle Report. Those three just seem to logically fit together to me.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 RiTides wrote:
So all that to say... I'm no longer an AoS-hater (you can thank Shadespire for that ) and love the idea of expanding the section, but it just doesn't seem warranted yet.


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I've championed that in the past, nels, believe me! But we've also crashed and burned with it, and in general the admins (yakface and legoburner) wait for traffic to indicate we need a new forum, rather than hoping a new forum brings in traffic...

Any thoughts on the idea about replacing the Battle Reports forum above, though? That one certainly seems ripe for tweaking, and wouldn't add to the number of forums (which makes it much more likely to be approved if we run it up the chain!).
   
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 nels1031 wrote:
 RiTides wrote:
So all that to say... I'm no longer an AoS-hater (you can thank Shadespire for that ) and love the idea of expanding the section, but it just doesn't seem warranted yet.


"If you build it, they will come."

-Kevin Costner, Waterworld,

Not sure if you're serious (no orkmoticon), but the film that quote was from was Field of Dreams and was actually "If you build it, he will come". Anyway, I have my own quote from last year...

 Ghaz wrote:
Dakka's policy on forums seems to be 'if they come, we will build it'.

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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
Not sure if you're serious


My mistake. Pretty sure its from The Postman, though. /keepyouguessingorkmoticon

Regarding Battle Reports subforum(s), personally I can say if I ever clicked on a battle report on this or any other 40k/AoS forum, its most likely by complete accident. I go to Youtube if I feel the need to look at battle reports and its usually just games of import (tournies) or folks that I know, either personally or just being fans through podcasts or the gaming community. edit: there is Twitch as well!

Even the 40K Battle Report forum seems barren at first glance.

I just never felt that they lend themselves well to forums. Its either a wall of text, or a link to youtube(which I go straight too) or some random goons blog. Very rarely is there any discussion, which is the antithesis of a discussion forum obviously. But when NinthMusketeer gets his head around the new spells/mechanics and maybe posts a AoS 2.0 Maggotkin tactics/army list building thread, I'll read it multiple times and myself or others will pick his brain and generally get a discussion. That just doesn't seem to happen with Battle Reports in my experience.

If other folks enjoy them, that's awesome, but they do nothing for me. I wouldn't mourn their passing altogether, but that is probably too extreme.

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Yeah, I think they might be a bit of a holdover from before YouTube became as dominant as it is now (looks like the current iteration of Dakka started the same year as YouTube).

When written out well with lots of pics, I think they can be awesome, but I'm not sure if we need a forum of links to YouTube videos...

Something to think about tweaking, for sure!

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Manchu wrote:Pretty much what Ghaz said. We actually collapsed some of the AoS subfora last time we reorganized the site structure. As time goes by, more people will get into AoS and as that discussion plays out on Dakka Dakka we will certainly build out the sub fora again to meet that need.


nels1031 wrote:

"If you build it, they will come."

-Kevin Costner, Waterworld,


Manchu thanks for the reply and I do agree that building sections before activity can backfire very easily and leave you with nothing. The building it and they come doesn't always work on forums. However, by the admissions in this thread alone, we can see that the only reason we don't already have more fantasy sections is because of the AoS original launch mess that basically caused a huge collapse of interest and changed how things worked (ergo at launch there were no points and rules were beardy in the extreme).

Based on that I would say that expanding the sections isn't so much a case of expanding before growth, but repairing and rebuiding what was there before. At the very least I would say break off Rules Questions to its own subsection since a new edition and new players is likely to generate a lot more of them than anything else. A dedicated section that splits up rules and tactical chat I think would be a big help. It anticipates likely volume of threads; breaks it into its own section and leaves the tactics section free for all the faction tactical threads.
Adding in Grand Alliance subsections or further subdivision could well be things that come later when activity does spark a need for such things to be introduced.

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AoS did not lead to a crisis of interest in GW Fantasy - quite the reverse! There was tons more discussion of Fantasy than there had been in ages (on this site), especially the wideranging debates over whether AoS was absolute crap or a healthy change. The WHFB subfora probably needed collpasing for a long time before. If we were to re-work the AoS forum now, I would agree with your suggestion:

- AoS General Discussion & Background (move batreps here)
- AoS You Make Da Call
- AoS Tactics and Amry Lists


Automatically Appended Next Post:
What do you guys think of making AoS Background its own subforum?

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Gathering the Informations.

No.
Background needs its own place, end of story(no pun intended).

It's impossible to have any real discussion about the background otherwise since many people this many years in for AoS still aren't aware of basic mechanics surrounding the background.
   
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RVA

So

- AoS General Discussion (including batreps)
- AoS You Make Da Call
- AoS Tactics and Army Lists
- AoS Background

   
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I'd say put Battle Reports down in Tactics and Army lists - it would seem to fit better in there (to my mind) than in general discussion.

Otherwise seems like a good idea - tactics and army lists fit together well; it puts lore in its own place; keeps general discussions open and gives a section for the rules.

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 Manchu wrote:
So

- AoS General Discussion (including batreps)
- AoS You Make Da Call
- AoS Tactics and Army Lists
- AoS Background

As I noted above, you need an Army List and Tactics to have a good Battle Report. It makes more sense to have those three in one forum, at least to me...

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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I like the complete omission of Battle Reports from Manchu's post. Seems like 80% of the posts in the AoS BR subforum are from 1 dude, none of which have alot of discussion.

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Florence, KY

Both of his posts have batreps (.e., Battle Reports) as part of General Discussions.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty
Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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RVA

OK so batreps in Tactics & Army Lists, sounds good to me, too.

   
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 Ghaz wrote:
Both of his posts have batreps (.e., Battle Reports) as part of General Discussions.


Ah snap, I missed it.

I saw what I wanted to see!

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The words "Battle Reports" couldbe in the subforum description rather than the title.

   
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 Manchu wrote:
The words "Battle Reports" couldbe in the subforum description rather than the title.

People don't read the fine print... or the big print... or the stickies... or the forum rules...

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
 
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