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Has anybody passed this test?

I am sick of my life with it at the minute. Correct me if I am wrong but you have to get 70% in every module, not just 70% overall? So its extremely annoying when I am passing the test overall but failing in one or two modules. I mean if you get 100% in most modules I don't care if I get 30% on the "Introduction to the ICAEW" module which is five pages and that I have read four or five times and contains none of the relevant information.

I mean its 30 multiple choice questions and I can have notes. It should be literally a case of plugging the answers in and the vast majority of these questions are not judgement based but are like "who does the ICAEW Code of Ethics apply to?" and "Can an insolvency practitioner take on this work?" which are not given clear answers in the study materials. So they can say what they want but this is a rules based test.

But this basically means I have to explain to the boss that I haven't passed this super easy multiple choice ethics test and I am going to probably lose my weekend as I die of an aneurism reading about more inane and badly written dribble that has nothing to do with the questions.

I mean this is the last test I did. I think module 1 must only be three questions since before I've only ever got 33% or 67% or 100%.....

Module 01 - 33%
Module 02 - 86%
Module 03 - 100%
Module 04 - 100%
Module 05 - 50%
Module 06 - 83%
Overall - 73%

But honestly I am gonna claw my eyes out if I have to read that dumb module test again and that one smaple paper they have.

It is a multiple choice test? And you get to have notes? Should be easy peasy right?
If you don't have all the required information to answer the test, you simply need to find more. Should not be that hard to find. Before reading this post, I had never heard of the ICAEW ever before, but I found the answer to one of the questions you mention within two minutes of googling. ICAEW's Code of Ethics applies to: members; provisional members (ie, students); affiliates; member firms, in all of their professional and business activities, whether remunerated or voluntary; and employees of member firms.
http://eservices-bpp.co.uk/customer/iceaw/ethics/module.htm?manifest=./content/module1/modulemanifest.xml
Just don't give up, keep looking, keep studying, and you will make it. Studying can be immensely frustrating, but it is just something you have to get through.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
It is a multiple choice test? And you get to have notes? Should be easy peasy right?
If you don't have all the required information to answer the test, you simply need to find more. Should not be that hard to find. Before reading this post, I had never heard of the ICAEW ever before, but I found the answer to one of the questions you mention within two minutes of googling. ICAEW's Code of Ethics applies to: members; provisional members (ie, students); affiliates; member firms, in all of their professional and business activities, whether remunerated or voluntary; and employees of member firms.
http://eservices-bpp.co.uk/customer/iceaw/ethics/module.htm?manifest=./content/module1/modulemanifest.xml
Just don't give up, keep looking, keep studying, and you will make it. Studying can be immensely frustrating, but it is just something you have to get through.

The question was a little more vague than that:

It was something like "Which of these does not need to follow the ICAEW Code of Ethics?": As you point out the advise tells you who is a member it doesn't tell you who isn't; which is really unhelpful. The options were something like:

* An ICAEW approved insolvency practive and you are a trainee where none of the partners are ICAEW.
* A Finance Director training 5 ICAEW trainees.
* A company employee where most of the board of directors are ICAEW qualified.
* A tax firm where you are a partner where less than half of them are ICAEW partners.

The problem with this question is that it is referring to individuals who are not part of the ICAEW but are maybe part of an organisation that has members affiliated with the ICAEW. At what point does that give them the responsibility to follow the code of Ethics? In fact I don't think they said that any of these individuals were ICAEW.

A lot of the questions are like that where they're asking for a negative, so the information isn't in the study material. Whenever it asks you something straightforward like "Which fundamental principle does this description most suit" its simple.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:


A lot of the questions are like that where they're asking for a negative, so the information isn't in the study material. Whenever it asks you something straightforward like "Which fundamental principle does this description most suit" its simple.

Sounds like they are testing whether you have really comprehended the subject, as opposed to simply repetition of rote learning.

 Totalwar1402 wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:
It is a multiple choice test? And you get to have notes? Should be easy peasy right?
If you don't have all the required information to answer the test, you simply need to find more. Should not be that hard to find. Before reading this post, I had never heard of the ICAEW ever before, but I found the answer to one of the questions you mention within two minutes of googling. ICAEW's Code of Ethics applies to: members; provisional members (ie, students); affiliates; member firms, in all of their professional and business activities, whether remunerated or voluntary; and employees of member firms.
http://eservices-bpp.co.uk/customer/iceaw/ethics/module.htm?manifest=./content/module1/modulemanifest.xml
Just don't give up, keep looking, keep studying, and you will make it. Studying can be immensely frustrating, but it is just something you have to get through.

The question was a little more vague than that:

It was something like "Which of these does not need to follow the ICAEW Code of Ethics?": As you point out the advise tells you who is a member it doesn't tell you who isn't; which is really unhelpful. The options were something like:

* An ICAEW approved insolvency practive and you are a trainee where none of the partners are ICAEW.
* A Finance Director training 5 ICAEW trainees.
* A company employee where most of the board of directors are ICAEW qualified.
* A tax firm where you are a partner where less than half of them are ICAEW partners.

The problem with this question is that it is referring to individuals who are not part of the ICAEW but are maybe part of an organisation that has members affiliated with the ICAEW. At what point does that give them the responsibility to follow the code of Ethics? In fact I don't think they said that any of these individuals were ICAEW.

A lot of the questions are like that where they're asking for a negative, so the information isn't in the study material. Whenever it asks you something straightforward like "Which fundamental principle does this description most suit" its simple.

Isn't that the way any legal writing works? It doesn't need to tell you when it doesn't apply.

If you can't understand this type of writing, and you're failing the test, it sounds like the test is doing its job. I'm sure the 3 question part contains the 3 questions they think are mandatory for someone to get right. Tests are designed like this for a reason.

Yeah, that is definitely more tricky.
But, if you can answer a positive question you should also be able to answer the negative one. The answer would be whichever does not fit the criteria for the positive question.
So from the options you provided, a trainee in an ICAEW approved insolvency practive would undoubtedly fall under the 'provisional member' category and therefore be bound to the code of ethics.
The finance director is training ICAEW members, so that makes it highly likely he is a member himself as well, meaning the code applies to him. An employee working for a company where most of the board is ICAEW qualified would also be bound to the code as it states that directors of member firms ( a company where most of the board is ICAEW member is eligible to be a member firm) are responsible for the conduct of their non-member employees (who, if I read it correctly would be affiliates). That leaves out option four, because less than half of the partners in that company are ICAEW members (meaning it is not eligible for ICAEW membership).
Questions like these are definitely doable, especially with notes, but it takes a lot of careful reading. As steelmage says, they really seem to be testing your deeper comprehension of the material. I hate tests like that. I am afraid that the only thing you can do with these kinds of tests is to read the material again and again and again. Maybe you can like draw graphs or something to make it more clear (like who is a member or not).
Really boring stuff. I don't envy you. Have you considered becoming an archaeologist instead? Our work can be so much more exciting!
Though even in archaeology you can't escape from tedious tests and essays. Oh god I hate essays. Studying = pain. I yet have to start my essay and I am bored already. Having attention deficit disorder definitely doesn't help...