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Seeing as my other list failed. Renegade knights are a waste of points.

Most small tourney or most casual games at flgs are 1k team up.

Battalion 1
CSM:Iron Warriors
HQ
Lord-74
Apostle-76

Troops
40 cultists, MoS-160 to screen the HQs
10 cultists,MoS-40
10 cultists,MoS-40

Heavy
Havocs, 4 ac,MoS-125
Havocs, 4 ac,MoS-125
Havocs, 4 ac,MoS-125
Havocs, 4 ac,MoS-125
Havocs, 3 ac,MoS-110

I guess I will have to settle for casual games and partner up with some one who has speed and or melee.

I appreciate any suggestions on how to make this weak list better.

Edit: just found out organized play limits only 2 data sheets of non troops at 1k. Meaning i could only take 2 havocs squads in 1k.



I have just had enough of this Bullfrak! I am pissed off. I am table flipping mad. I am really angry to come back to 8th edition to learn i cant play my old army. First I find out my Renegade Knights are vastly inferior to loyalists. My Unending Horde from 7th IA:SoV cant work because the tide of traitors is reduced to once per battle. I cant take more than 3 of the same non troop unit even if Battalion allows for up to 5 heavy support slots. My Spawns lost fleet, ignore difficult terrain and their 12" move. My Heldrake can only hit d6 models with its baleflamer instead of entire squads under the flamer template. My Rhinos cost twice as much just to transport some weak csm who have lower ld and are worse than grey hunters points for points. I cant have trio of chaos terminators for termicide, now i have to have 5 in a squad. My obliterators cant have the weapon of choice per turn i need them to be. I am just rage quitting wh40k with so much anger and hatred right now. I am punching holes in walls and swinging chairs at windows.