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How I would improve The Last Jedi with minimal revision

Leia dies in the explosion.
Ackbar is the one that stays behind and rams the ship.
No Hodo.
Luke is enthusiastic to train Rey.
Po goes with Fin to planet to get hacker.
Rose Tico lets Fin steal a ship after he flirts awkwardly with her, she sneaks onto ship.
David Tennant cameo in casino, implying Doctor Who is there, but not really confirming it.
Rose Tico knocks fin out of the way and saves Fin, but dies ramming the super laser, buying the Resistance vital time they need to escape.
Luke is actually there for the final battle and dies Obi Wan Kenobi Style instead of being an illusion.
Po becomes head of the Resistance in Leia's absence.

In my mind all it needed was a sub-plot of a spy on the resistance ship. One so high that they couldn't trust anyone outside of the core circle of power (even their best lead pilot). One so key that they couldn't afford to let the spy escape either - that would explain the lock-down on the ship and the whole attitude of keeping the plan secret.


Personally I've never had a problem with Luke being depressed and defeated; however I think the only resolution there would have been to have had more time to actually show him starting his new order, begin the training and then having done that failed and seen him break. Because it happens "of screen" as such I think many have trouble trying to take Luke of their memories and see him as the adult who is crushed by his own percieved failure.



As for his death I loved it - a ghost sent through the force - the power of that event weakening him to the point he joined Yoda and others in another layer of mystery about the Force.

Interesting definition of minimal revision. Without sarcasm, scorn or anything toxic - these changes erase a ton of the film's more compelling themes and moments, completely alter interesting character traits, and add multiple plot holes. I'd much prefer the original film - but I'm sure there'll be a number of people in here to tell you how they'd rather it was changed in a completely different way.

I'm also not sure why there's a Doctor Who cameo. Wouldn't it be more fun to have Q in the casino, if you're going down that route?

 Overread wrote:
In my mind all it needed was a sub-plot of a spy on the resistance ship. One so high that they couldn't trust anyone outside of the core circle of power (even their best lead pilot). One so key that they couldn't afford to let the spy escape either - that would explain the lock-down on the ship and the whole attitude of keeping the plan secret.

I'd gotten the impression that that's exactly what they were worried about - no one knew hyperspace tracking was a thing, so literally everything was on a need-to-know basis. Just because the answer was something completely different doesn't mean Holdo wasn't right to take precautions.

So... https://www.remakethelastjedi.com/

That for realz?

O.o

There's a 95% chance this is a really ballsy grift chasing indignant "only I know how Star Wars should be" money (they said they were taking writing suggestions from the public via gmail, and their 'plan' is to 'get attention and then persuade Disney in a meeting), but there's an infinitesimal possibility that it's for real.

Which I really shouldn't find hilarious, but I'm losing it inside imagining a couple hundred strangers on the internet arguing on a Google Doc somewhere about what prequel character Snoke should be and where they could crowbar in a monologue backstory for him.

(He's clearly Elan Sleazbaggano, guys! He no longer wants to sell Death Sticks, but Obi-Wan never thought about the real possibilities of going home and rethinking your life...)

 whembly wrote:
So... https://www.remakethelastjedi.com/

That for realz?

O.o

I'd heard mention of it on Twitter, but wasn't sure whether it was real or not.

Seriously? $94 million raised? That has got to be a joke.

You cant fix that pile of foul smelling gak with minimal adjustments - You need to start from the beginning and rewrite almost every scene and the entire plot: But at least it can’t be worse than what the Director inflicted on us first time round.

Rey, Kylo and Luke stuff is pretty much the same but changes include:

Establish that time has passed, the First Order has spent weeks or longer taking over the galaxy, crushing all resistance (not half an hour)., some planets collaborate, others are hammered.

Imperial Fleet vs Evacuation: similar, except no stupid bombers - Rose's sister is a Y Wing pilot who sacrifices herself to destroy the Dreadnought with a suicide run.

Rebels flee but are tracked

Fleet splits up when the FO arrive, roving space battle with fighters holding off the enemy ties, Rebel command ship is crippled and its FTL knocked off line and has to head to nearby planet. Leia dies

The FO destroy the ship in orbit but many escape to a old mining base, they are perused and a brutal battle begins as they are hunted down

Rey arrives and she and Kylo kill Snoke, other renegade warships arrive and engage FO ships.

Ends with Kylo and Rey in the scene of devastation trying to decide if they can trust each other as FO forces converge on the shattered bridge area.

Minimal changes? Easy enough.

1) Eliminate the 'prank call' between Poe and Hux. Poe goes in shooting with a full squadron behind him because Hux was smart enough to launch a fighter screen ASAP.

2) Cut the comic scene of Finn all but naked in the leaky transparent suit. Have him wake up in a bed, cut as he gets dressed, and then do the scene with Poe.

2) Leia doesn't discipline Poe for suffering heavy casualties while delaying an overwhelming force so the fleet can escape.

3) Leia dies in the explosion. Ideally Kylo Ren fires the shot, knowing she's there, following up on his killing Han and cementing his path to the Dark Side.

4) Vice Admiral Holdo takes over, and refuses to share her plan because, as she tells Poe and the audience, "Clearly there's a spy. Unless you catch him, my plans remain a secret so they can't be betrayed to the enemy."

5) Scatter some small scenes backing this up - unauthorized transmissions being detected on the flagship, new reports received by the First Order.

6) Poe has to stay and seek the spy, but sends Rose and Finn to find the Resistance agent who first reported they were infiltrated. Canto Bite follows, they miss their connection, the hacker convinces them to seek the information they want from the source - by hacking the First Order directly. The rest of this plot follows unchanged... aside from having Finn and Phasma get a REAL fight scene in.

7) Once everyone has followed Holdo's plan and bailed out in those unarmed transports, Holdo goes to the comm panel and tells the First Order "It's time." SHE'S THE SPY!

8) Back on the Flying Wing, Hux tells his gunners to lock on to the fleeing transports. Holdo protests, "You promised, if I set them up for capture you'd take them alive!" Hux replies, "You're far too trusting, my dear." in a shout-out to Grand Moff Tarkin.... and opens fire.

This justifies Holdo's sacrifice as a redemption of her character.

9) Poe does NOT send a bunch of people out to die in the trenches. Everyone but the pilots hunkers down while they go after the supercannon. Ideally, Finn's sacrifice works and buys time for Luke to fly in on his X-Wing, and confront Kylo Ren a la Obi-Wan. Keep the script, though: "This will not end the way you expect" and "Be seeing you, kid" are too good to waste.

10) Eventually the heavy guns on the gorilla walkers breaks through the wall once Luke is 'dealt with.'

11) One last scene, Kylo Ren meditating on a ship... and Luke starts talking to him.

Do that and a lot of the rest is forgivable.

 Vulcan wrote:
Minimal changes? Easy enough.

1) Eliminate the 'prank call' between Poe and Hux. Poe goes in shooting with a full squadron behind him because Hux was smart enough to launch a fighter screen ASAP.

2) Cut the comic scene of Finn all but naked in the leaky transparent suit. Have him wake up in a bed, cut as he gets dressed, and then do the scene with Poe.

2) Leia doesn't discipline Poe for suffering heavy casualties while delaying an overwhelming force so the fleet can escape.

3) Leia dies in the explosion. Ideally Kylo Ren fires the shot, knowing she's there, following up on his killing Han and cementing his path to the Dark Side.

4) Vice Admiral Holdo takes over, and refuses to share her plan because, as she tells Poe and the audience, "Clearly there's a spy. Unless you catch him, my plans remain a secret so they can't be betrayed to the enemy."

5) Scatter some small scenes backing this up - unauthorized transmissions being detected on the flagship, new reports received by the First Order.

6) Poe has to stay and seek the spy, but sends Rose and Finn to find the Resistance agent who first reported they were infiltrated. Canto Bite follows, they miss their connection, the hacker convinces them to seek the information they want from the source - by hacking the First Order directly. The rest of this plot follows unchanged... aside from having Finn and Phasma get a REAL fight scene in.

7) Once everyone has followed Holdo's plan and bailed out in those unarmed transports, Holdo goes to the comm panel and tells the First Order "It's time." SHE'S THE SPY!

8) Back on the Flying Wing, Hux tells his gunners to lock on to the fleeing transports. Holdo protests, "You promised, if I set them up for capture you'd take them alive!" Hux replies, "You're far too trusting, my dear." in a shout-out to Grand Moff Tarkin.... and opens fire.

This justifies Holdo's sacrifice as a redemption of her character.

9) Poe does NOT send a bunch of people out to die in the trenches. Everyone but the pilots hunkers down while they go after the supercannon. Ideally, Finn's sacrifice works and buys time for Luke to fly in on his X-Wing, and confront Kylo Ren a la Obi-Wan. Keep the script, though: "This will not end the way you expect" and "Be seeing you, kid" are too good to waste.

10) Eventually the heavy guns on the gorilla walkers breaks through the wall once Luke is 'dealt with.'

11) One last scene, Kylo Ren meditating on a ship... and Luke starts talking to him.

Do that and a lot of the rest is forgivable.

Lots of good ideas here

One thing that I missed in The Last Jedi was any appearance from the Knights of Ren (I’m hoping they weren’t the red dudes that sucked at their job) They looked badass in the brief TFA scene and their brief time in the reveal trailer is probably when I most paused the trailer before the movie came out.

Instead of that lightspeed tracker thing, Kylo had a Knight of Ren infiltrator (assuming they were Force sensitive) on the ship and thats how they were able to be tracked. Instead of the casino thing, it was a detective subplot on their ship. Leading to the reveal of the Knight of Ren infiltrator. The big twist being that there was more than one.

I feel like I read this somewhere, though.

the whole project if legit is way to premature. It would help to know what happens in 9 so you can actually foreshadow stuff properly.

I see it as a con job, but if it's made it's really just another fan flic. I live action version of the HISHE would be golden

How to fix TLJ: select all, delete. Repeat for TFA. The story ended at the end of ROTJ. Any other suggestions are just nitpicking at superficial flaws and ignoring the much greater problem that the movie shouldn't exist at all.

 Peregrine wrote:
How to fix TLJ: select all, delete. Repeat for TFA. The story ended at the end of ROTJ. Any other suggestions are just nitpicking at superficial flaws and ignoring the much greater problem that the movie shouldn't exist at all.

Agreed.

 Peregrine wrote:
How to fix TLJ: select all, delete. Repeat for TFA. The story ended at the end of ROTJ. Any other suggestions are just nitpicking at superficial flaws and ignoring the much greater problem that the movie shouldn't exist at all.

It's the only way.

7can we place a moratorium on starwars threads until some new sw media is released? This is fething out of control.

 Peregrine wrote:
How to fix TLJ: select all, delete. Repeat for TFA. The story ended at the end of ROTJ. Any other suggestions are just nitpicking at superficial flaws and ignoring the much greater problem that the movie shouldn't exist at all.

Just like this thread.

Lance845 wrote:7can we place a moratorium on starwars threads until some new sw media is released? This is fething out of control.

trexmeyer wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
How to fix TLJ: select all, delete. Repeat for TFA. The story ended at the end of ROTJ. Any other suggestions are just nitpicking at superficial flaws and ignoring the much greater problem that the movie shouldn't exist at all.

Just like this thread.

Insightful.

Maybe instead of commenting, hit report?

Making Luke enthusiastic to train Rey would require rewriting part of TFA. you would need different foreshadowing as to why he dissapeared.

Making Holdo a villain? No bad idea, a traitor is a nice idea. For a different movie with different theme.

Leia dying probably would have happened if Carrie Fisher's passing was planned. Right now just killing Luke was enough.

having luke genuinely fight on Ach-to would be a big betrayal of his character. Luke is at his strongest in the OT ,especially in RotJ when he doesn't fight.

Most of the ideas in this thread would require major changes to the film and worse yet TFA.

Most of the ideas in this thread would require major changes to the film

Its the only way to fix it as it is so badly broken IMO.

 Earth127 wrote:
Making Luke enthusiastic to train Rey would require rewriting part of TFA. you would need different foreshadowing as to why he dissapeared.

The existing film already needs this.

Luke says he wanted to disappear off the grid, doesn't want anything to do with the galaxy any more, but leaves a map to his location?
TFA needs to either scrap the map he left, or Luke needs to be rewritten in TLJ to actually have a reason he left the map.

Leia dying probably would have happened if Carrie Fisher's passing was planned. Right now just killing Luke was enough.

True, but retroactively speaking, it makes more sense to have her character gone in TLJ. Of course, this is without me knowing what the 9th film might offer in regards to this.

having luke genuinely fight on Ach-to would be a big betrayal of his character. Luke is at his strongest in the OT ,especially in RotJ when he doesn't fight.

Agreed. Luke saving the Rebellion RESISTANCE without actually fighting is brilliant.

I think is character could have been improved in TLJ, but him not actually being there was great.

Most of the ideas in this thread would require major changes to the film and worse yet TFA.

Unfortunately, the actual film itself requires lots of retroactive changes.
The First Order being so powerful and taking over the galaxy in seeming days.
Luke's map leading to him without him actually wanting to be found.
The Knights of Ren
Etc etc

Luke didn't leave the map. People just guessed he was at the original jedi temple and then needed a map to go there.


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Also Rian Johnson has gone on record saying he didn't want to change anything abou tthe last jedi out of respect for Carrie Fisher.

I do'nt usually aplaud of screen death but this is an exception. Especially with there being a time skip.

 Earth127 wrote:
Luke didn't leave the map. People just guessed he was at the original jedi temple and then needed a map to go there.

I don't think that was said at all in TFA.

They simply call it the map. At no point is it said Luke left it behind.

While the latest series could definitely be improved, its biggest flaw is in violating a simple movie tenet: Show, don't tell.

Star Wars uses the "what happened previously" shtick in the opening crawl, but we're not shown the rise of the Remnant, we're not shown Snoke corrupting Kylo, we're not shown the Knights of Ren destroying the temple, Luke running away, Han/Leia's breakup, or any number of other things that are probably more interesting than the contents of the movies we're actually shown.

TLJ should have been the 3rd movie - we need an entire movie to set up the events of TFA.

 Earth127 wrote:
They simply call it the map. At no point is it said Luke left it behind.

Luke gave it to Lor San Tekka. That's leaving it behind.

I missed the part where they said that. I thought he just had an old jedi map or it was an old keepsake

What would Ellen Ripley do

 Chillreaper wrote:
Seriously? $94 million raised? That has got to be a joke.

You DO NOT have to put financial or personal information in, just an email address and a pledge.

So no, not for real. No one has actually put up a penny yet probably.

There is nothing to "fix" about TLJ. It's not broken. It is fully what it was intended to be.

The real question is, how to fix the trilogy? Because TLJ did break that.

That's easy : The remnants of the Resistance are joined by an alliance of Ewoks and Gungans, and together they find the First Orders' newest, solar-system-sized superweapon.. Hijinks ensue, and the battle is won when a critical exhaust port becomes blocked by one of the Gungans' ears, causing the whole thing to explode, killing the entire First Order and bringing peace to the Galaxy at last.