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Not so much a complex rules question so much as it's a "im a noob, what am i doing wrong?". My buddy and I have been starting to get back into 40k after a decently long hiatus and after our game today I felt like my army might have been too strong so wanted to make sure i wasnt messing anything up or somehow managed to spend too many points. I used battlescribe to make the list so im fairly sure its all good, but just cant shake the feeling something is off about the army list. (Also i know some of the units may not be optimal but im trying out different things to feel my way through the rules and army to figure out what i like, more concerned with just making sure im not breaking rules)

As far as gameplay, i think everything seemed right, except i wanted to make sure i understand Masters of the Kakophoni, cause the wording feels slightly confusing. So when a noise marine dies, it can throw a grenade or fire a ranged weapon. So if the weapon is assault 3, or heavy d6 etc, do i get that many shots as i normally would? or do i just get a single shot regardless of what the type has listed?

So anyway, heres the list and the points that came up. please let me know if anything stands out as totally wrong rules wise. Thanks very much for the help.

Emperor's Children Legion 1750 points

HQ
Daemon Prince with 2 malefic talons and warp bolter - 159
Terminator Sorcerer with Force Stave and Combi-bolter - 130

Troops
10x Cultists, 8 autoguns, 1 shotgun on champ, 1 Heavy stubber - 44
10x Cultists, 9 auto pistol and brutal assault weapon, 1 Heavy Flamer - 49
10x Noise Marines, 8 with sonic blaster (including champ), 2 Blastmaster - 222
10x Noise Marines, 8 with sonic blaster (including champ), 2 Blastmaster - 222

Elite
5x Terminators with 2 lightning claws - 215
Helbrute, Fist with combi-bolter, power scourge - 157
Helbrute, Fist with combi-bolter, power scourge - 157

Heavy
Defiler, Havoc launcher, Reaper Autocannon - 166

Dedicated Transport
Chaos Rhino, extra combi-bolter - 74

Last 155 points set aside as reinforcements, at end of second movement phase rolled two dice with my daemon prince, got a 9, brought in a 20 strong daemonette unit with daemonic icon.

I think you mean music of the apocalypse rather than masters of kakophoni, this allows to shoot with one ranged weapon or grenade, so yes it would be 3 shots for assault 3 or whatever. Masters allows noise marines as troops.

Oh, yes, music of the apocalypse sorry. Was about to fall asleep and mok was the first ability I saw so I put it in

No, looks fine.
What was your friend playing? CSM are good atm, thanks to certain stratagems and overall solid rules aswell as some really nasty psychic powers.

The only tricky part is that if the Noise Marine dies in melee combat.

You can still shoot or toss grenades (if in melee, you can have more than one model toss a grenade) at full number of shots and at normal BS and other modifiers, just not at the unit you are engaged with. The rule lets you shoot normally even if the Noise Marine unit is within an inch of an enemy unit, but does not let you target a unit that is within an inch of your models.

 Draco765 wrote:
The only tricky part is that if the Noise Marine dies in melee combat.

You can still shoot or toss grenades (if in melee, you can have more than one model toss a grenade) at full number of shots and at normal BS and other modifiers, just not at the unit you are engaged with. The rule lets you shoot normally even if the Noise Marine unit is within an inch of an enemy unit, but does not let you target a unit that is within an inch of your models.

Are you sure? I was doing this too, until the faq told us about you can shoot pistols into the enemy unit in one inch, at the moment i just shooting pistols.

You cant throw grenades in melee.

Army list looks fine to me. I’m not a competitive player and I like the look of it, not spammy or cheesy.

 p5freak wrote:
You cant throw grenades in melee.

Well this part I know you are wrong on, seeing as the rule im asking about specifically says I can.

Dreygan wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
You cant throw grenades in melee.

Well this part I know you are wrong on, seeing as the rule im asking about specifically says I can.

It doesn't though. It gives you the option to throw the grenade, sure, but it doesn't let you ignore the rules for throwing a grenade. You still have to be >1" from an enemy and you can only target enemies not within 1" of a friendly unit. My mistake, it has an exception.

You could argue that CODEX > RULEBOOK applies, still the rule is terribly written.

Not Online!!! wrote:
You could argue that CODEX > RULEBOOK applies, still the rule is terribly written.

"Codex >Rulebook" has never been the case. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/520554.page#5505107

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
You could argue that CODEX > RULEBOOK applies, still the rule is terribly written.

"Codex >Rulebook" has never been the case. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/520554.page#5505107

Actually you are wrong, the codex states, at least the German one, that each time a model dies you can attack one last time with a ranged weapon or a grenade, even IF YOU ARE WITHIN 1 and afterwards the models gets removed normally"
P.135

Therefore the rule is permissive and grants him the ability to nade himself, even if he has not one 1" distance.

It specifically states you can shoot or throw grenade even it’s unit is with in 1” an enemy. It’s simple.

Yup, my own fault for not opening the book and going off memory. Noise Marines do indeed have an exception.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Yup, my own fault for not opening the book and going off memory. Noise Marines do indeed have an exception.

No one can be expected to know the precise detail of each rule, there are thousands. Wish they made nicer slaanesh models like the forge world kakophoni the heads on those are great.