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I've started a Scythes of the emperor SM force and was thinking of fielding them with the Deathwatch codex. I thought this would be quite appropriate when you look at their background which is basically being almost wiped out completely by the nids.

I would obviously paint them up as Scythes of the emperor with no Deathwatch iconography at all and use all the Deathwatch rules. How would you feel about playing a force like that? With normal vanilla marine primaris models (obviously with WYSIWYG) I just think it would be quite cool and fluffy and would go along with the theme of the remnant Scythes striking out quickly against xenos targets and then taking back after a precision strike.

If you were from Poland, I would say your one of the guys at my store. He build a scyth of emperor army with deathwatch rules. Only "special" stuff was adding scyth blades to his librerians and watch master. He also uses allied scouts, predators and now is in the process of painting a knight gallant.

IMO best thing you can do, if you like primaris models.

What are the best option to add to an Agressor Squad?

Karol wrote:
If you were from Poland, I would say your one of the guys at my store. He build a scyth of emperor army with deathwatch rules. Only "special" stuff was adding scyth blades to his librerians and watch master. He also uses allied scouts, predators and now is in the process of painting a knight gallant.

IMO best thing you can do, if you like primaris models.

Wow that sounds exactly like what I want to do!

You should paint them approriately tbh.

 Primark G wrote:
You should paint them approriately tbh.

Okay, I'll bite. Define 'appropriately'. As long as all the marines are from the DW codex, I don't see the problem.

Yeah I think it's totally fine to use them as whatever marines you want. Primaris are super easy to do this with because their options are the same throughout all codices. I've ran mine as marine marines of all flavors and no one has had an issue with it. I know some people here and at some stores will take issue, but even then I don't think they seriously expect you to go out and buy an entire new set of models then put all the time into painting and modeling them just to use a different ruleset with the exact same models.

As long as you keep things very clear and at least mostly WYISWYG most people won't have any issue with it at all. Go nuts man and have fun.

You would just have a force composed of Marines that returned from service to the Deathwatch.

I'm doing my Blood Ravens the same way. Lest about survival veterans though, and more about all that cool 'acquired' equipment. "My combi-melta? Fell off the back of a Rhino"

 Primark G wrote:
You should paint them approriately tbh.

He should, but he doesn't have to. Anyone saying he HAS to paint them as Deathwatch is an outright liar.


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Banville wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You should paint them approriately tbh.

Okay, I'll bite. Define 'appropriately'. As long as all the marines are from the DW codex, I don't see the problem.

There is no problem. You can paint your models however you want and use whatever rules you want.

 Primark G wrote:
You should paint them approriately tbh.

Sounds like OP is planning to paint them appropriately... A Sythes of the Emporer.

I said should. Flavor of the month - ugggh.

 Primark G wrote:
I said should. Flavor of the month - ugggh.

It is GWs fault. It is absurd how much better the DW are compared to the vanilla marines, especially if you want run a lot of Primaris marines

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You should paint them approriately tbh.

He should, but he doesn't have to. Anyone saying he HAS to paint them as Deathwatch is an outright liar.

He doesn't have to, but it might make life a bit easier for pickup games and tournaments if they are distinguishable as Deathwatch in some way, particularly if souping with marines of other flavours. A chap at my FLGS painted his DW in full chapter colours, not the black and silver DW scheme, but still gave them the DW shoulder pad to the make the distinction. IMHO, at the end of the day a marine is a marine is a marine, as long as there's a way to distinguish what rules apply to what marines there shouldn't be any issues anyway.

You shouldn't have any problems as long as any allied forces are distinguishable. If you're going with purely deathwatch forces then there shouldn't be any problems. If you do have other marines allied I'd suggest going with something like black legion colours for the allied detachment as it is similar enough to keep the army looking cohesive but distinct enough to be easily told apart. The only other potential problem would be if you're in a tournament setting and they're following the rules of if it's a canon chapter they need to use their chapters canon rules. In this case ultramarine rules as they're a successor of them.

IronBrand wrote:
You shouldn't have any problems as long as any allied forces are distinguishable. If you're going with purely deathwatch forces then there shouldn't be any problems. If you do have other marines allied I'd suggest going with something like black legion colours for the allied detachment as it is similar enough to keep the army looking cohesive but distinct enough to be easily told apart. The only other potential problem would be if you're in a tournament setting and they're following the rules of if it's a canon chapter they need to use their chapters canon rules. In this case ultramarine rules as they're a successor of them.

Yeah there is that, I'm not bothered about winning tournaments etc I just want to use primaris marines with the Scythes of the emperor scheme and have a project I can get excited about. The whole idea is to have the force painted up as 1st company Scythes full of marines who have survived the fall of Sotha augmented by primaris reinforcement. The 1st company will have access to the best weaponry in the chapter and will be well trained in fighting the xenos.

Future attachments and other units will be from the same chapter but will be from other companies allowing me to run them as vanilla marines.

Think I'm going to go for it, it excites me the idea of a thematic force with a cool codex.

 Primark G wrote:
I said should. Flavor of the month - ugggh.

Blame GW for writing a better Deathwatch book than SM book, and for writing canon non-Deathwatch Chapters founded at the behest of the Inquisition that would make perfect in-lore sense using Inquisitorial equipment (Exorcists, Red Hunters...).

You would technically be in breach of the official GW tourney rules, but even many GW stores don't enforce it and I can only think of one store that isn't a GW store that enforces it - ITC certainly doesn't, relying on a more common sense version of the rule.

*If* you want to be more fluff legit you could just add the DW shoulderpads. It is known that DW vets sometimes return to their chapter (like a certain Ultramarine Chaplain) and resume their original chapter colors when they do so. For some reason they keep the DW shoulderpad.

It's mentioned in the codex that many SM Chapters actually attempted to recall their marines after the Maletictum. Most were refused but it's possible one or two chapters got their way.


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phydaux wrote:
What are the best option to add to an Agressor Squad?

In DeathWatch? 5 Intercessors. Seriously they are point effective wound counters that deliver damage before they die. The worst thing about Agressors is they tend to be wiped out on the approach, but with an extra 10 wounds they often make it. Some people go 5 Intercessors, 4 aggressors and an Inceptor. The Inceptor lets them fall back and shoot, forcing the enemy to take overwatch again.