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I had revived my 40k hobby last year and I have been slowly painting models

I would like to get back into 40k and play both skirmish games and full tabletop, but my faction KDK (i did buy some daemons since KDK was the current khorne army when i went in store, even though originally i did world eaters and wanted to do them)

so my models now are:

1 lord on juggernaut
1 lord on foot with pfist and combi melta
12 berserkers
10 csm
5 wrathmongers as possessed
6 bloodcrushers
1 old metal dreadnought
1 helbrute
1 forge world blood slaughterer
1 predator
5 terminators
20 cultists

do i need to buy the current rulebook and codex to play? do i need FW book to field my blood slaughterer? or are there free rules and point values so i can make a list and head into a store to find a learning game

im slowly working my way to AoS and will probably deviate there sooner than later but i have a bunch of stuff in production/unpainted...

i think 24 or 36 need-to-be-repainted berserkers
1 land raider
5 raptors/claws
5 terminators
1 more blood slaughterer (great looking model)
3 bikers

i would prefer to field only my fully painted models, but does anyone know about how many points of a decent list i can put together with them, can i play a world eaters army or do i need to do some CSM/daemon hybrid

R525 wrote:
I had revived my 40k hobby last year and I have been slowly painting models

I would like to get back into 40k and play both skirmish games and full tabletop, but my faction KDK (i did buy some daemons since KDK was the current khorne army when i went in store, even though originally i did world eaters and wanted to do them)

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do i need to buy the current rulebook and codex to play? do i need FW book to field my blood slaughterer? or are there free rules and point values so i can make a list and head into a store to find a learning game

im slowly working my way to AoS and will probably deviate there sooner than later but i have a bunch of stuff in production/unpainted...

<snip>

i would prefer to field only my fully painted models, but does anyone know about how many points of a decent list i can put together with them, can i play a world eaters army or do i need to do some CSM/daemon hybrid

So looking at your army, I have some good news and some bad news.

Firstly, the bad news. While all those models do exist and have rules, they're split over a total of four different books - the majority of the army is in Codex: Chaos Space Marines, but the Lord on Juggernaut is only in Index: Chaos, the Bloodcrushers are most recently in Codex: Chaos Daemons, and the Blood Slaughterer is in one of the Forge World books (I don't know which).

The good news is that the basic rules and all applicable FAQs are available for free download from the Games Workshop and Warhammer Community sites (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40000-Rules and https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/) and that, with a little representation (if allowed by your playgroup), the entire army can be built using rules from Codex:Chaos Space Marines - in which case, it'll also even fit into a Battallion detachment (not that I'd recommend worrying about that until you have a few games under your belt).

Unfortunately, you will need to buy the Codex to play, but it's not nearly as bad as some people will try to tell you. Alternatively, if you are able to find a copy of Index: Chaos from a friend or a cheap copy online, that also has all the rules for non-Forge World models - it's not quite as up to date and is missing a few things, but it does have enough rules to learn to play and it's all in a single book.

I would personally suggest using the Codex and (with your opponents' permission) treating the Juggerlord as a Daemon Prince, the Bloodcrushers as Chaos Spawn, and the Blood Slaughterer as a Maulerfiend. That would put your army somewhere in the region of 1750-2000 points, depending on exact loadout, which is more than large enough to get started.

Adding in the rest of the models on the way will put your total well above 2000 and possibly above 2500, which is plenty enough for even big games.

Hey well that is definitely good and bad, one thing is I plan to get some maulerfiends once what I have is fully painted, and I got the slaughterer to use as one; I play pretty casual so I'd want an opponent who let FW in games. No bloodcrushers definitely puts things in a weird spot and while I appreciate the suggestion not too keen on the counts as, wanted to get some proper spawn eventually too. I'd probably shelve those units for an eventual KDK return or as daemon allies? Can I run a CSM detachment with a detachment or daemons? It's a shame I put a lot of work into those!

It sounds like I need to buy a codex and find the other rules online... I wonder if they'll release a KDK codex... maybe I will keep painting and hold off on playing until then


Does a mixed squad of csm and berserkers fit anywhere into killteams ?


I could play smaller matches maybe 1000 points but I wonder what good HQ options are !? Kharn maybe !!!!!!

I wouldn't hold your breath on a KDK Codex. There has been no mention of it since 8th dropped from GW.

R525 wrote:
I had revived my 40k hobby last year and I have been slowly painting models

I would like to get back into 40k and play both skirmish games and full tabletop, but my faction KDK (i did buy some daemons since KDK was the current khorne army when i went in store, even though originally i did world eaters and wanted to do them)

so my models now are:

1 lord on juggernaut
1 lord on foot with pfist and combi melta
12 berserkers
10 csm
5 wrathmongers as possessed
6 bloodcrushers
1 old metal dreadnought
1 helbrute
1 forge world blood slaughterer
1 predator
5 terminators
20 cultists

do i need to buy the current rulebook and codex to play? do i need FW book to field my blood slaughterer? or are there free rules and point values so i can make a list and head into a store to find a learning game

im slowly working my way to AoS and will probably deviate there sooner than later but i have a bunch of stuff in production/unpainted...

i think 24 or 36 need-to-be-repainted berserkers
1 land raider
5 raptors/claws
5 terminators
1 more blood slaughterer (great looking model)
3 bikers

i would prefer to field only my fully painted models, but does anyone know about how many points of a decent list i can put together with them, can i play a world eaters army or do i need to do some CSM/daemon hybrid

Play 7th one book. Khorne Deamonkin and your done. Most people still have 7th edition books. 7th works beautifully without formations. As they are intended for over 2000 points and originally introduced in apocalyps games.

Don't even bother with 8th you won't like it. Ignore the fanboyism. Seriously if you're an older player you're not going to like the streamlined for dummies feel.

The Allfather wrote:
Don't even bother with 8th you won't like it. Ignore the fanboyism. Seriously if you're an older player you're not going to like the streamlined for dummies feel.

I've been doing 40k for 20+ years, and 8th is superior to 7th in literally every single respect. Even the bad parts of 8th are superior to the best of 7th.

 alextroy wrote:
I wouldn't hold your breath on a KDK Codex. There has been no mention of it since 8th dropped from GW.

That's too bad, especially because when I first got back into it I wanted to go my original route which was a fully CSM, khorne army (no daemons) which was at the time and originally somewhat unique because even the older codecs, the factions got their demons


I can see why they may want to leave the blood tithes off the table but it was a cool force to assemble. If only I had more time and patience to build a new army of custodes!

You can play your army in 8th using the Khorne keyword. With that you can take all of your units together. It will work for casual play, but you'd miss a lot of flavorful (and helpful) rules - World Eaters Legion rules, Khorne Daemon rules, relics, warlord traits and stratagems.
In order to get these you'll have to take the Daemons in their own detachment. I'm not familiar with the blood slaughterer, if he has the [Legion] keyword you'd only have to take the Blood crushers in an auxiliary detachment and can play everything else as World Eaters and get access to their relics, warlord traits and stratagems and the ability to reroll your charge distance.
I'd suggest to get a Daemon HQ and some Blood letters, that way you could play the Daemons in a patrol detachment, which is much more useful than an auxiliary.

You won't need to buy the index just for that juggernaut-lord, simply take a look at Battlescribe. If you don't want to expand on Daemons the same can be said for the crushers.

Btw. it's a nice fluffy army you have there.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
Don't even bother with 8th you won't like it. Ignore the fanboyism. Seriously if you're an older player you're not going to like the streamlined for dummies feel.

I've been doing 40k for 20+ years, and 8th is superior to 7th in literally every single respect. Even the bad parts of 8th are superior to the best of 7th.

In your opinion. There's thousands of people that don't like it.

Just like 3.5 D&D alot of people dropped out at 4th edition and still play 3.5

Just because other people don't like 8th doesn't mean that you're being personally attacked.

And in my humble opinion no it's inferior in every way to 4th 5th and 7th.

7th works beautifully if you're not using formations. 7th edition works if you're not explicitly exploiting the rules.

Not everyone enjoys streamlined/ less tactics for ease of play.

And it's entirely okay to not enjoy 8th edition , or have strong dislike of the system that's radically different from 3 previous editions, that specifically aims at lowering the required skill to entry. Something I do not like at all, for many many reasons. As have many people here have echoed regardless if you legatimize thier argument or not.

The Allfather wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
Don't even bother with 8th you won't like it. Ignore the fanboyism. Seriously if you're an older player you're not going to like the streamlined for dummies feel.

I've been doing 40k for 20+ years, and 8th is superior to 7th in literally every single respect. Even the bad parts of 8th are superior to the best of 7th.

In your opinion. There's thousands of people that don't like it.

If that was all older players like you claim then it would be a lot more than that.

Was making a well reasoned argument about the differences so difficult that you thought you'd just tell the guy that he won't like it?

Also, 7th was an utter dumpster fire with quite possibly the worst balance and the fewest viable builds ever (thanks to detachment bonuses and to the vehicle damage table changes making most anti tank weapons useless). If you don't like the direction that 8th took I have no idea why you'd play 7th unless it's the only other edition that you've played. At least play 5th or 3rd. Or even 2nd if you really must.

The army would look like this:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [93 PL, 1550pts] ++

Legion: World Eaters

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, ]: Combi-melta, Mark of Khorne, Power fist

Chaos Lord on Juggernaut of Khorne [7 PL,]: Bladed horn on Juggernaut of Khorne, Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [6 PL,]: 19x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Khorne
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Space Marines [5 PL]: 4x Marine w/ Boltgun, Mark of Khorne
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines [5 PL,]: 4x Marine w/ Boltgun, Mark of Khorne
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Khorne Berzerkers [13 PL,]: 11x Chainsword and bolt pistol, Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators [14 PL,]: Icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne
. Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe

Helbrute [7 PL, ]: Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne, Multi-melta

Helbrute [7 PL, : Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne, Multi-melta

Possessed [6 PL, ]: Mark of Khorne, 5x Possessed

+ Fast Attack +

Blood Slaughterer of Khorne [9 PL,]: Impaler harpoon

Chaos Predator [9 PL, ]: Mark of Khorne, Predator autocannon

++ Auxiliary Support Detachment -1CP (Chaos - Daemons) [15 PL,] ++


Chaos Allegiance: Khorne

+ Elites +

Bloodcrushers [15 PL,: 5x Bloodcrusher, Bloodhunter

++ Total: [108 PL, 1832pts] ++

 Scott-S6 wrote:

The Allfather wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
Don't even bother with 8th you won't like it. Ignore the fanboyism. Seriously if you're an older player you're not going to like the streamlined for dummies feel.

I've been doing 40k for 20+ years, and 8th is superior to 7th in literally every single respect. Even the bad parts of 8th are superior to the best of 7th.

In your opinion. There's thousands of people that don't like it.

If that was all older players like you claim then it would be a lot more than that.

Was making a well reasoned argument about the differences so difficult that you thought you'd just tell the guy that he won't like it?

Also, 7th was an utter dumpster fire with quite possibly the worst balance and the fewest viable builds ever (thanks to detachment bonuses and to the vehicle damage table changes making most anti tank weapons useless). If you don't like the direction that 8th took I have no idea why you'd play 7th unless it's the only other edition that you've played. At least play 5th or 3rd. Or even 2nd if you really must.

7th isn't a dumpster fire. It's well balanced when you don't exploit the rules. But I also like 5th and 4th. However 7th edition has rules for the majority of units available. Where as 5tb doesn't.

I've heard this argument over and over and I've never encountered one unbalanced game in 7th edition. Not one. With the exception of skyhammer.

Everything my friends and thousands of others have seen of 8 makes the game look awful to us personally.

And I stand by my statement you won't like 8th. Especially if you stated to play around 3rd and 4th.

If you like 8th that's great for you. But loads of people don't and we don't play it, and will not recommended the dumpster fire that's 8th.

Never mind the lore or Primaris marines, it's it's own. Dumpster fire.


And to conclude the OP has a list that fits and works beautifully for 7th. As a Khorne Deamonkin army.


And just like the dumpster fire that's 4th and 5th edition D&D our gaming group likewise plays older editions. It's funny every time an IP goes inclusive for mainstream people .. it always always always ends up not being enjoyable to me personally and the majority of my friends. Who aren't trying to be inclusive, instead we're interested in souly the content and quality of the IP. 8th edition 40k is like the force awakens a terrible movie. Yet majority like it. The same majority that follows trends, that ignored fantasy and sci Fi until he of thrones came out.

I've played every edition and 8th is absolutely better than 7th.

As for "it's balanced if you don't exploit the rules", that is just you admitting that it's not balanced. Every game is balanced if you only pick forces that are balanced against each other and ignore the rest. It's hardly an endorsement.

That's got to be the biggest leap of mental gymnastics I have seen for quite some time. If the rules allow you to do broken stuff, then the rules are broken.

The Allfather wrote:

7th isn't a dumpster fire. It's well balanced when you don't exploit the rules. But I also like 5th and 4th. However 7th edition has rules for the majority of units available. Where as 5tb doesn't.

I've heard this argument over and over and I've never encountered one unbalanced game in 7th edition. Not one. With the exception of skyhammer.

If the OP took his army against, say, an Eldar Wraithhost list in 7th edition, he'd be neutered turn one and tabled turn two.

The Allfather wrote:
But loads of people don't and we don't play it, and will not recommended the dumpster fire that's 8th.

Okay, thanks for your opinion. However, a lot of people do prefer 8th and / or don't have the option of playing older editions, and this thread is specifically about advice about getting back into the hobby which generally refers to the current edition, so if you don't have anything constructive to say on that topic, there's no need to continue pushing your point further. There are more than enough edition war threads around without highjacking this one.

OP: I get you don't want to use representation as far as possible; I was merely suggesting an option to use the models with only a single Codex while you're getting back into it. The other models do have rules and are legal, I was just trying to save you some money!

The simplest is to take the Bloodcrushers in the same army as everything else. That can be done by taking your army as a Khorne army, but it has a few drawbacks once you start getting into advanced rules such as Stratagems. There are two other options for using them as Bloodcrushers (without getting more models):

You can take them in an Auxiliary Support Detachment, as suggested by Sgt Cortez - that allows you to take a single unit from one Codex and add it on to another army which is in the same overall faction (Chaos) even though it's not the same specific faction (World Eaters) without it affecting the advanced rules I mention above. The drawback is that it costs 1 Command Point, but having Stratagems available makes it worthwhile.

The other is that Chaos characters can summon Daemons mid-game. It has a few drawbacks - the biggest being that it requires the character not to move in your Movement phase and that it's not 100% likely to work. I haven't done the maths, but I think it's around 85%, maybe a bit higher, to get 3 on any given turn, and around 10% to get all 6, though you can enhance that with stratagems.

The Khorne Lord on Juggernaut wasn't printed in the Codex, but does have rules in Index: Chaos, and absolutely can be taken in a World Eaters army without issue. I believe the same is true for the Blood Slaughterer, but again, I don't use FW so I'm not sure.

I don't recall the OP asking for the virtues of 8th vs 7th...
Another thread derailed and killed by the Dakka community!
Good job guys! *thumbs up*






Idiots

I would recommend getting the Codex: Chaos Space Marines so you have like 95% of your stuff covered and build your lists using Battle Scribe, which will give you the needed rules for your Daemon and FW units. Armywise I would put together a World Eaters Detachment and summon the Bloodcrushers in, as they want to deep strike anyway.

ValentineGames wrote:
I don't recall the OP asking for the virtues of 8th vs 7th...
Another thread derailed and killed by the Dakka community!
Good job guys! *thumbs up*






Idiots

OP never has to ask about the virtues and violations between 7th and 8th; those are simply going to get stated in any "returning player" discussions and some "why did they change x to y in 8th?" Threads.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
I've played every edition and 8th is absolutely better than 7th.

As for "it's balanced if you don't exploit the rules", that is just you admitting that it's not balanced. Every game is balanced if you only pick forces that are balanced against each other and ignore the rest. It's hardly an endorsement.

And 8th edition isn't balanced either when people exploite the rules. Ask tau players how they're doing
doing.

So you were saying?



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Aelyn wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
But loads of people don't and we don't play it, and will not recommended the dumpster fire that's 8th.

Okay, thanks for your opinion. However, a lot of people do prefer 8th and / or don't have the option of playing older editions, and this thread is specifically about advice about getting back into the hobby which generally refers to the current edition, so if you don't have anything constructive to say on that topic, there's no need to continue pushing your point further. There are more than enough edition war threads around without highjacking this one.

OP: I get you don't want to use representation as far as possible; I was merely suggesting an option to use the models with only a single Codex while you're getting back into it. The other models do have rules and are legal, I was just trying to save you some money!

The simplest is to take the Bloodcrushers in the same army as everything else. That can be done by taking your army as a Khorne army, but it has a few drawbacks once you start getting into advanced rules such as Stratagems. There are two other options for using them as Bloodcrushers (without getting more models):

You can take them in an Auxiliary Support Detachment, as suggested by Sgt Cortez - that allows you to take a single unit from one Codex and add it on to another army which is in the same overall faction (Chaos) even though it's not the same specific faction (World Eaters) without it affecting the advanced rules I mention above. The drawback is that it costs 1 Command Point, but having Stratagems available makes it worthwhile.

The other is that Chaos characters can summon Daemons mid-game. It has a few drawbacks - the biggest being that it requires the character not to move in your Movement phase and that it's not 100% likely to work. I haven't done the maths, but I think it's around 85%, maybe a bit higher, to get 3 on any given turn, and around 10% to get all 6, though you can enhance that with stratagems.

The Khorne Lord on Juggernaut wasn't printed in the Codex, but does have rules in Index: Chaos, and absolutely can be taken in a World Eaters army without issue. I believe the same is true for the Blood Slaughterer, but again, I don't use FW so I'm not sure.

And 7th Edition is still part of the hobby as is older editions So I don't see how your argument is valid or hijacks the thread. There's nothing wrong with playing older editions or even not recommending any version of a game. I won't recommend 6th edition or 2nd or first. What's your argument exactly why is it more valid than mine when both fall under opinion and personal taste.

You should have basic respect for people that still contribute to GW but play older editions, instead of universally trying to shut them up when they espouse dislike of a radical change to the game they have grown up with.

If I feel that the OP will like 7th more than 8th than that's what I feel.

Anyways I'm dropping this I don't feel like being battered by the "Nut mah 8th edition" crowd..

And for the record being balanced does not make it a good game. And all versions of 40k have the same issue, power gamers ruin it for everyone else.

The Allfather wrote:
And 7th Edition is still part of the hobby as is older editions So I don't see how your argument is valid or hijacks the thread. There's nothing wrong with playing older editions or even not recommending any version of a game. I won't recommend 6th edition or 2nd or first. What's your argument exactly why is it more valid than mine when both fall under opinion and personal taste.

The point is that for a lot of people out there, older editions simply aren't a part of the hobby - at best, just part of its history. When talking about a game which has gone a fairly recent update without mentioning historic versions, the default position is to assume this is referring to the most recent version, plus the OP specifically refers to getting new rules in his first post, so it's clear that he's talking about returning in the context of 8th. So we've been offering advice in that context.

In addition, you are the one who started the argument about editions, without providing any meaningful criticism of 8th beyond "it's been dumbed down" without explanation. You've also been most vocal arguing about them (as well as insulting those who like it, compared to those of us who have not actually levied a personal insult at all this thread) so yes, you did hijack the thread for an edition war.

The Allfather wrote:
You should have basic respect for people that still contribute to GW but play older editions, instead of universally trying to shut them up when they espouse dislike of a radical change to the game they have grown up with.

Okay, this is just rude. What have I said which has been disrespectful? And what do you mean by universally trying to shut people who like older editions up - when have we ever interacted with regards to editions before this thread? For that matter, when have I ever tried to shout down someone who prefers older editions?

I don't like people insinuating that I have deliberately belittled them or misrepresenting my actions.

The Allfather wrote:
If I feel that the OP will like 7th more than 8th than that's what I feel.

Which is fine, but do you need to clog up the thread making the same point repeatedly rather than trying to actually move the conversation forward?

Aelyn wrote:

The Allfather wrote:
And 7th Edition is still part of the hobby as is older editions So I don't see how your argument is valid or hijacks the thread. There's nothing wrong with playing older editions or even not recommending any version of a game. I won't recommend 6th edition or 2nd or first. What's your argument exactly why is it more valid than mine when both fall under opinion and personal taste.

The point is that for a lot of people out there, older editions simply aren't a part of the hobby - at best, just part of its history. When talking about a game which has gone a fairly recent update without mentioning historic versions, the default position is to assume this is referring to the most recent version, plus the OP specifically refers to getting new rules in his first post, so it's clear that he's talking about returning in the context of 8th. So we've been offering advice in that context.

In addition, you are the one who started the argument about editions, without providing any meaningful criticism of 8th beyond "it's been dumbed down" without explanation. You've also been most vocal arguing about them (as well as insulting those who like it, compared to those of us who have not actually levied a personal insult at all this thread) so yes, you did hijack the thread for an edition war.

The Allfather wrote:
You should have basic respect for people that still contribute to GW but play older editions, instead of universally trying to shut them up when they espouse dislike of a radical change to the game they have grown up with.

Okay, this is just rude. What have I said which has been disrespectful? And what do you mean by universally trying to shut people who like older editions up - when have we ever interacted with regards to editions before this thread? For that matter, when have I ever tried to shout down someone who prefers older editions?

I don't like people insinuating that I have deliberately belittled them or misrepresenting my actions.

The Allfather wrote:
If I feel that the OP will like 7th more than 8th than that's what I feel.

Which is fine, but do you need to clog up the thread making the same point repeatedly rather than trying to actually move the conversation forward?

Whatever you want to believe. Bud

Your entire post was disrespectful.

I was referring to the plethora of posts from people on multiple forums that have be shot down by fanboyism. For disliking radical changes to a game system they grew up with. It's further insulting and dismissive to thousands maybe hundreds of thousands that dislike the latest edition. You specifically are ignorantly ignoring the simple fact that just because people don't agree with your points of view and there's quite a few. That somehow they are trolling and hijacking threads, is utter malarkey.
Unilaterally deciding that others views are invalid, with no real evidence is bellitling. And insulting. If you rather have a mature civilized discussion than I'd be able to respect your points. Or least respond with tact. But not if you're not going to communicate respectfully what's the point.

Rude? Pot meet kettle.

Now as I said I'm done with talking about this.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
The army would look like this:

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Chaos Space Marines) [93 PL, 1550pts] ++

Legion: World Eaters

+ HQ +

Chaos Lord [5 PL, ]: Combi-melta, Mark of Khorne, Power fist

Chaos Lord on Juggernaut of Khorne [7 PL,]: Bladed horn on Juggernaut of Khorne, Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Troops +

Chaos Cultists [6 PL,]: 19x Chaos Cultist w/ Autogun, Mark of Khorne
. Cultist Champion: Autogun

Chaos Space Marines [5 PL]: 4x Marine w/ Boltgun, Mark of Khorne
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Chaos Space Marines [5 PL,]: 4x Marine w/ Boltgun, Mark of Khorne
. Aspiring Champion: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Khorne Berzerkers [13 PL,]: 11x Chainsword and bolt pistol, Icon of Wrath
. Berzerker Champion: Bolt pistol, Chainsword

+ Elites +

Chaos Terminators [14 PL,]: Icon of Wrath, Mark of Khorne
. Chaos Terminator Champion: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe
. Terminator: Combi-bolter, Power axe

Helbrute [7 PL, ]: Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne, Multi-melta

Helbrute [7 PL, : Helbrute fist, Mark of Khorne, Multi-melta

Possessed [6 PL, ]: Mark of Khorne, 5x Possessed

+ Fast Attack +

Blood Slaughterer of Khorne [9 PL,]: Impaler harpoon

Chaos Predator [9 PL, ]: Mark of Khorne, Predator autocannon

++ Auxiliary Support Detachment -1CP (Chaos - Daemons) [15 PL,] ++


Chaos Allegiance: Khorne

+ Elites +

Bloodcrushers [15 PL,: 5x Bloodcrusher, Bloodhunter

++ Total: [108 PL, 1832pts] ++

Thank you for the reply I greatly appreciate it

This is not a thread for comparing 7th edition to 8th edition, and I've had to delete a few off-topic posts arguing about this.

The OP asked for what books he would need, along with help making an army list.

Please return to the topic, everyone, and make a new thread if you want to compare editions of 40k.