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It seems weird that all the characters, especially human and tau are still alive in kicking, obviously high ranking Imperial officers and generals will have rejuvenate treatments, but I think this is going unnoticed by GW, I don't think they have to get rid of a lot of characters but they need to address it somehow.

A lot of that time will have been spent in Warp transit, especially with the Great Rift making travel very, very difficult. I imagine that would've probably reduced the actual ageing versus time passing in real space a great deal.

The Tau are a plot hole though, however I expect "suddenly the Tau found a way to increase their life spans in that time, we just never mentioned it before" to pop up.

 Arbitrator wrote:
A lot of that time will have been spent in Warp transit, especially with the Great Rift making travel very, very difficult. I imagine that would've probably reduced the actual ageing versus time passing in real space a great deal.

The Tau are a plot hole though, however I expect "suddenly the Tau found a way to increase their life spans in that time, we just never mentioned it before" to pop up.

That's not how the warp works, they can come out a thousand years older or younger. Time isn't just slower in the warp.

What is weirder is the fact we get extremely pitiful lore about it. Come on, I want a new book series exploring the battles fought during the Indomitus Crusade.

bibotot wrote:
What is weirder is the fact we get extremely pitiful lore about it. Come on, I want a new book series exploring the battles fought during the Indomitus Crusade.

That will most likely be coming. They have to coincide with the codex's at the moment so I don't see them releasing a series on it until all the codex's are released.

Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

keep in mind the warp well.. warps time and space, and we've got a LOT of that flowing into real space right now, yes for GULLIMAN over a century ahd passed since he began the Indomatus crusade. for the Blood angels however it had been a week.

phillv85 wrote:
Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

If their deaths haven't been written then they are obviously alive DERP...

 Arbitrator wrote:
A lot of that time will have been spent in Warp transit, especially with the Great Rift making travel very, very difficult. I imagine that would've probably reduced the actual ageing versus time passing in real space a great deal.

The Tau are a plot hole though, however I expect "suddenly the Tau found a way to increase their life spans in that time, we just never mentioned it before" to pop up.

Gods, forbid, Tau get some new unique characters that aren't "generic tank commander."

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

If their deaths haven't been written then they are obviously alive DERP...

By that logic, every character who has ever been mentioned, no matter when they were alive in 40K's timeline, is effectively an immortal unless they're explicitly killed off.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

If their deaths haven't been written then they are obviously alive DERP...

You have a bad attitude, that was a genuine question, I don't the answer. As Lord Damocles said then, they all must still be alive by your logic, or more likely, writing a book on a frail old retired Astra Militarum dying in peace of old age just doesn't make a very good story?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

If their deaths haven't been written then they are obviously alive DERP...

By that logic, every character who has ever been mentioned, no matter when they were alive in 40K's timeline, is effectively an immortal unless they're explicitly killed off.

Before the Indomitus crusade the timeline had never really moved in any significant way, now it has: ergo it needs to be mentioned.


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phillv85 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
Which characters that should have died of age are explicitly said to be alive? (I've not read much of the post split universe).

If their deaths haven't been written then they are obviously alive DERP...

You have a bad attitude, that was a genuine question, I don't the answer. As Lord Damocles said then, they all must still be alive by your logic, or more likely, writing a book on a frail old retired Astra Militarum dying in peace of old age just doesn't make a very good story?

Sorry I thought you were being an ass with that comment. I take back the DERP

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
[Before the Indomitus crusade the timeline had never really moved in any significant way, now it has: ergo it needs to be mentioned.

Yeah it had.

Before the Indomitus Crusade there had been literally dozens of novels set ten thousand years before the 'present day' (Horus Heresy). There were hundreds of timeline snippets, background snippets, novels, short stories, in-universe historical documents etc. spanning those thousands of years (White Dwarf, Battlefleet Gothic, almost every Codex etc. etc.). Until relatively recently the timeline was advancing steadily along with real time. There were even novels set in the 'future' (ie. post-999.M41) (Commissar Cain, Cadian Blood).


Is every character mentioned in the Heresy series and not explicitly killed off still alive..?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
[Before the Indomitus crusade the timeline had never really moved in any significant way, now it has: ergo it needs to be mentioned.

Yeah it had.

Before the Indomitus Crusade there had been literally dozens of novels set ten thousand years before the 'present day' (Horus Heresy). There were hundreds of timeline snippets, background snippets, novels, short stories, in-universe historical documents etc. spanning those thousands of years (White Dwarf, Battlefleet Gothic, almost every Codex etc. etc.). Until relatively recently the timeline was advancing steadily along with real time. There were even novels set in the 'future' (ie. post-999.M41) (Commissar Cain, Cadian Blood).


Is every character mentioned in the Heresy series and not explicitly killed off still alive..?

No its all president in the 41st millennium, cite the actually time changes in your argument, all you have said is that its changed. The Horus Heresy hasn't come to its end (novel wise) and it only lasted 7 years so obviously yes. Commissar Yarrick started in 941. M41 lol He's been around for most of the game, so how exactly has the timeline change so much?

The only characters that should be dead from old age are Shadowsun and Sgt Harker. Everyone else has the technology, biology, or sorcery to still be alive.

And Shadowsun goes into stasis between battles.

So it's one total man across the whole game that should be dead from old age. Hardly something to be concerned about.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
The only characters that should be dead from old age are Shadowsun and Sgt Harker. Everyone else has the technology, biology, or sorcery to still be alive.

And Shadowsun goes into stasis between battles.

So it's one total man across the whole game that should be dead from old age. Hardly something to be concerned about.

I already pointed that out, Many characters are already so old that they can't have many more rejuvenate treatments, the only humans that have lived thousands of years are Malcador and the Mechanicus tech-priests etc.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
The only characters that should be dead from old age are Shadowsun and Sgt Harker. Everyone else has the technology, biology, or sorcery to still be alive.

And Shadowsun goes into stasis between battles.

So it's one total man across the whole game that should be dead from old age. Hardly something to be concerned about.

I suppose its not impossible for Straken to call in some favors to have an exceptional soldier like Harker be given some treatments.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
The only characters that should be dead from old age are Shadowsun and Sgt Harker. Everyone else has the technology, biology, or sorcery to still be alive.

And Shadowsun goes into stasis between battles.

So it's one total man across the whole game that should be dead from old age. Hardly something to be concerned about.

I suppose its not impossible for Straken to call in some favors to have an exceptional soldier like Harker be given some treatments.

Plus like I said in the original comment, I'm not seeking for them to be killed off, just that GW address the subject, like have them go rejuvenate treatments.

except it's already been addressed. the time flows differantly for differant people, for some it's been 70 years for other 7 days, and likely for others even longer

BrianDavion wrote:
except it's already been addressed. the time flows differantly for differant people, for some it's been 70 years for other 7 days, and likely for others even longer

They aren't always in the warp, they can span years to even decades in some wars and the warp isn't an explanation at all, they could be far into the future the warp doesn't just slow down time. Most times the get in and out of the warp without that much of a time change.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

I already pointed that out, Many characters are already so old that they can't have many more rejuvenate treatments, the only humans that have lived thousands of years are Malcador and the Mechanicus tech-priests etc.

None of the "humans" in modern times have lived thousands of years. They'd be maybe in their 300s. That's certainly old, but not out of existing canonicty of ages of privileged humans.

Also, there's no limit on rejuvenate treatments. They can keep someone alive indefinitely.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

I already pointed that out, Many characters are already so old that they can't have many more rejuvenate treatments, the only humans that have lived thousands of years are Malcador and the Mechanicus tech-priests etc.

None of the "humans" in modern times have lived thousands of years. They'd be maybe in their 300s. That's certainly old, but not out of existing canonicty of ages of privileged humans.

Also, there's no limit on rejuvenate treatments. They can keep someone alive indefinitely.

There absolutely is a limit, the lore states that it is among centuries that they can keep them going not millennium's. "At that point the subject becomes more vulnerable to infections and organ failure. After 400 standard years of life few human beings within the Imperium can survive without mechanical assistance."

1. Quoting something requires a source.
2. None of the currently alive humans are 400 years old.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
1. Quoting something requires a source.
2. None of the currently alive humans are 400 years old.

The source is on the wiki page. They are 200+ years old. and that's just as long as the indomitus crusade is, more time has lapsed since the 41st and the Indomitus crusade. And the point still stands, that GW hasn't even touched on rejuvanant treatments even though Yarrick is now close to 300 years old.

Yarrick is old, and has no doubt got bionics

I if you've seen his model he has like 3 teeth in his mouth

Rybrook wrote:
Yarrick is old, and has no doubt got bionics

I if you've seen his model he has like 3 teeth in his mouth

"has no doubt got bionics", yeah weaponized ones and his eye, we know nothing of any other bionics. Yarrick has only just become old in the lore, before the crusade he was average human aged. That you are assuming that he does just proves that this subject hasn't been touched on. Either you'd like to know or you aren't interested in it, that's the only valid arguments to the subject.

Tau make regular use of stasis. It's mentioned that is how most people pass through their new wormhole. The Tau's limited lifespan has always bothered me. They are a technologically progressive people and their lifespan should increase as science, medicine, and technology increase. They could easily get around the aging problems of their heroes by just saying that Tau gained the technology to download a mind onto a computer after Farsight left and can upload to a new clone body. They already had moved kind of in this direction with the puretide engrams. Farsight can continue to be kept alive by the dawn blade.

Skaorn wrote:
Tau make regular use of stasis. It's mentioned that is how most people pass through their new wormhole. The Tau's limited lifespan has always bothered me. They are a technologically progressive people and their lifespan should increase as science, medicine, and technology increase. They could easily get around the aging problems of their heroes by just saying that Tau gained the technology to download a mind onto a computer after Farsight left and can upload to a new clone body. They already had moved kind of in this direction with the puretide engrams. Farsight can continue to be kept alive by the dawn blade.

Well the Tau are the only race I know virtually nothing about so I'll concede to that.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
except it's already been addressed. the time flows differantly for differant people, for some it's been 70 years for other 7 days, and likely for others even longer

They aren't always in the warp, they can span years to even decades in some wars and the warp isn't an explanation at all, they could be far into the future the warp doesn't just slow down time. Most times the get in and out of the warp without that much of a time change.

I trhink you misunderstood me. when the great rift formed the warp leaked into everything, and during that moment time was absolutely BORKED for a time. for some worlds it was weeks, for others, months, for some YEARS. There is a reason why the 8th edition codexes have abandoned dates. GW's telling us effectively that "a concise timeline is proably FUTILE now"

Tau ... wormhole?