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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel






Green Iz BEST! – A semi-comprehensive analyse of The Orks Green History

Everyone knows Green Iz BEST! It’s what makes uz ork players different from those pink and soft Oomans! However, what if I was to tell you that Orks are no longer green? What if everything you have known for the last 4-5 years was a lie? What if Games Workshop has been slowly phasing out Green Orks? It’s an interesting question that this short essay of mine hopes to answer by examining the evidence found on Games Workshops very own webstore and proving that modern day orks are more like a banana than a mushroom! However, before this analyse on a subject nobody cares about begins, I would like to make it clear that I have not analysed every single Ork model ever released by GW for 40k. Moreover, I selected a handful of the newer models and compared them against a handful of the older models. Furthermore, I would also like to note that lighting in every picture probably changed and the quality of cameras and paints have also likely changed over the years so this may affect some of the analyse. Nevertheless, I believe I have taken a large enough sample from the range to make a semi-amateur-comprehensive analyse of the colour Orks have been painted over the last 20 years. In addition, all my samples were taken from the face of the Orks in about the same area to make the analyse as fair and even as possible.

The Ork vs The Orc: how the sculpts of the Green-skin range varies from Fantasy to 40K

Before I begin to prove that Orks have now become nothing more than angry lemons, I feel the need to explain how this subject came about and discuss to you the difference and similarities between the Fantasy Orcs and the 40k Orks. Over on the Orks rumour thread we have been doing everything but discussing rumours, frankly because GW have been avoiding Orks like they’re a failed parent who doesn’t want to be reminded of that every day when they look at their child – basically we have nothing to talk about rumour wise. However, recently, a subject has come up that grabbed my interest. Why do people believe the IronJawz Orcs to be less Orky than the 40k Orks? Moreover, they seem to believe there is a fundamental difference between the Age of Sigmar Fantasy Orcs and the 40k Orks that lays in the sculpts themselves that has slowly seeped its way into 40k through Flash Gitz, Big Mek, and the plastic Warboss. Firstly, while the idea that the sculpts are different is true - a quick analysis of the Orc vs Ork shows how the Orcs seem to have a more rounded sculpt with more emphasis on the mouth while the 40k Ork is more ridged and pointy with more emphasis on the Muscle cheeks (see Fig 1) - there is, in my mind, not enough difference when they’re both grey for me to notice anything huge from a distance (this is why you might see the Orcs being used in 40k with little to no complaints). Secondly, the latest 40k sculpts (Flash Gitz, Mek, War boss) all maintain the same box-like sculpt the older range of 40k Orks had (see Fig 2), illustrating how the Orc range is actually moving away from the 40k more angular look (rather than the reverse). Finally, the new range of 40k Orks are older than the Age of Sigmar/Fantasy Ironjawz Orcs with the newer 40k Ork sculpts coming out in June-July 2014 and the Orcs coming out in 2016, demonstrating how, if anything, the Orcs would likely to have been inspired by 40k Orks, not the other way around. Therefore, we can conclude that 40k Orks are not slowly transforming into Fantasy Orcs when it come to the physical sculpts.

Ironjawz? More like Cabbagejawz!

Nevertheless, something does seem a little off when it comes to the more modern 40k Ork range that makes them seem just a little bit different in comparison to the older Ork Range. Moving briefly back to the Ork Rumour thread, one of the users (he knows who he is) said that they call the Ironjawz Warboss a cabbage. Moreover, this conclusion, that the Orcs in fantasy look like a cabbage, got me thinking and I began to analyse the colours of each of the Orcs in the Ironjaws range using the images found from GW’s store. To my surprise, furthermore, the Orcs themselves are not green! They’re yellow with the illusion of green skin (see Fig 3 for the colour wheel and the range of colours I found). Consequently, I started to analyse the Ork range from the oldest models that are still on sale (again using the images on the webstore) and found them to be the opposite of the colour spectrum. The Wartrakk, for example, is a model that comes from the 1990s itself and, when you analyse the colour of the rider’s face, it’s as you might expect, a beautiful Apple Orky Green (see Fig 4). Next, I moved quickly onto two more figures I believed came from the old range – The Metal DeffKopta and the Old £6 plastic Boyz kit – and again found them to be the same range of Apple Green. Therefore, the reason why I and other people might see the Fantasy Orcs as different might be based primarily on the green vibrant Orks compared to the newer yellow Fantasy Orcs. However, I thought to myself, “the old Fantasy Orcs must have been green!” and sure enough, after just looking through the older range, the old Fantasy Orcs were a deeper green if not only a little more yellow.

They tricked us, and we didn’t even know it!

Next, I moved my analysis onto the later pre-2014 releases from the Ork range. Moreover, I examined the old Finecast Warboss, the Finecast Kommandos and the newer Plastic Orks Boyz. Likewise, I got a similar conclusion with the Warboss and Kommandos staying in the same range of green (see Fig 5). However, what came to me as a shock is the newer Boyz kit. When I analysed it, furthermore, I noticed that, on average, it just slightly nudged itself more towards the yellow spectrum (see Fig 6). The Boyz analysis is when it clicked! I quickly dragged up the images for the new post 2014 Orks and suddenly found something horrific! At some point between 2002 and 2014 the painters at Games Workshop had made all our official promotional image of Orks yellow! (see Fig 7 for examples of the models and the primary colour used). Even without a colour wheel, moreover, it’s clear out Orks are becoming less green in the eyes of GW! Therefore, our Orks are becoming less Orky! We have become more Imperial Fist than Fire Happy Salamanders!

Finally, I analysed my own Warboss in comparison to the official GW image. I always considered my Warboss to be as Orky as they come and to my surprise he 100% is confirmed to be greener and, thus, more Orky than anything GW has pushed out as of late (see Fig 8).

Conclusion – What does this mean?

The conclusion to this analysis is a tricky one as I now must explore what this means to us, as the Ork players, that officially our Orks are now yellow. Well, to be honest, it doesn’t mean anything. Well, at least doesn’t mean anything to me who just used this topic as an excuse to write something funny as well as keep my creative juices flowing because I haven’t done a project like this in months. However, if you were one of those people who wanted to look for some hidden meaning and conclusion from this you could argue that:

” Games Workshop have so little understanding of Orks that they can’t even get their colour correct. The change has symbolically turned them from a vibrant interesting unique characterful race with tons of backstory and interesting stories into bland cabbage grim dark bad guys who new players find hard to distinguish from the likes of any other Xenos threat in the galaxy. The Washing out of their colourful greens has caused them to become just as bland as most Modern fantasy Orcs and resulted in them blending into the background of the Table top genre.”


Nevertheless, my analysis is done by an amateur who just used the pen tool in a free program to find the colours of the Orks so it’s probably super off! Anyway, discuss and argue below as you please, will be funny to see what you guys think.

Figure Index:

Fig 1:
Spoiler:


Fig 2:
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Fig 3:
Spoiler:

Easy To Build: Ironjawz Ironskull’s Boyz




Megaboss



Fig 4:
Spoiler:

Wartrakk



£6 Ork Boyz



Metal DeffKopta







Fig 5:
Spoiler:
Ork Finecast Warboss



Kommandos





Fig 6:
Spoiler:

New Ork Boyz




Fig 7:
Spoiler:

Ork Mek



Ork Big Mek



Ork Meganobz



Ork Plastic Warboss:




Fig 8:
Spoiler:

GW Warboss



My Warboss


   
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain




Vigo. Spain.

First of all:
Thats a very nicely painted warboss

Second:

Do you wan't to talk about skin changing colours?

Well, look what they did with my interesting, ash-skinned ogres

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to

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Now they are just fat, pink humans.

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Futher proof GW is fooling us all! Keep the evidence comming!

And thank you for the compliment on my warboss. He likes to ride his wagon and watching things explode. :3

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United States

OI LADZ!! TIME TA ROUND UP AW DA WEEDY YELLA AND BROWN SKINDED ORKZ AND 'AVE OUSELVEZ A KLEANSE OF ALL DA INFEARYA GITZ WUT WE DUN NEED IN ORK KULTURE


...wait

Edit; on second thought, maybe that was a bit dark...Grimdark

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I am the kinda ork that takes his own washing machine apart, puts new bearings in it, then puts it back together, and it still works. 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





Why this whole post is GIGO as you say in computer jargon - let's put aside differences between paints in batches differing by a decade, painters (just look at Duncan's and Peachy's Idoneth - same paints, same studio, same direction, painted at the same time, two very different paint jobs), and all that stuff. Let's assume these models are painted by one guy using same colors.

First, there is issue of light. Old models almost certainly would be lit with strong bulbs. These, by their very nature, output strongly yellow/orange light. Which, coincidentally, makes green more vibrant. Oops. New models would be lit with LEDs, outputting stark white light, making the models look more washed out than they really are. Oops again.

Second, the sensor. The old pictures were made with analog camera, then scanned. Not only this is extra step that would change look, but even ignoring that, you have difference between analog and digital sensor - something that can drastically change look. In fact, even digital vs digital can drastically change look, all you need is slightly updated sensor, different settings, or even calibration of it. There is a reason you have specialized gear to calibrate both monitors and cameras, including very expensive (and durable) samples of 'true' colors to match them with. That 2014 change? Could be something as simple as GW photographer getting new gear.

Third, these photos are worthless for such comparisons anyway. They have way too little colors - note your pick selects color right at the edge of RGB range. That means what we see in the picture is not true color, it's the closest approximation for what the color range could save. 'Real' color might be drastically different, and you wouldn't even know it.

Fourth, forget all of the above, all you need to change colors a lot is where the photographer put the model in the box. Look at your own image:

Spoiler:


What do we see here? Compare bottom left ork with bottom right one. These were almost certainly speed painted in batch using the exact same stuff by one guy. Yet, the green of the right one is much darker. Ditto with say top left ork with spiky pauldron - compare him to the top right of him and tell me with straight face these are the same color, when in reality, probably the only difference is that one was farther from light source and thus a bit darker...
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Dear GW - please give us some ORK news soon. If you don't I seriously worry for the safety and sanity of some of the most loyal ork followers such as lolman1c,

Remember Ork followers/fans/fanatics are not like those from Sisters of Battle. They lack the regimented discipline and cold harsh reality of the world as indoctrinated into them by the Will of his Most Holy the Emperor of Man and his servants in the Imperium.

Instead the Ork is impulsive, energetic, uncontrolled and, above all, Xeno madness. To leave these orks without a shred of info or a glimmer of hope in these confusing times is leading them to circles of madness that might never end! Or could end with the impact of a localised WAAAARGH.







Ps on the subject of cameras GW has a very professional setup (They've even got a Hassy!) though if we get into calibration. Yeah that's a nightmare - esp if the users own computer screens are not calibrated (hint most home PC screens are not well calibrated for colour accuracy and are more made to be bright and super vibrant)

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Nasty Nob





United States

 Irbis wrote:
Spoiler:
Why this whole post is GIGO as you say in computer jargon - let's put aside differences between paints in batches differing by a decade, painters (just look at Duncan's and Peachy's Idoneth - same paints, same studio, same direction, painted at the same time, two very different paint jobs), and all that stuff. Let's assume these models are painted by one guy using same colors.

First, there is issue of light. Old models almost certainly would be lit with strong bulbs. These, by their very nature, output strongly yellow/orange light. Which, coincidentally, makes green more vibrant. Oops. New models would be lit with LEDs, outputting stark white light, making the models look more washed out than they really are. Oops again.

Second, the sensor. The old pictures were made with analog camera, then scanned. Not only this is extra step that would change look, but even ignoring that, you have difference between analog and digital sensor - something that can drastically change look. In fact, even digital vs digital can drastically change look, all you need is slightly updated sensor, different settings, or even calibration of it. There is a reason you have specialized gear to calibrate both monitors and cameras, including very expensive (and durable) samples of 'true' colors to match them with. That 2014 change? Could be something as simple as GW photographer getting new gear.

Third, these photos are worthless for such comparisons anyway. They have way too little colors - note your pick selects color right at the edge of RGB range. That means what we see in the picture is not true color, it's the closest approximation for what the color range could save. 'Real' color might be drastically different, and you wouldn't even know it.

Fourth, forget all of the above, all you need to change colors a lot is where the photographer put the model in the box. Look at your own image:

[spoiler]

[/spoiler]
What do we see here? Compare bottom left ork with bottom right one. These were almost certainly speed painted in batch using the exact same stuff by one guy. Yet, the green of the right one is much darker. Ditto with say top left ork with spiky pauldron - compare him to the top right of him and tell me with straight face these are the same color, when in reality, probably the only difference is that one was farther from light source and thus a bit darker...


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I am the kinda ork that takes his own washing machine apart, puts new bearings in it, then puts it back together, and it still works. 
   
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Orks are supposed to get darker with age, not lighter.... Now, personally I prefer the lighter shade of green but still, fluff is fluff! Nobz and Warbosses are supposed to be a dark green, with Gretchen being the lighter shade.
   
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United States

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