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Made in us
Adolescent Youth with Potential




So im pretty new to 8th and this is my first army list,
I'm pretty set on my custodes list as I've most of the models already,
But wanting a 2nd detachment to give me some more ranged options and anti-tank
I do like the Admec stuff but i'm open to suggestions about what 2nd detachment to have, army, and how to shave the points down to 2k (or up to 2.5k)

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [84 PL, 1686pts] ++

+ HQ [19 PL, 414pts] +

Captain-General Trajann Valoris [10 PL, 250pts]

Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]

+ Elites [20 PL, 396pts] +

Custodian Wardens [10 PL, 195pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 65pts]: Guardian Spear [12pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 65pts]: Guardian Spear [12pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 65pts]: Guardian Spear [12pts], Misericordia [4pts]

Custodian Wardens [10 PL, 201pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 67pts]: Castellan Axe [14pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 67pts]: Castellan Axe [14pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Warden [4 PL, 67pts]: Castellan Axe [14pts], Misericordia [4pts]

+ Fast Attack [45 PL, 876pts] +

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 282pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 282pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]

Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 312pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 109pts]: Misericordia [4pts], Salvo Launcher [25pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 109pts]: Misericordia [4pts], Salvo Launcher [25pts]
. Vertus Praetor [5 PL, 94pts]: Hurricane Bolter [10pts], Misericordia [4pts]

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Mechanicus) [44 PL, 591pts] ++

+ Uncategorised +

Forge World: Mars

+ HQ [16 PL, 287pts] +

Belisarius Cawl [13 PL, 240pts]

Tech-Priest Enginseer [3 PL, 47pts]: Omnissian Axe, Servo-arm [12pts]

+ Troops [21 PL, 159pts] +

Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 53pts]: Omnispex [7pts]
. Ranger (Arc Rifle) [11pts]: Arc rifle [4pts]
. Ranger Alpha [7pts]: Galvanic rifle
. 4x Skitarii Ranger [28pts]

Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 53pts]: Omnispex [7pts]
. Ranger (Arc Rifle) [11pts]: Arc rifle [4pts]
. Ranger Alpha [7pts]: Galvanic rifle
. 4x Skitarii Ranger [28pts]

Skitarii Rangers [7 PL, 53pts]: Omnispex [7pts]
. Ranger (Arc Rifle) [11pts]: Arc rifle [4pts]
. Ranger Alpha [7pts]: Galvanic rifle
. 4x Skitarii Ranger [28pts]

+ Heavy Support [7 PL, 145pts] +

Onager Dunecrawler [7 PL, 145pts]: Cognis heavy stubber [5pts]
. Neutron laser & cognis heavy Stubber [50pts]: Cognis heavy stubber [5pts], Neutron Laser [45pts]

++ Total: [128 PL, 2277pts] ++

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Lord of the Fleet






London

If you want to shave points down you could swap the Wardens for regular Custodians. Also do you need Valoris in there? If you wanted to keep the Wardens I would drop Valoris for a Jetbike Captain, and then use FtGLTC to DS the Wardens.

Additionally, I'm not really seeing what you're gaining from Cawl. His re-roll aura is very nice but you're spending 240 points to get the re-roll on 15 guys and a walker.

   
Made in us
Adolescent Youth with Potential




Additionally, I'm not really seeing what you're gaining from Cawl. His re-roll aura is very nice but you're spending 240 points to get the re-roll on 15 guys and a walker.


Tbh i'm pretty sold on valoris,
But I get what you mean about CAWL, I think I might drop him,

Do you think there will be enough fire power from the ADmec stuff?
   
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Lord of the Fleet






London

Bdoydie wrote:
Additionally, I'm not really seeing what you're gaining from Cawl. His re-roll aura is very nice but you're spending 240 points to get the re-roll on 15 guys and a walker.


Tbh i'm pretty sold on valoris,
But I get what you mean about CAWL, I think I might drop him,

Do you think there will be enough fire power from the ADmec stuff?


Honestly, not enough. You have a nice bit of sniper firepower. I've always sworn by Neutron Lasers on my Onagers, but found that you need 2 at least to get the most out of them. Kastellan Robots on the other hand will be very handy.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
Bdoydie wrote:
Additionally, I'm not really seeing what you're gaining from Cawl. His re-roll aura is very nice but you're spending 240 points to get the re-roll on 15 guys and a walker.


Tbh i'm pretty sold on valoris,
But I get what you mean about CAWL, I think I might drop him,

Do you think there will be enough fire power from the ADmec stuff?


Honestly, not enough. You have a nice bit of sniper firepower. I've always sworn by Neutron Lasers on my Onagers, but found that you need 2 at least to get the most out of them. Kastellan Robots on the other hand will be very handy.



Thanks for the advise I will look into some Kastellan Robots then
   
Made in gb
Lord of the Fleet






London

Bdoydie wrote:
 Valkyrie wrote:
Bdoydie wrote:
Additionally, I'm not really seeing what you're gaining from Cawl. His re-roll aura is very nice but you're spending 240 points to get the re-roll on 15 guys and a walker.


Tbh i'm pretty sold on valoris,
But I get what you mean about CAWL, I think I might drop him,

Do you think there will be enough fire power from the ADmec stuff?


Honestly, not enough. You have a nice bit of sniper firepower. I've always sworn by Neutron Lasers on my Onagers, but found that you need 2 at least to get the most out of them. Kastellan Robots on the other hand will be very handy.



Thanks for the advise I will look into some Kastellan Robots then


Proxy them first, see how they go before you commit to buying anything.

Take them with 3x Phosphor Blasters, use Binary Override (saves you 42 points instead of taking a Datasmith), park them with a Dominus for re-rolling 1's, and as a finale use Wrath of Mars.

You now have a T7 unit pumping out 36 S6 Ap-2 shots that do an additional Mortal on a 6 to wound.

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You need roughly 700 points of BS3 shooting for Cawl to be more worthwhile than a Dominus. Proportionally more if it is BS2, less if it is BS4. 5x Kastelan Robots is your best bet.

Rangers are a tax that just so happens to be most efficient when you take them as a barebones MSU.

Single Crawlers take a significant durability hit. Bring two or none at all.

My advice: Cut some Custodes, add more Kastelans. A popular mix is a Guard CP battery, AdMech Kastelans, and Custodes on bikes.
   
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Twisting Tzeentch Horror






So my advice would be to:

Drop valoris for another shield captain on bike, but if your sold on him then that's fine.

Try and keep the bike squads balanced. This means there is no obvious target. (So 3 salvo launchers, 1 in each)

Drop the wardens entirely. They are far too slow, and even if you use FGLTC they only come t2 (and then most of the time fail to charge, or only charge chaff) they are also far less punchy than the bikes.

Then stock up on more admech. Take another dunecrawler, and get robots. They are extremely good and benefit from cawl massively, but you may already have enough anti horde with the hurricane bolters. Still a strong choice.

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