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Question came up in a recent game I had, the following is Arkos the faithless' wording of his infiltrator rule:

'During Deployment, Lord Arkos can be set up anywhere on the battlefield that is not within your opponents deployment zone and is more than 12" from any enemy unit'

So Arkos is unique in that unlike scouts/nurglings etc... he can deploy right up against your opponents deployment zone rather than the usuao 9" away.

My question on this is say for example I get to deploy the first unit and choose to deploy Arkos next to my opponents deployment zone lets say 1" away, can my opponent still deploy anywhere in his deployment zone even if he ends up 1" away from Arkos?
This is definitely true for scouts/nurglings who have to deploy 9" away from enemy models but is there any rule that states normal units must be 9" away?
   
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Nihilistic Necron Lord






Germany

He can deploy anywhere in his own deployment zone, unless the mission, or the unit being deployed, says something about a certain distance away from enemy models.
   
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Dakka Veteran




Depending on the positioning of Arkos your opponent would be allowed to deploy their models within 1" of him (Arkos would of course need to be within 1" of your opponents deployment zone for this to happen)
   
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Norn Queen






Yes, that is possible to happen. GW as usual didn't write the rules properly so it's unclear as to what would happen.
   
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yes that all makes sense and thats how we have been playing him, thanks for replying!

I know its been discussed quite a bit everywhere but has there been any conclusion on the 'faithless' 'alpha legion' thing for his aura?
Can you play as 'the faithless' and choose the alpha legion trait so everyone can benefit from his +1 to charge aura?

Was anything made clearer in that faq that made him both 'alpha legion' and 'the faithless' rather than either/or? I cant find any reason for it.
   
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Norn Queen






Errata changed it to only be THE FAITHLESS. He can't be ALPHA LEGION anymore.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Errata changed it to only be THE FAITHLESS. He can't be ALPHA LEGION anymore.


I don't see that anywhere? here is the wording on the faq:

Page 41 – Lord Arkos, Faction Keywords
Change this datasheet’s Faction Keywords line to read:
‘Chaos, Heretic Astartes, Alpha Legion,
The Faithless’
   
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Norn Queen






Yeah you're right, my mistake. I blame a lack of sleep and senility. He has both keywords, so it doesn't matter if you make your detachment ALPHA LEGION or THE FAITHLESS. My official opinion is to make the detachment ALPHA LEGION so you can take the "I am Alpharius" WLT. If you make them THE FAITHLESS you can choose what Legion Trait you want, but can't get Alpha Legion relics or WLT. However making the Detachment ALPHA LEGION means you lose out on his aura, so it's all a balancing act.

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Yeah you're right, my mistake. I blame a lack of sleep and senility. He has both keywords, so it doesn't matter if you make your detachment ALPHA LEGION or THE FAITHLESS. My official opinion is to make the detachment ALPHA LEGION so you can take the "I am Alpharius" WLT. If you make them THE FAITHLESS you can choose what Legion Trait you want, but can't get Alpha Legion relics or WLT.


Awesome thank you!
   
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Confessor Of Sins





Tacoma, WA, USA

What makes you think THE FAITHLESS is a <LEGION>? The model is ALPHA LEGION so can’t possibly be a different LEGION.
   
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Norn Queen






 alextroy wrote:
What makes you think THE FAITHLESS is a <LEGION>? The model is ALPHA LEGION so can’t possibly be a different LEGION.
All that matters is that it's a faction keyword. You can choose THE FAITHLESS for your <LEGION> if you want.

That being said, the Special Snowflake DC FAQ forbids his THE FAITHLESS working with LEGION: THE FAITHLESS, I had a lapse of judgement!

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
 alextroy wrote:
What makes you think THE FAITHLESS is a <LEGION>? The model is ALPHA LEGION so can’t possibly be a different LEGION.
All that matters is that it's a faction keyword. You can choose THE FAITHLESS for your <LEGION> if you want.

That being said, the Special Snowflake DC FAQ forbids his THE FAITHLESS working with LEGION: THE FAITHLESS, I had a lapse of judgement!


Can I ask what is the DC FAQ and to what rule are you referring?
   
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Norn Queen






The Designers Commentary https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/warhammer_40000_designers_commentary_en-1.pdf

and this question
Q: If I create an Astra Militarum
Regiment of my own and name them,
for example, the ‘Emperor’s Finest’, and
I then also create an Adeptus Astartes
Chapter of my own choosing, and also
call them the ‘Emperor’s Finest’, do the
abilities that work on the <Regiment>
and/or <Chapter> keywords now work
on both the Astra Militarum and Adeptus
Astartes units?
A: No.
The intent of naming Regiments, Chapters,
etc. of your own creation is to personalise
your collections and not to enable players to
circumvent the restrictions on what abilities
affect what units. It is also not intended to
circumvent the restrictions on which units are
able to be included in the same Detachment
   
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Which of course , only tells you that you can't name a custom faction to circumvent faction rules. As the Faithless are a chaos warband, nothing is being circumvented.

DFTT 
   
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Dark Angels Neophyte Undergoing Surgeries




Omaha, NE

I'm new to looking at Alpha Legion, where do I get the data sheet for Lord Arkos? I'm traveling with work right now, but have Siege of Vraks at the house which will have the 7th edition rules... don't see an update for 8th but maybe i'm having a series of brain farts.
thanks

Kernbanks
definitely not a monogamer, you got it I'll play it. 
   
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Norn Queen






Forgworld Chaos Index
   
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Omaha, NE

Thanks...

Kernbanks
definitely not a monogamer, you got it I'll play it. 
   
 
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