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Imagine if you could build a unit with whatever statline, guns and keywords possible and then try to point cost it accordingly. What would be the ultimate unit in 8th ed?

My idea would be infantry with fly keyword (obviously) that is spammable, some dakka and no cc.
It would have m12, ws6+, bs3+, 1a, s1, t4, 1w, 5+sv, ld8 and a storm bolter. Probably worth about 8 pts. No points wasted in cc ability or too much durability, just cheap, fast, shooty space monkeys flying around being annoying. Maybe they can take like 2 meltaguns per squad just to make them threatening to more targets

Msu seems best so it would probably be a 7 man squad or something

So, Corsairs, but min/maxxed for shooting? And super cheap?

Vespid, but not terrible?


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(Corsairs with jetpacks and have standard Elf A, S, WS, and T, but cost a lot more points, and cost 1CP per unit. Otherwise, exactly what you described.)

Grey Knight purifers are the epitome of the perfect unit.

Bharring wrote:
So, Corsairs, but min/maxxed for shooting? And super cheap?

Vespid, but not terrible?


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(Corsairs with jetpacks and have standard Elf A, S, WS, and T, but cost a lot more points, and cost 1CP per unit. Otherwise, exactly what you described.)

Vespids are GREAT this edition.

Perfect at what? Being overpowered? I'd make a unit with a statline of all 1s, with the following 3 special rules:

"Unreality: Enemy units suffer -7 to rolls to hit this unit. Furthermore, any misses, or hits from weapons that hit automatically, instead inflict 3d3 Mortal Wounds on the attacking unit. Every Mortal Wound the enemy inflicts to this unit is instead allocated to the enemy unit that inflicted it."

"Vigilant Guardian: Any attacks made by enemy units that target friendly units within 240" of this unit must instead choose this unit as a target."

"Taunt: Enemy units that can attack any friendly unit with either a ranged or melee weapon must do so."

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Perfect at what? Being overpowered? I'd make a unit with a statline of all 1s, with the following 3 special rules:

"Unreality: Enemy units suffer -7 to rolls to hit this unit. Furthermore, any misses, or hits from weapons that hit automatically, instead inflict 3d3 Mortal Wounds on the attacking unit. Every Mortal Wound the enemy inflicts to this unit is instead allocated to the enemy unit that inflicted it."

"Vigilant Guardian: Any attacks made by enemy units that target friendly units within 240" of this unit must instead choose this unit as a target."

"Taunt: Enemy units that can attack any friendly unit with either a ranged or melee weapon must do so."

I think the OP's idea is to create the best unit where the point cost is a fair reflection of its stats and abilities. Hence giving it awful stats in the things that it doesn't need (CC in this case) in order to make it as points-efficient as possible.

1 pt, 8" move, all other stats 1's no armor, but infinite morale. No attacks, no gun. Just gets in the way.

 Smotejob wrote:
Grey Knight purifers are the epitome of the perfect unit.

Aight well at least the obligatory marine/grey knights are bad mmkay complaint is out of the way, we can now have a thread.

I guess the perfect unit would be 1 point, infinite wounds, infinite strength, toughness, etc, with a single attack with infinite range and ignores LOS that causes infinite mortal wounds to the target unit, but only rolls a single die so you can actually make the attack.

How about a fast moving melee unit with some low strength shooting thrown in?

Maybe M14" with a tough statline like T6, 7W, 2+/3++/5++. Then have it do a modest amount of attacks on the charge, let's say 5, but make them hit on a 2+, be S6 and re-roll to hit and wound at AP-3 Dd3. Then give it some shooting by strapping 6 bolters to the front. On top of all that, make it a character so it can't be targeted and make it obsec.

Something like that at around ~180pts would be pretty good I think.

You're asking to optimize the points-per-stats equations vs how OP their output would be.

Doing so requires knowing those equations.

Everything else is just a proxy for what the poster imagines those equations to be.

BS/WS/Sv 1+ with 99 in every other stat. For 4pmm

Nonsense question. The ideal unit, in 8th or in any other edition, is one where the point cost is too cheap for its power. By requiring accurate point costs the premise of the OP is "if you made a bad unit what rules would everyone ignore because they never take it?". If you want the ultimate unit just lower the point cost on anything sufficiently, it doesn't really matter what its rules are as long as the point cost is too cheap.

Leman Russ Conqueror with a co-axial stubber for longer range and the fly keyword. Oh and give it a 5++.

12pt Space Marine

I'd take a melee unit [CCW+Pistol, maybe Inferno Pistols], with a lot of low-mid attacks, that can move really fast and reliably expect to make charges on the first turn without 1/army/turn special abilities.

So Death Company, basically, but with Forlorn Charge baked in [or even better, the ability to use Acts of Faith]

Melee is technically stronger than shooting, and it locks out the opponent from shooting [for the most part], the problem is that you have to get to the thing you want to kill to kill it, which is a major drawback.

The perfect 40k unit:

Strength 3, Toughness 3, BS4+, 5+ Save. Equipped with a 24" rapid fire 1 strength 3, AP- gun. They also get special rules, we'll call them FancyArmy tactics, and can receive "Commands" from HQ/Elite units capable of issuing commands. They would cost 4 points per model, and fill a troops slot. You could bring them in squads of 9 with a heavy weapon that counts as a separate unit for scoring purposes so they don't reward a reaper point.

 Marmatag wrote:
The perfect 40k unit:

Strength 3, Toughness 3, BS4+, 5+ Save. Equipped with a 24" rapid fire 1 strength 3, AP- gun. They also get special rules, we'll call them FancyArmy tactics, and can receive "Commands" from HQ/Elite units capable of issuing commands. They would cost 4 points per model, and fill a troops slot. You could bring them in squads of 9 with a heavy weapon that counts as a separate unit for scoring purposes so they don't reward a reaper point.

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

How about S3, T3, BS5+, WS5+, Sv 5+, Equipped with a Lasgun, Leadership 5 but only takes one loss to morale a turn as long as they're near a leader, and 3ppm.

How close would something like Custodes bikes be?

Fast, tough, armed to the teeth, shooty, and great in close combat. I don't know what their points cost is, but they're tough to argue with.

 Elbows wrote:
How close would something like Custodes bikes be?

Fast, tough, armed to the teeth, shooty, and great in close combat. I don't know what their points cost is, but they're tough to argue with.

see Misterhappyface's comment


Guard with a jet pack for 1 more point would be pretty awesome

The perfect unit is Ork, cuz we always da best at every ding.

19 posts in and no dick jokes. SAD.

Custodes

 Crimson Devil wrote:
19 posts in and no dick jokes. SAD.

Well to be fair, there's been a few references to the flying banana that is currently giving 8th ed a good seeing to.

Perect Unit:

Reroll to hit, to wound

+2 to all saves

-4 AP weapons

Denies the witch on a 2

Generates 2D6 attacks

+2 Armour Save, +2 Inv Save

and that would be Batman.