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Imperialists do the darndest things.

Discovery S5

First two episodes are up. And it’s, fine. As a sci-fo it’s pretty solid. But in terms of Trek, still a bit too much of a departure for me, tech wise. I particularly don’t like the floaty nacelle and transform-a-ship gubbins.

Ug. Of all the things to bump the thread for it was just Discovery.

 AduroT wrote:
Ug. Of all the things to bump the thread for it was just Discovery.

Indeed. I'm not angry, just disappointed.

Hopefully Lower Decks S5 comes to our streaming screens this summer. Don't know if we've gotten an official release date yet.

I hope it comes back to Amazon!

 LordofHats wrote:
Hopefully Lower Decks S5 comes to our streaming screens this summer. Don't know if we've gotten an official release date yet.

I’m hoping Lower Decks is deleted from reality entirely.

Crap animation. Low rent voice acting. Scripts from the floor sweepings of Voyager, which itself was scripted by the floor sweeping of the TNG script writers room.

I utterly loathe Lower Decks. Especially the animation, where even stage school brats wouldn’t recognise the emotions it’s meant to convey.

Disco S4 (the one I couldn’t stomach) might be Bloody Awful. But at least those involve have some kind of emotional range. And some sod has put in something approaching effort.

Whilst I'm not a fan of the animation style - I still think Lower Decks is the most ST thing we've had in a very very long time.

At least classic style Trek close to TNG/Original series style (not your DS9 level).


Picard series 1-3 was great, but a distinctly different flavour of Trek, more reminiscent of an evolution of DS9 style Trek.

The only modern Trek even remotely as good as Lower Decks is Strange New Worlds.

So apparently season four of Orville is happening. No word on where or when.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m hoping Lower Decks is deleted from reality entirely.

Crap animation. Low rent voice acting. Scripts from the floor sweepings of Voyager, which itself was scripted by the floor sweeping of the TNG script writers room.

I utterly loathe Lower Decks. Especially the animation, where even stage school brats wouldn’t recognise the emotions it’s meant to convey.

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And yet the vast majority of Star Trek fans and critics like Lower Decks more than STD. It must really chap your tushy that as much as you hate LD it is still a more beloved and anticipated series than that dumpster fire.

 AduroT wrote:
So apparently season four of Orville is happening. No word on where or when.

I have to say in general I've never really liked anything Seth makes. However clips of Orville and the fact that its gone from basically a full on joke spoof into something that honestly embodies a lot of classic Trek themes it strikes me as crazy that the "spoof" series is actually turning out to be much more classic Trek than what the Trek creators can make these days.

The first two seasons of Orville are Great. They have some really good and abundant humor, but it’s Not Family Guy, and we also get really great “Star Trek” kind of stories and stuff. Season three after they left Fox isn’t Bad, but it’s not as good. Way less humor, some episodes downright depressing. The season premiere is 90 minutes on suicide. I’m hoping season four is closer in two to the first two, but I’d still watch another season like three because it still had good stories in there.

 Overread wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
So apparently season four of Orville is happening. No word on where or when.

I have to say in general I've never really liked anything Seth makes. However clips of Orville and the fact that its gone from basically a full on joke spoof into something that honestly embodies a lot of classic Trek themes it strikes me as crazy that the "spoof" series is actually turning out to be much more classic Trek than what the Trek creators can make these days.

I don't think he ever intended for it to be a spoof but got the studio believe that he was in order to get it produced. "I'm Seth McFarlane all I do is make wacky comedies and I want to make a Star Trek show" to which they assumed this would also be a wacky comedy, but they were ,all of them, deceived, for a more considered show was planned.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m hoping Lower Decks is deleted from reality entirely.

Crap animation. Low rent voice acting. Scripts from the floor sweepings of Voyager, which itself was scripted by the floor sweeping of the TNG script writers room.

I utterly loathe Lower Decks. Especially the animation, where even stage school brats wouldn’t recognise the emotions it’s meant to convey.

'

And yet the vast majority of Star Trek fans and critics like Lower Decks more than STD. It must really chap your tushy that as much as you hate LD it is still a more beloved and anticipated series than that dumpster fire.

Nah, to each their own.

For I am privy to an ancient Media Art. A technique utterly unknown to Mary Whitehouse, Moral Majority, One Million Moms Well We Say One Million We Actually Mean A Few And By Moms It’s More By Way Of Grumpy Middle Aged Men With Seemingly Nothing To Better To Do.

That secret, Dear Dakkanaut? Not watching stuff I don’t like or find objectionable. For I…seemingly alone….I know the location of The Button What Changes The Channel Or Otherwise Let’s Me Change What I’m Watching, So If I’m Not Enjoying It I Can Pick Something Else Instead.

 AduroT wrote:
So apparently season four of Orville is happening. No word on where or when.

Oh wow. Thought for sure it was done.


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 AduroT wrote:
The first two seasons of Orville are Great. They have some really good and abundant humor, but it’s Not Family Guy, and we also get really great “Star Trek” kind of stories and stuff. Season three after they left Fox isn’t Bad, but it’s not as good. Way less humor, some episodes downright depressing. The season premiere is 90 minutes on suicide. I’m hoping season four is closer in two to the first two, but I’d still watch another season like three because it still had good stories in there.

To each his own I guess like MDG is saying. Hard disagree with him on Lower Decks and I think Orville's S3 is the best by far. The first 2 seasons are just prep for season 3 which fully realizes all of its ongoing storylines.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m hoping Lower Decks is deleted from reality entirely.

Crap animation. Low rent voice acting. Scripts from the floor sweepings of Voyager, which itself was scripted by the floor sweeping of the TNG script writers room.

I utterly loathe Lower Decks. Especially the animation, where even stage school brats wouldn’t recognise the emotions it’s meant to convey.

'

And yet the vast majority of Star Trek fans and critics like Lower Decks more than STD. It must really chap your tushy that as much as you hate LD it is still a more beloved and anticipated series than that dumpster fire.

Nah, to each their own.

For I am privy to an ancient Media Art. A technique utterly unknown to Mary Whitehouse, Moral Majority, One Million Moms Well We Say One Million We Actually Mean A Few And By Moms It’s More By Way Of Grumpy Middle Aged Men With Seemingly Nothing To Better To Do.

That secret, Dear Dakkanaut? Not watching stuff I don’t like or find objectionable. For I…seemingly alone….I know the location of The Button What Changes The Channel Or Otherwise Let’s Me Change What I’m Watching, So If I’m Not Enjoying It I Can Pick Something Else Instead.

My apologies if I misunderstood. If you had just said "it's not to my taste", or equivalent, there would have been no issue. Instead you were caustic and insulting and thus came across as wanting to be treated as someone who was caustic and insulting. It's a little hard to buy the "oh I'm so sophisticated I just leave things I don't like alone" after going out of your way to be obnoxious. I'm sure it assuages your ego but it comes across as bad faith.

For what it's worth I started watching Lower Decks with my daughter because she wanted to see the animated show after catching the Strange New Worlds episode with Boimler and Mariner in it, But we had to shut it off due to the severe amount of innuendo and profanity included in the series. Even the stuff that was bleeped out was giving her some really uncomfortable vibes. What I'd like is a Trek series that I could watch with her and not have to shut stuff off because of grossly inappropriate stuff that's crammed in there.

I argue that you don't need to compete with Quenton Tarantino movies to tell a story.

That had not occurred to me. I am desensitised :( Yes in retrospect they don't need those things to tell their story, maybe cheap laughs/cheap edgy?

I think Lower Decks isn't really for kids. It's got some bloodshed in it IIRC. ST Prodigy is the one for kids if you're looking for that.

Yeah LD is very much not a kid's show.

It's very much made for old fans much in the same way as Picard is.

Star Trek: Prodigy is a very well done kids Trek show.

I find it a bit odd it still has to be pointed out that "animated" doesn't mean "made for children". Of course I'm also surprised by the comparison of Quentin Tarantino and Lower Decks, but ç’est la vie.

I didn't have the sensor the original series, and I barely had the sensor any of the live action series after that up until Discovery. Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks were the beginning of me not watching Star Trek with my kids because there was too much inappropriate content. That is enough for me to refuse to accept it as the best Trek ever as accessibility to the masses would be one of my highest benchmark points.

 Just Tony wrote:
I didn't have the sensor the original series, and I barely had the sensor any of the live action series after that up until Discovery. Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks were the beginning of me not watching Star Trek with my kids because there was too much inappropriate content. That is enough for me to refuse to accept it as the best Trek ever as accessibility to the masses would be one of my highest benchmark points.

The issue isn't that it is something you aren't comfortable showing your kids, that is your choice and perfectly reasonable, but it isn't remotely on par with a Quentin Tarantino film. That is just asinine.

Yea that would be Rick & Morty

But certainly LD isn't for kids, why would it be

As someone said, show them Prodigy, that actually is Trek for preteens.

Despite it not being accurate since at least the dawn of Beavis and Butthead, there’s still an assumption “animation = kid friendly”.

Add in Star Trek, and confusing Lower Decks with Prodigy, and we can see where genuine confusion might arise.

We as Nerds know Lower Decks and Prodigy are different shows. And many of us will know they have very different target audience and content. But to the Man In The Street? Trek and animation is kind of a child friendly safe assumption.

Animals of Farthing Wood
Watership Down
Plague Dogs


Also prove that even animations for kids can have blood, death, scary themes and more and still be for kids.

 Just Tony wrote:
I didn't have the sensor the original series, and I barely had the sensor any of the live action series after that up until Discovery. Discovery, Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks were the beginning of me not watching Star Trek with my kids because there was too much inappropriate content. That is enough for me to refuse to accept it as the best Trek ever as accessibility to the masses would be one of my highest benchmark points.

I watched 3 episodes of Lower Decks because I heard folks saying it was like a love letter to the originals. It most certainly is not for family viewing, unless you're a family of sociopaths.

I've maintained for the last twenty years that there isn't any good Star Trek being produced and I stand by that. Sure they've made a lot of content with Star Trek branding, but actual Star Trek they are not making.