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Does anyone know how the space wolves are going to incorporate the Primaris into their structure?

It doesn't seem fitting that the basic primaris structure would fit the theme of the Space Wolves.

So does anyone have any idea of how they will be incorporated even the latest book Ashes of Prospero contained 0 details on the Primaris integrating into the Space Wolves.

we won't know for SURE until Codex Space Wolves comes out. the cynic in me suggests they won't do anything differant and just sort of throw em in.

Probably the Wolves will throw the Primaris Marines unarmed and without Armor or clothing onto what remains of Fenris. Whoever survives after a month gets to be "tolerated".

Arcanis161 wrote:
Probably the Wolves will throw the Primaris Marines unarmed and without Armor or clothing onto what remains of Fenris. Whoever survives after a month gets to be "tolerated".

Ahh I thought you where talking orginizationally, not how the Space wolves react to them, as for "treating them like new Blood Claws whom need to prove their worthiness,
I sinercerly doubt that'll be the case. A few factors worth considering, first of all the Space Wolves aren't likely to see their primaris brethren as unproven, some of these guys where fighting with Gulliman from the start, and likely served in the fighting against the Khorne deamons on Terra, and helped in the reclaimation of hundreds of worlds, all at the side of a Primarch. In addition they where from the Heresy era and some of them likely even saw (perhaps even MET) Russ. That by itself is going to give them a huuuuuge amount of cachet, I mean consider the reverance the space wolves hold for Bjorn. Even those brought out of stasis reletaivly late will have been blooded by time they where introduced to the Wolves (Gulliman's no fool) given the Ferensian culture of near ritual boasting I imagine the Primaris Marines will be well served when coming in.

My GUESS is that the Space Wolves will largely keep the sturcutre of Primaris Squads untouched figuring "why tinker with the packs?" the big question to my mind is special characters. partiuclarly apocatharies and chaplains.

BrianDavion wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
Probably the Wolves will throw the Primaris Marines unarmed and without Armor or clothing onto what remains of Fenris. Whoever survives after a month gets to be "tolerated".

Ahh I thought you where talking orginizationally, not how the Space wolves react to them, as for "treating them like new Blood Claws whom need to prove their worthiness,
I sinercerly doubt that'll be the case. A few factors worth considering, first of all the Space Wolves aren't likely to see their primaris brethren as unproven, some of these guys where fighting with Gulliman from the start, and likely served in the fighting against the Khorne deamons on Terra, and helped in the reclaimation of hundreds of worlds, all at the side of a Primarch. In addition they where from the Heresy era and some of them likely even saw (perhaps even MET) Russ. That by itself is going to give them a huuuuuge amount of cachet, I mean consider the reverance the space wolves hold for Bjorn. Even those brought out of stasis reletaivly late will have been blooded by time they where introduced to the Wolves (Gulliman's no fool) given the Ferensian culture of near ritual boasting I imagine the Primaris Marines will be well served when coming in.

My GUESS is that the Space Wolves will largely keep the sturcutre of Primaris Squads untouched figuring "why tinker with the packs?" the big question to my mind is special characters. partiuclarly apocatharies and chaplains.

I was merely jesting. I'm sure GW is going to go your route in terms of how the Primaris are treated.

Arcanis161 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Arcanis161 wrote:
Probably the Wolves will throw the Primaris Marines unarmed and without Armor or clothing onto what remains of Fenris. Whoever survives after a month gets to be "tolerated".

Ahh I thought you where talking orginizationally, not how the Space wolves react to them, as for "treating them like new Blood Claws whom need to prove their worthiness,
I sinercerly doubt that'll be the case. A few factors worth considering, first of all the Space Wolves aren't likely to see their primaris brethren as unproven, some of these guys where fighting with Gulliman from the start, and likely served in the fighting against the Khorne deamons on Terra, and helped in the reclaimation of hundreds of worlds, all at the side of a Primarch. In addition they where from the Heresy era and some of them likely even saw (perhaps even MET) Russ. That by itself is going to give them a huuuuuge amount of cachet, I mean consider the reverance the space wolves hold for Bjorn. Even those brought out of stasis reletaivly late will have been blooded by time they where introduced to the Wolves (Gulliman's no fool) given the Ferensian culture of near ritual boasting I imagine the Primaris Marines will be well served when coming in.

My GUESS is that the Space Wolves will largely keep the sturcutre of Primaris Squads untouched figuring "why tinker with the packs?" the big question to my mind is special characters. partiuclarly apocatharies and chaplains.

I was merely jesting. I'm sure GW is going to go your route in terms of how the Primaris are treated.

It's what the evidance goes, and as I said when you look at it, by time they arrive on Fenris, the Primaris Martines likely have records the envy of a few grey hunters.

They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

 cuda1179 wrote:
They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

God that is so lazy and unoriginal it means people can jump chapter to chapter with no punishment.

Its also completely unloreful. The Space Wolves would organize them similarly by skill and ability. Probably taking Aggressors as wolfguard or long fangs, but nope just Vanilla Aggressors no difference between it and all the other primaris BS.

If that is so its a shoddy attempt at world building. As no chapter, NONE so far in their codex have established what it means to be an Aggressor what rank are they? Are they just devastators, elites, are they akin to terminators or centurions? Why then? Shouldn't that be reserved more for the veterans and less for the normal everyday devastator? They seem akin to a Terminator.

Inceptors shouldn't they also be more of an 'elite' due to the skill it would take to descend from orbit? What about reivers shouldn't they act more like a elites as well and not some free for all unit that makes little sense in a hierarchy.

We've gotten none of this we have no idea where any of these guys fall into or what they replaced or what they add in the organization of a chapter.

How is a Primaris Company Organized? how would a great wolf organize it? I doubt that a Space Wolf would use 'aggressor squads' and 'intercessors' as terms for their squads... It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

/rant

Its very disappointing to say the least. As certain wolf lord AKA Grimnar would probably have a mix of wolf guard from primaris to non-primaris, helk i would assume that they would see an aggressor and think "Can we fit lightning claws on that?!"

I'm a fan of Primaris, aesthetically. But the the way they're being crowbarred into the setting is abysmal. GW should have dropped 8th Edition smack into the middle of the Indomitus Crusade, or even at its very beginning. Chaos would then look like a credible threat and battles and campaigns would feel like they actually mattered.

Space Wolves will end up getting the same treatment as the other snowflake chapters. Intercessors etc will just be tacked on.

Is it just me, or has the entire Primaris incorporation got a distinctly half-cocked feel to it? Are they selling as well as they thought? Was the plan originally to squat Old Marines entirely but the AoS experience forced them to fudge the issue?

Can't wait for the Chris Wraight novel about it, should be interesting to see what he has the primaris Space Wolves whining about...

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

God that is so lazy and unoriginal it means people can jump chapter to chapter with no punishment.

Its also completely unloreful. The Space Wolves would organize them similarly by skill and ability. Probably taking Aggressors as wolfguard or long fangs, but nope just Vanilla Aggressors no difference between it and all the other primaris BS.

If that is so its a shoddy attempt at world building. As no chapter, NONE so far in their codex have established what it means to be an Aggressor what rank are they? Are they just devastators, elites, are they akin to terminators or centurions? Why then? Shouldn't that be reserved more for the veterans and less for the normal everyday devastator? They seem akin to a Terminator.

Inceptors shouldn't they also be more of an 'elite' due to the skill it would take to descend from orbit? What about reivers shouldn't they act more like a elites as well and not some free for all unit that makes little sense in a hierarchy.

We've gotten none of this we have no idea where any of these guys fall into or what they replaced or what they add in the organization of a chapter.

How is a Primaris Company Organized? how would a great wolf organize it? I doubt that a Space Wolf would use 'aggressor squads' and 'intercessors' as terms for their squads... It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

/rant

Its very disappointing to say the least. As certain wolf lord AKA Grimnar would probably have a mix of wolf guard from primaris to non-primaris, helk i would assume that they would see an aggressor and think "Can we fit lightning claws on that?!"

Yup, then you've got units stepping on one another's toes within the SW with the addition of Primaris. See those Wolf Scouts over there? You're now obsolete mate, we've got a new elite scouting unit now that does exactly the same job, but will skull masks and gak.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

God that is so lazy and unoriginal it means people can jump chapter to chapter with no punishment.

Its also completely unloreful. The Space Wolves would organize them similarly by skill and ability. Probably taking Aggressors as wolfguard or long fangs, but nope just Vanilla Aggressors no difference between it and all the other primaris BS.

If that is so its a shoddy attempt at world building. As no chapter, NONE so far in their codex have established what it means to be an Aggressor what rank are they? Are they just devastators, elites, are they akin to terminators or centurions? Why then? Shouldn't that be reserved more for the veterans and less for the normal everyday devastator? They seem akin to a Terminator.

Inceptors shouldn't they also be more of an 'elite' due to the skill it would take to descend from orbit? What about reivers shouldn't they act more like a elites as well and not some free for all unit that makes little sense in a hierarchy.

We've gotten none of this we have no idea where any of these guys fall into or what they replaced or what they add in the organization of a chapter.

How is a Primaris Company Organized? how would a great wolf organize it? I doubt that a Space Wolf would use 'aggressor squads' and 'intercessors' as terms for their squads... It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

/rant

Its very disappointing to say the least. As certain wolf lord AKA Grimnar would probably have a mix of wolf guard from primaris to non-primaris, helk i would assume that they would see an aggressor and think "Can we fit lightning claws on that?!"

Actually if you look at the blood angels their paint schemes do identify what they see the primaris units as.

Intercessors have the standard red helmet so they fill the tactical role.
Inceptors have the yellow helmet which identifies them as being an assault/fast attack option.
Aggressors have the blue helmet which identifies them as being in the devastator role.
Hellblasters have blue helmets which identifies them as being in the devastator role.
Reivers do not appear to have a set kit for reivers so they don't have a specific color, but if they did I think it would be red or yellow.

So we do have some information to go off of in how chapter organize their primaris. Not nearly as much as I'd like however. Their lore and range needs expanded.
Edit: None of the primaris options have the golden helmet type so they do not have any units considered to be true elites just yet.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

God that is so lazy and unoriginal it means people can jump chapter to chapter with no punishment.

Its also completely unloreful. The Space Wolves would organize them similarly by skill and ability. Probably taking Aggressors as wolfguard or long fangs, but nope just Vanilla Aggressors no difference between it and all the other primaris BS.

If that is so its a shoddy attempt at world building. As no chapter, NONE so far in their codex have established what it means to be an Aggressor what rank are they? Are they just devastators, elites, are they akin to terminators or centurions? Why then? Shouldn't that be reserved more for the veterans and less for the normal everyday devastator? They seem akin to a Terminator.

Inceptors shouldn't they also be more of an 'elite' due to the skill it would take to descend from orbit? What about reivers shouldn't they act more like a elites as well and not some free for all unit that makes little sense in a hierarchy.

We've gotten none of this we have no idea where any of these guys fall into or what they replaced or what they add in the organization of a chapter.

How is a Primaris Company Organized? how would a great wolf organize it? I doubt that a Space Wolf would use 'aggressor squads' and 'intercessors' as terms for their squads... It doesn't make a lick of sense otherwise.

/rant

Its very disappointing to say the least. As certain wolf lord AKA Grimnar would probably have a mix of wolf guard from primaris to non-primaris, helk i would assume that they would see an aggressor and think "Can we fit lightning claws on that?!"

Actually if you look at the blood angels their paint schemes do identify what they see the primaris units as.

Intercessors have the standard red helmet so they fill the tactical role.
Inceptors have the yellow helmet which identifies them as being an assault/fast attack option.
Aggressors have the blue helmet which identifies them as being in the devastator role.
Hellblasters have blue helmets which identifies them as being in the devastator role.
Reivers do not appear to have a set kit for reivers so they don't have a specific color, but if they did I think it would be red or yellow.

So we do have some information to go off of in how chapter organize their primaris. Not nearly as much as I'd like however. Their lore and range needs expanded.
Edit: None of the primaris options have the golden helmet type so they do not have any units considered to be true elites just yet.

I think they need special characters, and to actually include how a battle company or companies are organized in a Primaris Chapter cause right now we have no idea. They say they are seperated into twenty squads... Twenty squads of what?

If you look at the marine codex the roles are now battle line, close support and fire support. So battle line would go with tactical and intercessors. That doesn’t work for space wolves. They really need a way of having intercessors with close combat weapons like grey hunters can. Otherwise they are being very lazy. Finger crossed.

Andykp wrote:
If you look at the marine codex the roles are now battle line, close support and fire support. So battle line would go with tactical and intercessors. That doesn’t work for space wolves. They really need a way of having intercessors with close combat weapons like grey hunters can. Otherwise they are being very lazy. Finger crossed.

even without gaining a close combat weapon Intercessor squads still have two attacks my concern isn't for the line troops, hopefully they'll explain a bit how they're intergrated etc, but my concern is more for the HQs where space wolves are DIFFERANT, specificly wolf priests. right now space wolves are allowed to use the full Primaris range, so my fear is GW's not going to give space wolf primaris Marines wolf priests so as not to punish those SW players who bought a chaplain and Apocathary mini already (hey someone out there might have!) the hopefuly part of me is that a space wolves primaris wolf priest will come default witha absolver bolt pistol and a reductor pistol, and be able to upgrade with a Cronzium as well. thus allowing BOTH minis to be used for a single unit

BrianDavion wrote:

Andykp wrote:
If you look at the marine codex the roles are now battle line, close support and fire support. So battle line would go with tactical and intercessors. That doesn’t work for space wolves. They really need a way of having intercessors with close combat weapons like grey hunters can. Otherwise they are being very lazy. Finger crossed.

even without gaining a close combat weapon Intercessor squads still have two attacks my concern isn't for the line troops, hopefully they'll explain a bit how they're intergrated etc, but my concern is more for the HQs where space wolves are DIFFERANT, specificly wolf priests. right now space wolves are allowed to use the full Primaris range, so my fear is GW's not going to give space wolf primaris Marines wolf priests so as not to punish those SW players who bought a chaplain and Apocathary mini already (hey someone out there might have!) the hopefuly part of me is that a space wolves primaris wolf priest will come default witha absolver bolt pistol and a reductor pistol, and be able to upgrade with a Cronzium as well. thus allowing BOTH minis to be used for a single unit

My issue is that it would be extremely lazy for them to not integrate them into the space wolves structure completely.

GW are lazy though.

Of all the codes for marines this needs most work obvs. And new kits or bits. They look so different than other chapters. Fluff wise I’m looking forward to seeing successors. For standard chapter I have written my own fluff have a full primaris army and rearranged the companies a lot. Had to as GW hasn’t. I think when all the codexs are done we will see more primaris stuff (fluff wise). I think they went easy on it so as not to scare off people with the new stuff too much.

It'd not be that lazy though, the Space Wolves are, among anything else, pragmatic, if they're given squads of troops the space wolves won't randomly spilit them up etc.

as for new bits etc, much like the blood and dark angels I expect them to put out primaris Marines with a space wolf upgrade kit, and the upgrade kit hopefully will have eneugh bits and blobs to really wolf them out

If they shoehorned Intercessors into an organization as equipment-diverse as the Deathwatch, you can bet your butt that they'll jam them into SW without a thought.

Yeah, the Primaris are beautifully designed models with perhaps the most poorly thought out backstory ever. GW could have just released larger scale mark VIII armor and people would have been happy, or introduced it as Mark IX armor demanded by the G-Man on his return. There's been scale creep before, so it's not like it would have killed the market or anything.

Instead, you have this completely new and totally never mentioned before development where this dude improves the genetic engineering that has been static, at best, for thousands of years, plus also solves every single different problem with it (like how Space Wolf progenoids only worked with Fenrisian hosts, and every problem had by any other chapter), plus also develops better armor and more innovative weapons and also does it on an unheard of scale, and is able to deploy them everywhere to everyone, and also, everyone, including the people who resisted reorganization at the point of a gun in the past and have kept their traditions for thousands of years, will also equip and deploy them in the same way, just because the same guy that they ignored previously says to do it.

Waaaay more plausible than 'hey, Mark VIII armor. Neat!"

I like to believe that in-universe nobody likes them enough to give them any extra equipment, like, Guilliman just left them on each Fortress Monasteries door, running off before anyone could complain

The Space Wolf gene seed problem has never been described very well. It's a weird thing that popped up post Heresy and I don't think they ever explained why.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Does anyone know how the space wolves are going to incorporate the Primaris into their structure?

In a way that makes you spend as much money as possible.
I'm not even saying that sarcastically.
That's how GW will focus on them once everything is set up for 9th edition.
In the meantime it'll likely be the same as everyone else.

 Asherian Command wrote:
Does anyone know how the space wolves are going to incorporate the Primaris into their structure?

It doesn't seem fitting that the basic primaris structure would fit the theme of the Space Wolves.

So does anyone have any idea of how they will be incorporated even the latest book Ashes of Prospero contained 0 details on the Primaris integrating into the Space Wolves.

They will accept anyone that shows great strength and fighting ability. I always like the story in Emperors gift when Agnron broke his his blacksword on the kinefield of the grey knight, the wolves all started calling him bladebreaker and showing him respect, which they didn't show for the grey knights before that battle, same with the sisters of battle in blood of Ashaheim. after a few hundred years they fit right in and new Primaris recruits will probably come straight from Fenris, though its population has dwindled since the Thousand sons invasion. Of course they will have to learn to drink and eat copious amounts of mjod and meat which is far more important a signifier in their respect for people lol Of course there will still be an us and them kind of thing, which is why Girlyman should have made Primaris mix with existing squads but you can't really do that game wise. Nothing better to forge bonds than fighting together.

respecting someone as a warrior and accepting them as a brother are VEEEERY differant things.

BrianDavion wrote:
respecting someone as a warrior and accepting them as a brother are VEEEERY differant things.

Which I already noted. I said there will be an element of us and them.

How would primaris address Bjorn?

Would they see him as a leader more than the great wolf

Would Bjorn see them as abominations that shouldn’t exist?

I hope Bjorn hates them and Cawl seeing as he was pretty mad about the Tempering experiment.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
They will likely keep the current Primaris squads as they are, only making them different in the fluff.

Personally, I would love to see some kind of mixed unit with both normal marines and primaris in them. I was hoping that for Deathwatch too, but since they didn't do that there (the ONE codex it would have been perfect for) I doubt it will happen for space wolves.

If that is so its a shoddy attempt at world building. As no chapter, NONE so far in their codex have established what it means to be an Aggressor what rank are they? Are they just devastators, elites, are they akin to terminators or centurions? Why then? Shouldn't that be reserved more for the veterans and less for the normal everyday devastator? They seem akin to a Terminator.

Aren't aggressors determined by "who is the GRUDGINEST"?

When did space marines start determining their ranks based on the old fantasy dwarf lore?


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Morgasm the Powerfull wrote:
I like to believe that in-universe nobody likes them enough to give them any extra equipment, like, Guilliman just left them on each Fortress Monasteries door, running off before anyone could complain

The "Dumbledore" method of reinforcement.