Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

https://www.wibc.com/news/local-news/popular-gaming-commentator-town-gencon-claims-he-was-assaulted-bar

"popular"

So, who wants to suggest what he did/said to entice the other person into assaulting him? I've seen a lot of this guys stuff, and its clear as day that he is an instigator. A lot of his youtube videos are so cringy I can't stand to make it through them all the way sometimes.

I won't condone violence however, the person who flew off the handle and went after him was wrong. Violence never solves the problem, and it only gives ammunition to hurt you back with.

Violence? In an establishment that exists to serve alcohol? I'm SHOCKED, shocked I tell you. It's almost like they need some professional ruffian to toss the intoxicated belligerents out!

<sarcasm, obviously>

But seriously, he wants a statement of safety from Gen Con? He wasn't even in Gen Con, he was in an independent, live music bar.

Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

I do agree however violence is never the answer.

My theory? Its a bar and people drink at bars. Alcohol and idiots already have all the ingredients necessary for violence without having to say anything in particular to provoke it.

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

He's a and a troll with a history of trying to start trouble. There's no explanation of just what "expressing his conservative views" consisted of and how far over the line it might have been, but it wouldn't be at all surprising if it turns out that someone just got tired of his and gave him a well-deserved punch.

And agreed on the absurdity of expecting Gencon to give any kind of statement or bans or whatever for an alleged event that happened somewhere else in the city with no affiliation with the convention.

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

I do agree however violence is never the answer.

I'm saying he comes off as the type of person who instigates drama in order to grow his following and expand his business. Many of his videos are uber-level cringe using some of the most blatant click-bait titles I've seen in years. He is well known for harassing people locally at magic events usually in the form of comments, nothing physical. He intentionally seeks out people who disagree with him and then pushes them until they blow. So, in short, no, it's not good to assault anyone, no matter the reason. However, I'm not surprised that someone hauled off and smacked him a couple of times, it's what he very obviously wants to happen so he can continue his victim narrative he's been riding since November 2017 when WoTC banned him.

I've seen a video saying that the person that assaulted him has already been identified. It's a good start.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/761578.page#10093815

Also, this thread seems to be better suited for this discussion. So we should merge them together?

It seems an excellent idea to bring the concept of wargaming out of the conference hall and into the real world.

Perhaps the gentlemen involved might also dress up in cosplay outfits to ameliorate the verisimilitude of their pugilistic asserverations.

GenCon should award some kind of accolade or prize for the most convincing representation.

Was at GenCon last year, will probably be there next. I dont knw anything about this dude, but the only people I saw who had issues at the event or at any other places outside of it were those that went out of their way to make them. It was an awesome event filled with great people.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Was at GenCon last year, will probably be there next. I dont knw anything about this dude, but the only people I saw who had issues at the event or at any other places outside of it were those that went out of their way to make them. It was an awesome event filled with great people.

I've not been in over a decade, but I had the same experience way back in 05/06.

Worry not, this dude is just a pot stirrer.

there is a better thread for this over in Dakka Discussions.

Can we get a mod to either lock this thread or merge the two?

 Togusa wrote:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/761578.page#10093815

Also, this thread seems to be better suited for this discussion. So we should merge them together?

Honestly, the "allegedly" bit seems an important note compared to the other thread title. It notes the fact that we don't have nearly all of the information on the event that happened, the context of the situation, etc. Plus the fact that that thread has kind of been dragged off topic into whether the entire city constitutes Gencon or not...


On the topic itself, I had to look the guy up to figure out who he was, but he seems to be a pretty terrible person who incites harassment. I don't generally condone violence, but I can easily see how this situation might have happened.

Sidenote, when I googled this, I was kind of startled by the headlines that popped up - basically summed up as "this guy was assaulted by a SJW!!!". I'll admit, I didn't read/watch those links, but whenever you see a title like that, you basically know what the content, the tilt, and the side they take is, regardless of how much or little information available to them.

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ...

If you actually bothered to look him up at all, he is "popular" for spreading far right, fascist views. So much so he would be fringe even on 4chan's largest dumpster fire threads.

If he said the same thing in that bar that he spreads under the shield of online anonymity, namely that people are subhuman by the virtue of being born in the 'wrong' category, or by daring to have political views stating that everyone is equal, I can easily see how he got hit, and rightly so. Since when hate crime is just "opinion"? Especially when you deliberately provoke and goad others with it?

Is it time for the "Is it a good idea to punch Nazis?" merry go round again? That's always fun.

Plus he's not above lying about things and telling his fans to harrass people and disrupt events.

 Irbis wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ...

If you actually bothered to look him up at all, he is "popular" for spreading far right, fascist views. So much so he would be fringe even on 4chan's largest dumpster fire threads.

If he said the same thing in that bar that he spreads under the shield of online anonymity, namely that people are subhuman by the virtue of being born in the 'wrong' category, or by daring to have political views stating that everyone is equal, I can easily see how he got hit, and rightly so. Since when hate crime is just "opinion"? Especially when you deliberately provoke and goad others with it?

I’ve watched his videos, he is not a facist, nor does he spread facist views, the guy is just right wing, by American standards he isn’t even that far right, by U.K. standards he is extremely far right however.

And don’t bring in the stupidity of hate crime laws, they brought those into the U.K. and I am ashamed that they did so, no Government has the right to police speech, the sheer arrogance of it, now you can’t criticise any other minority or ideology without running the risk of that stupidly thought out law landing you a fine or even prison time.

The guy is a douche pure and simple, and yep, every opinion should be protected, even the ones we don’t like as long as it doesn’t incite violence, and given how the attacker was allegedly a far leftie... I wouldn’t be surprised.

If you have to resort to violence to stop someone saying something you don’t like, or condone said violence, you have already lost the debate.

But none of this matters, because if it comes out that he brought this on himself then any credibility he had is gone, if it was over his political views online then the other fella deserves to be punished appropriately.

 Formosa wrote:

But none of this matters, because if it comes out that he brought this on himself then any credibility he had is gone, if it was over his political views online then the other fella deserves to be punished appropriately.

You really believe that? That the Pepe-meme guys, the guys who believed Pizzagate, the guys who equate the Gunn situation and the Rosanne situation, the guys who believe there's an SJW conspiracy hiding under every pillow and get their news from Bannon and Bannonesque online gak-factories, those people will ever, ever accept that this guy's account of martyrdom at the hands of an evil "Social Justice Nazi" was anything other than unalloyed truth from the mouths of the angels themselves?

It could turn out that the whole thing was a complete fabrication and his fanbase and the neonazi boosters who've latched on to the story as another example of "sjw atrocities" would still back him to the hilt.

In the more likely event that he's just presenting a wildly one-sided account of an incident where two people got into an argument in a bar and one of them said something so reprehensible the other belted them for it, he'll be a hero for these goons, up there with those Charlottesville rally scum.

It's technically within the realms of possibility that another giant arsehole just walked up and decked him out of nowhere because he didn't like their politics, but given this guy's history I'll believe that version of events when it comes out of the mouth of a police officer giving an official statement.

 skyth wrote:
Plus he's not above lying about things and telling his fans to harrass people and disrupt events.

Was he one of the guys who went around just asking questions about the Gamergate girls who received threats, wondering if they exaggerated or even made up the threats to play the victim? I remember that being a very popular mode of attack.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

He's a and a troll with a history of trying to start trouble. There's no explanation of just what "expressing his conservative views" consisted of and how far over the line it might have been, but it wouldn't be at all surprising if it turns out that someone just got tired of his and gave him a well-deserved punch.

If I ever run into Anita Sarkesian I have your full support in punching her repeatedly in the face, right Peregrine?

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

He's a and a troll with a history of trying to start trouble. There's no explanation of just what "expressing his conservative views" consisted of and how far over the line it might have been, but it wouldn't be at all surprising if it turns out that someone just got tired of his and gave him a well-deserved punch.

If I ever run into Anita Sarkesian I have your full support in punching her repeatedly in the face, right Peregrine?

If you can't tell the difference between someone who disagrees with you politically and someone who is a blatant troll, panders to wannabe-Nazis, and encourages his followers to harass people he doesn't like, well, I don't really know what to say to you.

 Irbis wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ...

If you actually bothered to look him up at all, he is "popular" for spreading far right, fascist views. So much so he would be fringe even on 4chan's largest dumpster fire threads.

If he said the same thing in that bar that he spreads under the shield of online anonymity, namely that people are subhuman by the virtue of being born in the 'wrong' category, or by daring to have political views stating that everyone is equal, I can easily see how he got hit, and rightly so. Since when hate crime is just "opinion"? Especially when you deliberately provoke and goad others with it?

Exaggerate much? I seriously dare you to prove anything you just stated. Yes, his views are right of center, not far right.

Sounds like a compelling case to build a Thunderdome

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

He's a and a troll with a history of trying to start trouble. There's no explanation of just what "expressing his conservative views" consisted of and how far over the line it might have been, but it wouldn't be at all surprising if it turns out that someone just got tired of his and gave him a well-deserved punch.

If I ever run into Anita Sarkesian I have your full support in punching her repeatedly in the face, right Peregrine?

If you can't tell the difference between someone who disagrees with you politically and someone who is a blatant troll, panders to wannabe-Nazis, and encourages his followers to harass people he doesn't like, well, I don't really know what to say to you.

Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Communism and Nazism are not even remotely morally equal.

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Did you really just say he was an instigator for expressing his opinions ... this... this is not off to a good start already.

He's a and a troll with a history of trying to start trouble. There's no explanation of just what "expressing his conservative views" consisted of and how far over the line it might have been, but it wouldn't be at all surprising if it turns out that someone just got tired of his and gave him a well-deserved punch.

If I ever run into Anita Sarkesian I have your full support in punching her repeatedly in the face, right Peregrine?

As your financial advisor, the above action should only be performed if you:

A). Are willing to do the time for your crime.

And

B). Are prepared to roll in piles of sweet, sweet cash after you monetize your experience via podcast, speaking engagements, a YouTube channel, and your own personal cologne and/or jeans brand.


Sadly, that's the world we live in.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 skyth wrote:
Plus he's not above lying about things and telling his fans to harrass people and disrupt events.

Was he one of the guys who went around just asking questions about the Gamergate girls who received threats, wondering if they exaggerated or even made up the threats to play the victim? I remember that being a very popular mode of attack.

You and Yodhrin seem to both be left leaning. I have to ask, since you two seem to have different opinions on this matter, Is accepting someone's story expected, or are you a blind sheep? By your post, even questioning a story is wrong. By his opinion, not questioning it is wrong.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Communism and Nazism are not even remotely morally equal.

You're right. Her opinions are significantly less factual and more fascist.

 cuda1179 wrote:
You're right. Her opinions are significantly less factual and more fascist.

You are not dealing with reality here.

Please explain how she is a fascist. I would like to hear this.

 Peregrine wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Change "wannabe-Nazis" to "wannabe-commies" and you just described Anita.

Communism and Nazism are not even remotely morally equal.

That's because the Nazis didn't kill half as many people as the Commies.

I don't know the details about what happened at the bar, so I can't say what happened, but I've seen guys like him before and I've seen them bite off more than they can chew.

In my high school we had a guy who was like this. He decided to start making fun of a girl in my class who recently returned to school after being out with lung cancer at lunch to a guy next to him. She wore a beret to cover up her head while she regret her hair. So he makes some stupid joke about her cancer and her hat. The guy next to him just starts beating the hell out of him. The guy he made the joke to was her older brother.

The fight was broken up by teachers. The guy was taken to the nurse's and while my classmates brother got was a bit of a talking to right there in the lunchroom before they let him sit back down. I got to witness the whole thing from one table over and I can tell you that not even the teachers felt sorry for that guy getting handed a beating for what he said and to who.

Now I don't think that I endorse violence because I don't feel bad having watched a guy say something terrible to the wrong person and trigger them to violence and not feel bad for them at all. Sometimes though, when guys like that start shooting off their mouths, they say the wrong thing to the wrong person, and understandably get punched for.

Then again the guy who got punched at a bar by another guy, while they both attended Gencon might be completely innocent of any wrongdoing. It's for the police to handle. All we'll likely get out of either side though is an extremely biased version of events.