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If characters cant join squads in 8th, if people deepstrike a unit of 10 wraithblades, do they then have to deepstrike a spirit seer as an entirely different unit next to it? Then they would need to roll a new set of charging dice, ect?

marcman wrote:
If characters cant join squads in 8th, if people deepstrike a unit of 10 wraithblades, do they then have to deepstrike a spirit seer as an entirely different unit next to it? Then they would need to roll a new set of charging dice, ect?

Correct on all counts. Characters are essentially single model units, totally independent of any unit they want to accompany. This means you need to spend more CP to deep strike them with a stratagem, need to roll their charges separately, etc.

My suspicion is that GW wanted to conclusively destroy any semblance of "Deathstars" in 8th, which instead lead to individual characters (Girlyman, Slamguinius, Dawneagle Custodes) being too good on their own.

The only thing special about characters is that if they start with fewer than 10 wounds, they have additional protection in the Shooting phase.

Other than that, characters are normal units in every respect, and with all that entails.

and dont forget they are the only units in the game with an alternative of being able to engage in CC without either charging or piling in/consolidating

 BaconCatBug wrote:

marcman wrote:
If characters cant join squads in 8th, if people deepstrike a unit of 10 wraithblades, do they then have to deepstrike a spirit seer as an entirely different unit next to it? Then they would need to roll a new set of charging dice, ect?

Correct on all counts. Characters are essentially single model units, totally independent of any unit they want to accompany. This means you need to spend more CP to deep strike them with a stratagem, need to roll their charges separately, etc.

My suspicion is that GW wanted to conclusively destroy any semblance of "Deathstars" in 8th, which instead lead to individual characters (Girlyman, Slamguinius, Dawneagle Custodes) being too good on their own.

They’re not *essentially* single model units, they’re *literally* single model units. Pedantic correction, maybe, but accurate.

The designers also stated in interviews (Twitch and the like) that they wanted to get rid of deathstars, so your ‘suspicion’ is correct.

The way auras work now has just shifted from Uber-buffing one unit to buffing a bubble or gunline of units. A small group of characters can give a variety of rerolls to the units around them.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

marcman wrote:
If characters cant join squads in 8th, if people deepstrike a unit of 10 wraithblades, do they then have to deepstrike a spirit seer as an entirely different unit next to it? Then they would need to roll a new set of charging dice, ect?

Correct on all counts. Characters are essentially single model units, totally independent of any unit they want to accompany. This means you need to spend more CP to deep strike them with a stratagem, need to roll their charges separately, etc.

My suspicion is that GW wanted to conclusively destroy any semblance of "Deathstars" in 8th, which instead lead to individual characters (Girlyman, Slamguinius, Dawneagle Custodes) being too good on their own.

They’re not *essentially* single model units, they’re *literally* single model units. Pedantic correction, maybe, but accurate.

The designers also stated in interviews (Twitch and the like) that they wanted to get rid of deathstars, so your ‘suspicion’ is correct.

The way auras work now has just shifted from Uber-buffing one unit to buffing a bubble or gunline of units. A small group of characters can give a variety of rerolls to the units around them.

TIL Saint Celestine and her two Geminae Superia are a single model.

There is a reason why I said essentially, because exceptions exist. Or are you using literally in the way kids these days use it to mean figuratively? I can never tell nowadays.

So the one exception means you hurl mockery around? Give me a break. As you are the person on this forum who literally uses literally figuratively the most I find this hilarious!

Also, your signature literally doesn’t all fit on the screen. My special mention is below the fold now, sob hiss.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
So the one exception means you hurl mockery around?

There is also Kaptin Badrukk with Ammo Runts, Painboys with Grot Orderly, Big Mek with Grot Oiler and the GSC Magus with Familiars (although the Familiar doesn't have the CHARACTER keyword (which doesn't matter thanks to the DC FAQ), and the Ammo Runts, Oiler and Orderly only have it when being shot at).

So no, it's not "one exception". Your statement is categorically false and misleading. Characters are not always single model units, which is what you insinuated by saying they were "literally" single model units.

Characters can't join squads per se. But they can embark on transports with a squad.

i'll use Space Marines as the go to explanation force.

Eg combat squad of tactical marines can embark on a razorback and a captain can also embark on it.

Use a CP to deepstrike an HQ character with a squad of terminators.

Characters cannot be targeted in shooting if they are screened by any other non character unit. Unless they are targeted by weapons which specifically allow characters to be targeted (eg Sniper Rifles)

As has been said before, characters now provide bubble effect around them (usually 6")
So i am running a Terminator Chaplain with my Terminator Assault Squad. They have a mix of hammers and lightning claws. Even though the Chaplain is a character and can't be part of the unit literally, they are still gaining ability to reroll failed hits due to hi Litanies of Hate bubble.
And the Lightning Claws are rerolling failed wounds.

 Corennus wrote:


Use a CP to deepstrike an HQ character with a squad of terminators.

You mean 3?

marcman wrote:

 Corennus wrote:


Use a CP to deepstrike an HQ character with a squad of terminators.

You mean 3?

I don't have a marine codex so not sure but I assume terminators have their own deep strike rule so don't pay cp to do it.

 roflmajog wrote:

marcman wrote:

 Corennus wrote:


Use a CP to deepstrike an HQ character with a squad of terminators.

You mean 3?

I don't have a marine codex so not sure but I assume terminators have their own deep strike rule so don't pay cp to do it.

Correct, Terminators have the "Teleport Strike" rule which allows them to "teleport into battle" so they can set up anywhere on the battlefield etc...

What strat allows a character to do this? did I miss something? I can not find it in my codex.

Aeldari have a strat for 1Cp deepstrike of 1 unit or 3cp for two

marcman wrote:
Aeldari have a strat for 1Cp deepstrike of 1 unit or 3cp for two

Those are Space Marines?

 Corennus wrote:


i'll use Space Marines as the go to explanation force.

He was talking about Terminators and mentions he was talking about Space Marines.

Where does Aeldari fit into that at all?

He’s the OP and was talking about Aeldari to start with before the example.