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So, I am reading the Drukhari Codex.

Icubi.

The only known path of entry into the order is to best a proven Incubus and take his armour .Should an aspirant live long enough to achieve this murderous feat, then the final training can begin. The initiate is given a singular, spiteful task – to kill an Aspect Warrior of the Asuryani in single combat, shatter his quarry’s precious spirit stone, and return it to the Hierarch. When this task is completed, only then can he be fully inducted as an Incubus.

So what happens when a female Drukhari kills the Klaivex? She's not allowed to take his place because she is not a male, so the whole shrine is left to rot?

Scourge.

A rich and daring Drukhari may surrender themselves to the Haemonculi,requesting that their bones be hollowed out by the cold metal drills of a Talos, that bands of new muscle be grafted onto their torso, and powerful wings and adrenaline dispensers be attached to their shoulders so that they are capable of true flight.

Apparently, the plural form as gender-neutral expression for an individual is used in Scourge but not Incubi, which means it is intended. So is there any reason why Dark Eldar females are excluded from Incubi? There are male Howling Banshees and Wyches, you know.

Yeah feth females amiright? No girls allowed!!

Dude it's probably an oversight, don't get too hung up on it. I'm willing to put money on there being female incubi, after all it's the current year!

Though incubi the actual mythical creature are male, then their counter parts are sucubi.

Male =Incubus, incubi (plural)

Female=Sucubus, sucubi (plural)

Google is your friend dude


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Why are there no male Sucubi?

The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

For the same reason there aren't any male Wyches or male Sisters of Battle. It's a gender exclusive role. Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

As stated, the "real world" (as "real" as fictional beings can be) counterparts are exclusively male. Succubus were female sexual daemons and Incubus were male sexual daemons.

This is like the people who complain they only see males when they search "actor". It's typically a good idea to learn what a word means before starting any rant revolving around it.

IronBrand wrote:
This is like the people who complain they only see males when they search "actor". It's typically a good idea to learn what a word means before starting any rant revolving around it.

Exactly. There is nothing wrong with differentiating between genders. Men and Women are different, after all. I wish the -rix suffix was still used instead of -ess for more things, it sounds so much cooler to be an aviatrix or actrix than an aviator or actor.

Cough.... cough..... there are Male Wyches (just not Succubui).

I wouldn't read too much into one pronoun. There probably can be female Incubi, if there couldn't they probably would it say it more clearly.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

 Crimson wrote:
I wouldn't read too much into one pronoun. There probably can be female Incubi, if there couldn't they probably would it say it more clearly.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

Using "Their" as a gender neutral pronoun is not strictly correct (It's the equivalent of saying somebody "ranned" a race), although since English doesn't have a governing body like French does, I suppose usage is the final arbiter of what is "correct".


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 Amishprn86 wrote:
Cough.... cough..... there are Male Wyches (just not Succubui).

Fair enough. Then it's the same as Howling Banshees, where the gender ratio is so lopsided it's effectively all female.

 Crimson wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

'Their' is the world you're looking for. But it is such an exotic world that is it understandable that you might not have heard of it.

I'm crying laughing right now. This thread is too good

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Using "Their" as a gender neutral pronoun is not strictly correct (It's the equivalent of saying somebody "ranned" a race), although since English doesn't have a governing body like French does, I suppose usage is the final arbiter of what is "correct".

It has been commonly used since 14th century. That it would be somehow 'incorrect' is a victorian invention, like split infinitives being 'incorrect.'

Many military and social groups of the 41st millennium do not accept all genders. Space Marines are all male (well kind of as they are pretty inhuman considering all the massive modifications to their bodies); Of course then arose the mighty sisters of battle, an all female group of righteous followers of the Emperor who are not marines but try to get as close to them as possible.

Meanwhile Daughters of Khaine only keep their males as weak servants and for menial duties in their society; only the very few become gifted enough to rise to the ranks of a Doomfire Warlock (the only male in their current army line up) and even they have to drink a potion that lets Morathi kill them with a whim if she thinks they are a threat (then again she does that with the females too - anything that's at threat dies)


And yes Incubus and Succubus are essentially gender specific terms. One for male and one for female. So there will never be a female in the ranks of the Incubus et c...

Heh never really noticed to be honest.

Makes sense though, incubi, incubus and all that.

Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

 angelrei wrote:
Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

That armor though. Its looks so cool. Succubi probably don't need it as they can apparently dodge so good that they can avoid bullets (they are supposed to be able to do that in the fluff, iirc. Dunno how it works in game. No one in my FLGS plays DE), but fashion, you know?

 BaconCatBug wrote:
For the same reason there aren't any male Wyches or male Sisters of Battle. It's a gender exclusive role. Or it might just be using his as a generic pronoun as is common, instead of saying "his or her or xer or xim or purflarf".

As stated, the "real world" (as "real" as fictional beings can be) counterparts are exclusively male. Succubus were female sexual daemons and Incubus were male sexual daemons.

There's not actually no male wyches. It's also not lopsided. The wych kit comes with 5 male and 5 female torsos. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Dark-Eldar-Wyches

There is also no explicit reason why all succubi need to be female - they're just described with female pronouns in the fluff and the three sculpts that have been made for succubi throughout the years have all been female.

Same deal with Incubi. Their original sculpts were made in 3rd ed, so pretty much all models were male by default and "female" was pretty much always an attribute that units would have attached to their fluff, like "scorpion-themed" or "uses jetpacks". Kabalite Warriors for example used to be modeled as all male https://i0.wp.com/allminiatures.ru/shop/images/w40k/de/Troops/01b.jpg. Wyches and Succubi were the "woman" themed dark eldar, corresponding to the Witch Elves in fantasy.

When the new line came out, the wyches and kabalites got gender-integrated along with the rest of the kits, and the "almost always female" bits of the fluff about wyches got cut out for the most part. Succubi remained female as modeled and incubi, due to still having only 3 sculpts in total, remained all male as modeled.

But hey, one of my succubi is male and one is female, because I like variety in my models. Same with my Archons, one female (kitbash based on Yvraine intended to be Lady Malys) and the other is male (a Harlequin/Scourge/wych kitbash usually used as a second archon who's made a deal with the Harlequins to rise to his station.)

That's the nice thing about gender-integrated model lines with compatible bits. You can have models that look extremely different but are still clearly the same unit but which look totally different. That's where a lot of my frustration comes with the genestealer cults and the way they implemented the latest-generation cultists. Here's a unit that's supposed to infiltrate all levels of imperial society and establish a foothold in every place they can, and here I have a kit that only generates 10 identical bald dudes who could be the exact same person save for a couple bits stuck into their faces, non-compatible besides the head with Cadian guard, non-compatible without cutting with any of the various necromunda gangs, in a very role-specific miner outfit rather than a general generic imperial scum getup.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 angelrei wrote:
Why would they want to be a Incubus, when being a succubus is so much better, better stats, better weapon choices, blaster pistols.

That armor though. Its looks so cool. Probably don't need it if you can dodge so good that you can avoid bullets (they are supposed to be able to do that in the fluff, iirc. Dunno how it works in game. No one in my FLGS plays DE), but fashion, you know?

If I can remember off the top of my head, succubus's get a 4++ save while out of combat and a 3++ while in combat?, this is off the top of my head so could be wrong.

But my metal incubi have bewbs...damn you gdubs why you invalidate meh models????

 Vector Strike wrote:
The same reason GW doesn't produce male Sucubi models... Incubi is their male counterpart

Indeed, there's a clue in the name. And who says GW can't be subtle?

Also, do we really need this thread again? Or can I ask why there are no female Hive Tyrants or male Norn Queens?

>Female space marines

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

hobojebus wrote:
But my metal incubi have bewbs...damn you gdubs why you invalidate meh models????

I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

the_scotsman wrote:
Same deal with Incubi. Their original sculpts were made in 3rd ed, so pretty much all models were male by default and "female" was pretty much always an attribute that units would have attached to their fluff, like "scorpion-themed" or "uses jetpacks".

The original metal incubi models included both male and female examples.

Kabalite Warriors for example used to be modeled as all male https://i0.wp.com/allminiatures.ru/shop/images/w40k/de/Troops/01b.jpg. Wyches and Succubi were the "woman" themed dark eldar, corresponding to the Witch Elves in fantasy.

Again, you're wrong. The original 3rd edition DE mini range included kabalites and wyches of both genders. Your link is misleading: 1 in 4 of those plastic kabalites in the photo actually have a female torso, but since the rifles and arms hide their chests you can't really see.

Here's a better pic:


Original wych models:


Two of the original incubi models, including a female:

When the new line came out, the wyches and kabalites got gender-integrated along with the rest of the kits, and the "almost always female" bits of the fluff about wyches got cut out for the most part.

Nope. Wyches only started being described as female-dominated in relatively recent fluff. When first introduced in 3rd edition, the DE did not distinguish between males and females in any role.

I have 3rd DE army, and none of my Incubi are female, i guess i must be missing the model.

But 3rd doesnt matter, 3rd is long and gone. only 8th remains!

There is really nothing in the fluff that prevents female Incubi or male Succubi. They're not described as mono-gender factions unlike Sisters and Marines. That the names have gender specific origins doesn't mean they're limited that way in the setting. Or do somebody think there cannot be female Lord Commissars?

 Amishprn86 wrote:


I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

Yes at least some of them did.

Yep those bumps are boobs.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

 simonr1978 wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:


I think you are joking? b.c they didnt have bewbs lol

Yes at least some of them did.

Please read the other comments before posting, otherwise you would have seen me saying "I have a 3rd ed DE army and i must be missing a model or 2 out of my incubi as i dont have any with boobs" i do have 12 Incubi, so i am missing a few.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
>Female space marines

Male Sisters of Battle. We'll call them the Brodeptus Sororitas.

Pretty sure the Sororitas part of the name is from the Latin soror (“sister”), so the correct term for male Sisters of Battle would be Adeptus Broritos.

Or Adeptus Fraternicus. Frat meaning Bro in latin

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