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I'm playing admech right now and I want to try a more aggressive army. Nobody in my local meta afaik plays DE. I'm thinking wych cults. Thoughts?

I'll let MJ say it for me:

 Galas wrote:
I'll let MJ say it for me:

Spoiler:

That good huh?

Yeah, Galas sums it up pretty well. They have a great amount of variety in their builds, with some damn good stratagems and being able to mix and match covens, wych cults, and kabalites pretty effectively without having to give up too much. They have a very standout stratagem with Agents of Vect if you go with the Kabal of the Black Heart which allows you to cock-block/negate an opponent's stratagem which is unprecedented so far and incredibly powerful.

I'd say their main weakpoint right now is that their HQ's are still pretty sub-par for the most part, and feel more like a tax rather than something that contributes to the list.

Dark Eldar remain a glass cannon - they can kill a metric TON of stuff each and every turn, while not really being able to take it. Except, in this edition, they made it that each and every unit gets two chances to save, so while they're easy to wound, a bunch of stuff still bounces off of them. Also, unlike most other armies, they have multiple chapter tactics that are really, really great, and so exceedingly benefit from mix and matching forces. Much like the Craftworld Eldar, there's not much in their codex that is "bad", merely "not as ridiculously good as other stuff, so why take it?". Finally, they are Aeldari, and greatly add to an Aeldari Soup competitive list.

All said and done, there's few ways to go wrong with Dark Eldar right now. Enjoy!

One of the very best armies.

Very aggressive, especially the witch cults. Lots of fun.

You'll quickly find 8th edition rewards the Agents of Vect

Well, I think that the DE codex is one of the best in the game.
Wych Cult is very fragile while Kabal seems to be the best choice.
Here you have decent shooting and cc.

Quite probably the singel best codex in the game, though soup trumps all at the moment.

Wych Cults are probably the weakest part of the codex, though by no means bad. Wyches themselves are quite good, Reavers can have their uses but are fairly fragile and don't hit particualrly hard in combat, best uses are either as min squads used to tie up vehicles/grab objectives or big squads flying around trying to use the Eviscerating Flyby stratagem. Hellions sadly are useless still, 14ppm for T3, 1W, 5+Sv is ridiculous. Beasts suffer from their annoying restrictions of only ever being able to take 3 units per detachment and don't take up slots in the force org whilst the Beastmaster only lets you re-roll 1's to hit (used to be re-roll everything in the index, that made Clawed Fiends pretty good in combat). Your heavy firepower will come from the flyers, both are good.

 Yarium wrote:
Dark Eldar remain a glass cannon - they can kill a metric TON of stuff each and every turn, while not really being able to take it. Except, in this edition, they made it that each and every unit gets two chances to save, so while they're easy to wound, a bunch of stuff still bounces off of them. Also, unlike most other armies, they have multiple chapter tactics that are really, really great, and so exceedingly benefit from mix and matching forces. Much like the Craftworld Eldar, there's not much in their codex that is "bad", merely "not as ridiculously good as other stuff, so why take it?". Finally, they are Aeldari, and greatly add to an Aeldari Soup competitive list.

All said and done, there's few ways to go wrong with Dark Eldar right now. Enjoy!

I'm not sure what your on about, 2/3rds of the Carftworlds codex is completely useless. When was the last time you saw aspect warriors other than Dark Reapers, Shinning Spears and the occasional Swooping Hawk unit? Or vehicles other than Wave Serpents, Hemlocks and Fire Prism (the latter taken only because of a stratagem that makes them good, without it they are rubbish)?

Basically, wych cults: Solidly middle of the road. Kabals and Haemonculus: tippity top top tier army.

If your meta is pretty casual, bring the wych cults, see how you do and if you find things are too competitive for you to win as you build up your army, branch out and bring in some Kabal allies to get the Agents of Vect stratagem, and you'll have yourself a very powerful army.

Bonus of wych cults is that they're probably the least likely of the three to be seeing nerfs, except probably their transports.

 Yarium wrote:
Dark Eldar remain a glass cannon - they can kill a metric TON of stuff each and every turn, while not really being able to take it. Except, in this edition, they made it that each and every unit gets two chances to save, so while they're easy to wound, a bunch of stuff still bounces off of them. Also, unlike most other armies, they have multiple chapter tactics that are really, really great, and so exceedingly benefit from mix and matching forces. Much like the Craftworld Eldar, there's not much in their codex that is "bad", merely "not as ridiculously good as other stuff, so why take it?". Finally, they are Aeldari, and greatly add to an Aeldari Soup competitive list.

All said and done, there's few ways to go wrong with Dark Eldar right now. Enjoy!

They are not a glass cannon at all. In fact, their units are quite durable/pt.

Martel732 wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Dark Eldar remain a glass cannon - they can kill a metric TON of stuff each and every turn, while not really being able to take it. Except, in this edition, they made it that each and every unit gets two chances to save, so while they're easy to wound, a bunch of stuff still bounces off of them. Also, unlike most other armies, they have multiple chapter tactics that are really, really great, and so exceedingly benefit from mix and matching forces. Much like the Craftworld Eldar, there's not much in their codex that is "bad", merely "not as ridiculously good as other stuff, so why take it?". Finally, they are Aeldari, and greatly add to an Aeldari Soup competitive list.

All said and done, there's few ways to go wrong with Dark Eldar right now. Enjoy!

They are not a glass cannon at all. In fact, their units are quite durable/pt.

I have to agree. DE really cannot be considered glass cannons anymore due to the various special rules and nature of vehicles in this edition.
Played correctly, DE will take very little damage before wiping most of the enemy.

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From what I can gather, the Drukhari (new name for DE in 8th) are one of the very top tier armies right now. We still have two or there codices still left to come out for 8th. But, unless large nerfs are made, I think we'll see Drukhari somewhere in the top tier of armies throughout 8th edition.

SG

I think drukhari are mid tier, combining them with craftowrlds/ynnari is top tier currently.

Nerf the Pointy ears equality for no pointy ears.

 Galef wrote:

Martel732 wrote:

 Yarium wrote:
Dark Eldar remain a glass cannon - they can kill a metric TON of stuff each and every turn, while not really being able to take it. Except, in this edition, they made it that each and every unit gets two chances to save, so while they're easy to wound, a bunch of stuff still bounces off of them. Also, unlike most other armies, they have multiple chapter tactics that are really, really great, and so exceedingly benefit from mix and matching forces. Much like the Craftworld Eldar, there's not much in their codex that is "bad", merely "not as ridiculously good as other stuff, so why take it?". Finally, they are Aeldari, and greatly add to an Aeldari Soup competitive list.

All said and done, there's few ways to go wrong with Dark Eldar right now. Enjoy!

They are not a glass cannon at all. In fact, their units are quite durable/pt.

I have to agree. DE really cannot be considered glass cannons anymore due to the various special rules and nature of vehicles in this edition.
Played correctly, DE will take very little damage before wiping most of the enemy.

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Not entirely true. Our vehicles are far more resiliant against traditional anti vehicle weapons like lascannons thanks to having a 5++ invuln, but mid strength, mid rate of fire weapons like the wide variety of autocannons are extremely effective against them due to being only T5/6 and having a 4+ Sv. Basically anything that puts out a few shots in the S6/7/8 region with AP-1 and D1/2/3/D3 is the perfect weapon against us.

Ice_can wrote:
Nerf the Pointy ears equality for no pointy ears.

Why do you want orks nerfed? They haven't even got their codex yet.

IronBrand wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Nerf the Pointy ears equality for no pointy ears.

Why do you want orks nerfed? They haven't even got their codex yet.

Because i mentally had an image of a Gretchen protest,but do orks have pointy ears? They always looked kinda square to me.

troll thread is troll.

Ice_can wrote:

IronBrand wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Nerf the Pointy ears equality for no pointy ears.

Why do you want orks nerfed? They haven't even got their codex yet.

Because i mentally had an image of a Gretchen protest,but do orks have pointy ears? They always looked kinda square to me.

Yeah they do, it stands out most on models like Snikrot with big ears.