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The notion about the Emperor wanting to be a god and not caring about humanity comes from the mouth of Erebus in False Gods. Erebus said that while disguised as Sejanus to manipulate Horus into joining Chaos. Chaos, let alone Erebus, is not known for honesty when manipulating pawns. And whats more, Magnus was there telling Horus not to listen to Erebus, and Horus said he knew it was not Sejanus, and even mused that Erebus likely cooked it all up.



So no, the Emperor does not want to be a god.

OK?

Use background forum for lore discussion please.

Less of a discussion, and more of stating the obvious? At least for anyone who’s read the first couple of heresy books.

Typo wrote:
Less of a discussion, and more of stating the obvious? At least for anyone who’s read the first couple of heresy books.

Yes. No intelligent or sane person would believe Erebus.

You know this is a “discussion” forum, right? It feels like you might be better off with a “blog”

Typo wrote:
You know this is a “discussion” forum, right? It feels like you might be better off with a “blog”

Thanks for the tip.

Onething123456 wrote:

Typo wrote:
Less of a discussion, and more of stating the obvious? At least for anyone who’s read the first couple of heresy books.

Yes. No intelligent or sane person would believe Erebus.

Well youd think so but everyone thinks of the wolves as executioners, and that first came from a daemons lips.

Wanted to be viewed as such and was are to different things. 40k is vague on exactly what counts as a god, but at this point regardless of what he wanted, he's god for most humans. To be fair to how he ended up there, he didn't expect for Horus to cripple him and Magnus was meant to be the battery that powers the light house.

Master of Mankind seems to make it pretty clear that the Emperor never wanted worship. He mocks the Primarchs as glory-seeking and comments he could have had glory by the planet-load if he ever wanted it.

He regards control (and by extension, the tyranny it brings) as necessary means to an end. Not them end themselves.

Seems a bit dumb to mock Primarchs for glory seeking considering their childhoods.

pm713 wrote:
Seems a bit dumb to mock Primarchs for glory seeking considering their childhoods.

Their childhoods were apparently not part of the Emperor's plan. My guess is he planned to raise and educate them in a similar fashion to the Custodes. When the Primarchs were being abducted, the Emperor considered destroying them but gambled they would be recoverable and salvageable. He knew this was a risk but there was an even greater risk of the Great Crusade getting bogged down and grinding to a halt without the Primarchs to lead it.

He will be the star child. Living in the warp as a beacon or order.

The Star Child is from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.

Onething123456 wrote:
The Star Child is from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.

Yes. And there is better than anything that has come out of those dreadful HH books.


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In the 41st millennium the emperors soul is dispersed in the warp spread out so finely that it is of the warp it’s self. A small infant part of that, the star child sits in the warp waiting for a suitable time to reborn in the material universe where it will emerge as the New Man yet again.

So Hes now more messiah than god.

The problem is how do you define “god” in the 41st millennium.

 Karhedron wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Seems a bit dumb to mock Primarchs for glory seeking considering their childhoods.

Their childhoods were apparently not part of the Emperor's plan. My guess is he planned to raise and educate them in a similar fashion to the Custodes. When the Primarchs were being abducted, the Emperor considered destroying them but gambled they would be recoverable and salvageable. He knew this was a risk but there was an even greater risk of the Great Crusade getting bogged down and grinding to a halt without the Primarchs to lead it.

Someone should have pointed out that the Emperor cannot be around people...

Fabius Bile: Clonelord wrote:...‘But for how much longer will that be the case? What will become of you then, my little ones? What will become of all that I have built, when I am gone?’

He wondered whether the Corpse-Emperor, on his Throne, had had similar thoughts, in those hours left to him before he had given the order to damn himself to an eternal half-life. ‘Did you wonder, in those final moments, whether your path was the correct one?’ he said aloud. ‘Did you spare any thought for what might come of hovering over your creations for an eternity, like some grim shadow that they will never escape?”

Whether he wanted to be a god or not is irrelevant. The path he was forced to take made him one.

 Grimtuff wrote:


Whether he wanted to be a god or not is irrelevant. The path he was forced to take made him one.

I think this is the most interesting part of the story.

I think that the Emperor may need to become a god to fight Chaos... so in a weird way the "false" vision presented to Horus was in fact real... from a certain point of view... it was just out of sequence. At the very least if the Emperor is not a god or still doesn't want to become one, Horus' vision was still weirdly true.

Either that, or the Emperor's body will die and put his essence into a cloned Horus, thus being reborn, but also fulfilling the Chaos God's promise to put Horus on the throne. That would be cool too as it would also fulfil the Star Child theory as it would be the Emperors child who would not get all the power. I don't know how we'd get there, though.

You're not saying Erebus was telling the truth? Only a dimwit or looney would believe him, especially since neither Horus or Magnus believed Erebus.

I mean, lets be honest. You could walk into a holocaust museum dressed as Hitler with Erebus beside you, and people would beat the crap out of him first.

I wouldn't trust a word out of his mouth. lol

What is a god in 40k. You’ve got the chaos gods, powerful manifestations of emotions in the warp. You’ve got the emperor, a corpse on a seat, you’ve got c’tan, smashed up entities called gods but were they? And you’ve got the dead eldar gods, possibly one alive hiding in the webway and another being possibly born.

Out of all of the the corpse on a seat sounds least god like. Just because you are worshipped like a god doesn’t make you one. I dint think the emperor is a god.

Andykp wrote:
What is a god in 40k. You’ve got the chaos gods, powerful manifestations of emotions in the warp. You’ve got the emperor, a corpse on a seat, you’ve got c’tan, smashed up entities called gods but were they? And you’ve got the dead eldar gods, possibly one alive hiding in the webway and another being possibly born.

Out of all of the the corpse on a seat sounds least god like. Just because you are worshipped like a god doesn’t make you one. I dint think the emperor is a god.

You left out Gork and Mork, who regularly beat up the chaos gods and take their lunch money lol.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Andykp wrote:
What is a god in 40k. You’ve got the chaos gods, powerful manifestations of emotions in the warp. You’ve got the emperor, a corpse on a seat, you’ve got c’tan, smashed up entities called gods but were they? And you’ve got the dead eldar gods, possibly one alive hiding in the webway and another being possibly born.

Out of all of the the corpse on a seat sounds least god like. Just because you are worshipped like a god doesn’t make you one. I dint think the emperor is a god.

You left out Gork and Mork, who regularly beat up the chaos gods and take their lunch money lol.

I love Gork and Mork.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Andykp wrote:
What is a god in 40k. You’ve got the chaos gods, powerful manifestations of emotions in the warp. You’ve got the emperor, a corpse on a seat, you’ve got c’tan, smashed up entities called gods but were they? And you’ve got the dead eldar gods, possibly one alive hiding in the webway and another being possibly born.

Out of all of the the corpse on a seat sounds least god like. Just because you are worshipped like a god doesn’t make you one. I dint think the emperor is a god.

You left out Gork and Mork, who regularly beat up the chaos gods and take their lunch money lol.

This sums it up. God's aren't all powerful. They're just entities that can be rationally explained. Just as the emperor wanted.

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

TarkinLarson wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Andykp wrote:
What is a god in 40k. You’ve got the chaos gods, powerful manifestations of emotions in the warp. You’ve got the emperor, a corpse on a seat, you’ve got c’tan, smashed up entities called gods but were they? And you’ve got the dead eldar gods, possibly one alive hiding in the webway and another being possibly born.

Out of all of the the corpse on a seat sounds least god like. Just because you are worshipped like a god doesn’t make you one. I dint think the emperor is a god.

You left out Gork and Mork, who regularly beat up the chaos gods and take their lunch money lol.

This sums it up. God's aren't all powerful. They're just entities that can be rationally explained. Just as the emperor wanted.

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

He was implied to be Jesus and other figures, never outright confirmed.



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TarkinLarson wrote:
Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?
I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

Original fluff from Rogue Trader era was that the Emperor was basically every religious figure you've ever heard of, as he kept trying to come up with a system of social and moral philosophy that would protect humanity from the influence of Chaos. They all failed, of course, because "influence of Chaos" = "basic human nature".

In modern fluff, GW is smart enough to stay the hell away from that whole potential PR nightmare, so all you get are vague allusions.

TarkinLarson wrote:

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

GW has widely stayed away from that particular can of worms.

TarkinLarson wrote:

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

It was hinted in old fluff but not specifically stated IIRC. Newer fluff has again stayed clear of any outright claims of previous identities.

 Karhedron wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

GW has widely stayed away from that particular can of worms.

TarkinLarson wrote:

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

It was hinted in old fluff but not specifically stated IIRC. Newer fluff has again stayed clear of any outright claims of previous identities.

Old fluff? Its from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.

Onething123456 wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

GW has widely stayed away from that particular can of worms.

TarkinLarson wrote:

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

It was hinted in old fluff but not specifically stated IIRC. Newer fluff has again stayed clear of any outright claims of previous identities.

Old fluff? Its from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.

Yep. Old.

Andykp wrote:

Onething123456 wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

Now I wonder what place the abrahamic god has in 40k. Was that explained as the Emperor or some other manifestations of warp entities?

GW has widely stayed away from that particular can of worms.

TarkinLarson wrote:

I guess it's hinted that the Emperor tried to influence humanity throughout history. Could he also have been Jesus or Buddha etc?

It was hinted in old fluff but not specifically stated IIRC. Newer fluff has again stayed clear of any outright claims of previous identities.

Old fluff? Its from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.

Yep. Old.

Its lore from 1st Edition Rogue Trader. "Old" does not cut it.