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When 8th edition came out, I remember reading either in an article on the warhammer community website or white dwarf that normal "old" marines could be upgraded possibly to primaris variants. I don't have a link as it was just a single sentance out of all the prerelease hype but I'm sure it was floated as an idea by one of the GW designers in the interview. Did they ever follow that blurb up with anything more in any of the marine codex books or Black Library novels in the year since?

It was said by some nobody on the design team and no one else at warhammerfest or some such.
And never mentioned again... Ever.

However, they still mentioned it.

I count it as canon, and if not canon, my headcanon. No-one's denied it, and it's hardly been enough time elapsed to say "it's outdated". Besides, it was my main reason for starting a new Primaris Chapter.

Again, how many Primaris exclusive books have there been since the Gathering Storm?

 warboss wrote:
When 8th edition came out, I remember reading either in an article on the warhammer community website or white dwarf that normal "old" marines could be upgraded possibly to primaris variants. I don't have a link as it was just a single sentance out of all the prerelease hype but I'm sure it was floated as an idea by one of the GW designers in the interview. Did they ever follow that blurb up with anything more in any of the marine codex books or Black Library novels in the year since?

They've most likely gone silent on it, because people like myself saw that they are obviously going to replace old marines for Primaris; seeing that old characters are going to magically become Primaris. I've already started just Primaris and I convert other units from the old Space Wolves models, like TWC etc. Plus they just look so much cooler, old marines look like squats now. Not bothered about there height much, but now you realise how out of proportion they actually are.

I agree on their ultimate goal with them and also appreciate the new proportions. While I dislike their fluff, I appreciate the new models and don't think I could go back to getting excited about classic marines. During the initial announcement, I coined the term Adeptus Restartes and Secondus Marines due to my feelings on the court changes. I'd have preferred if Cawl just kept a secret stash of "pure" 30k marines and extra geneseed slowly grown in clones for 10k years and instead just made new tech for them to use.

The only potential part of their fluff that interested me was the part about upgrading standard marines.

 warboss wrote:
I agree on their ultimate goal with them and also appreciate the new proportions. While I dislike their fluff, I appreciate the new models and don't think I could go back to getting excited about classic marines. During the United announcement, I coined the term Adeptus Restartes and Secondus Marines due to my feelings on the court changes. I'd have preferred if Cawl just kept a secret stash of "pure" 30k marines and extra geneseed slowly grown in clones for 10k years and instead just made new tech for them to use.

The only potential part of their fluff that interested me was the part about upgrading standard marines.

They need to just cut the umbilical chord. They now; obviously, make most of their money from new models, which is just how their business model is looking now. They hardly update models in comparison to new units.

I'm calling it right now. They will never release another classic marine kit. The marine line will slowly be replaced by primaris models until there are no classic units left in the SM codex. Then the codex will simply be called 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes" again and GW will act like primaris were never a thing.

The only reason they are doing a gradual phase-out instead of just releaseing the primaris models as "new" SM models is so that the SM army isn't crippled by lack of units early on, and to avoid the massive fan backlash from people having their classic SM armies completely invalidated overnight.

They haven’t mentioned it again... yet. They’re ultimately still releasing Codexes to catch every faction up to where the story is at start of 8th. No reason they can’t decide to Primaris-ise heroes in Campaign books down the line, or in V2 Codexes.

w1zard wrote:
I'm calling it right now. They will never release another classic marine kit. The marine line will slowly be replaced by primaris models until there are no classic units left in the SM codex. Then the codex will simply be called 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes" again and GW will act like primaris were never a thing.

The only reason they are doing a gradual phase-out instead of just releaseing the primaris models as "new" SM models is so that the SM army isn't crippled by lack of units early on, and to avoid the massive fan backlash from people having their classic SM armies completely invalidated overnight.

Except, of course, for the once Japanese exclusive Space Marine Heroes, that are now coming to the rest of the world, too. That are 'classic' Marines.....

w1zard wrote:
I'm calling it right now. They will never release another classic marine kit. The marine line will slowly be replaced by primaris models until there are no classic units left in the SM codex. Then the codex will simply be called 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes" again and GW will act like primaris were never a thing.

The only reason they are doing a gradual phase-out instead of just releaseing the primaris models as "new" SM models is so that the SM army isn't crippled by lack of units early on, and to avoid the massive fan backlash from people having their classic SM armies completely invalidated overnight.

Nah I think they still want to sell the old models, they want the best of both worlds, Primaris are already and army, they can use all the same vehicles, though they might be replaceing all the old vehicles, which I really hope they don't, I love the humble predator/land raider etc.


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 totalfailure wrote:

w1zard wrote:
I'm calling it right now. They will never release another classic marine kit. The marine line will slowly be replaced by primaris models until there are no classic units left in the SM codex. Then the codex will simply be called 'Codex: Adeptus Astartes" again and GW will act like primaris were never a thing.

The only reason they are doing a gradual phase-out instead of just releaseing the primaris models as "new" SM models is so that the SM army isn't crippled by lack of units early on, and to avoid the massive fan backlash from people having their classic SM armies completely invalidated overnight.

Except, of course, for the once Japanese exclusive Space Marine Heroes, that are now coming to the rest of the world, too. That are 'classic' Marines.....

Those look like they cost a penny to make lol They are just looking to market to Japan.

I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

Awww you think they care in the slightest? GW will take everything you have and complain people don't love it.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

Awww you think they care in the slightest? GW will take everything you have and complain people don't love it.

Did I say that... No I didn't. Plus what is this supposed to mean: "take everything you have and complain people don't love it"

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

The writing is on the wall, they will be phasing out normal marines in the future, to think otherwise is just naive. I didn't give a time for when they'd phase them out so I don't know what you are arguing about, you are just arguing when you actually agree with me. Its greedy not informing the customers of their business plan. Classic marines aren't going anywhere bit they 'will' go in the future. I have already gone full Primaris, I convert models I need to and use primaris models for normal marine stat etc. Lots of people are doing that, whats the point of buying classic marines and painstakingly painting them just to throw them away or sell them in the future. We talked gak to one another in another thread, don't take it personally, I don't.

This question will matter more once all the Codexes have been released. Tooth and Claw sounds like a multi-box release that will include new models for various forces, and that's when they might start pushing bigger changes into the line.

The thing about Primaris Marines, they look a little too 'advanced' to be compatible with the existing range. I'm not convinced everyone would be into the aesthetic and want to give up their own models. It makes me think we really can't guess at what GW is going to do, if they will keep Primaris separate and still have regular Marines or if they will try to replace.

 techsoldaten wrote:
This question will matter more once all the Codexes have been released. Tooth and Claw sounds like a multi-box release that will include new models for various forces, and that's when they might start pushing bigger changes into the line.

The thing about Primaris Marines, they look a little too 'advanced' to be compatible with the existing range. I'm not convinced everyone would be into the aesthetic and want to give up their own models. It makes me think we really can't guess at what GW is going to do, if they will keep Primaris separate and still have regular Marines or if they will try to replace.

A hell of a lot of people, including myself, think classic marines look terrible in comparison to Primaris now, never realised how bad the proportions were on them, plus they are really short now as well. Primaris actually look like SM's. So I wouldn't bet on people not giving up there models at some point.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

The writing is on the wall, they will be phasing out normal marines in the future, to think otherwise is just naive. I didn't give a time for when they'd phase them out so I don't know what you are arguing about, you are just arguing when you actually agree with me. Its greedy not informing the customers of their business plan. Classic marines aren't going anywhere bit they 'will' go in the future. I have already gone full Primaris, I convert models I need to and use primaris models for normal marine stat etc. Lots of people are doing that, whats the point of buying classic marines and painstakingly painting them just to throw them away or sell them in the future. We talked gak to one another in another thread, don't take it personally, I don't.

That's like saying eventually the weather will change. I mean, yeah... eventually gak is gonna get replaced. Remember what Dark Eldar used to look like?

 darkcloak wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

The writing is on the wall, they will be phasing out normal marines in the future, to think otherwise is just naive. I didn't give a time for when they'd phase them out so I don't know what you are arguing about, you are just arguing when you actually agree with me. Its greedy not informing the customers of their business plan. Classic marines aren't going anywhere bit they 'will' go in the future. I have already gone full Primaris, I convert models I need to and use primaris models for normal marine stat etc. Lots of people are doing that, whats the point of buying classic marines and painstakingly painting them just to throw them away or sell them in the future. We talked gak to one another in another thread, don't take it personally, I don't.

That's like saying eventually the weather will change. I mean, yeah... eventually gak is gonna get replaced. Remember what Dark Eldar used to look like?

There is still a lot of denial, a lot of people are not ready to say good bye to their armies, there is a lot of time and money invested in them. Its happened throughout the editions but SM's have never really changed that much, a good few 2nd/3rd edition models look just as good recent ones so they've had a long time of the usual stuff so people have large SM armies. Make a thread about it, you'll see the denial.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

The writing is on the wall, they will be phasing out normal marines in the future, to think otherwise is just naive. I didn't give a time for when they'd phase them out so I don't know what you are arguing about, you are just arguing when you actually agree with me. Its greedy not informing the customers of their business plan. Classic marines aren't going anywhere bit they 'will' go in the future. I have already gone full Primaris, I convert models I need to and use primaris models for normal marine stat etc. Lots of people are doing that, whats the point of buying classic marines and painstakingly painting them just to throw them away or sell them in the future. We talked gak to one another in another thread, don't take it personally, I don't.

That's like saying eventually the weather will change. I mean, yeah... eventually gak is gonna get replaced. Remember what Dark Eldar used to look like?

There is still a lot of denial, a lot of people are not ready to say good bye to their armies, there is a lot of time and money invested in them. Its happened throughout the editions but SM's have never really changed that much, a good few 2nd/3rd edition models look just as good recent ones so they've had a long time of the usual stuff so people have large SM armies. Make a thread about it, you'll see the denial.

There's no denial, people just don't think Primaris are going to replace standard Marines anytime soon. Because GW can make plenty of money selling both. Yet again the basic tac squad box is only about Five years old. there's plenty of life in that, Gw's not going to phase it out for a brand new type of marine if they don't have to the smart thing, to do is just sell both. That's not naked greed so much as it is basic fething busniess sense.

you make it sounds like old school marines are desined to be gone by 9th edition. I doubt that very much, it'll proably be a decade or more before they're gone.

I have no doubt they'll be replaced, eventually. But regular marines will be around until they stop making money. There's anecdotal, and I stress anecdotal, evidence to suggest Primaris haven't set the world alight sales wise. There's also the effect that invalidating much-loved armies and lore had on how AoS launched.

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

That is not what I meant, I meant that GW isn't going to be designing any old scale space marine kits from here on. Any "new" releases from here onwards are going to be primaris only. They will still produce and sell old scale marines until primaris marines can stand on their own as an army and then they will slowly start turning down production until they finally stop.

GW is phasing out oldscale marines. It's going to happen slowly but it is happening.

Eventually there were be a SM codex release that is purely going to be primaris stuff, except that they wont call them "primaris space marines" anymore, they will just call them "space marines". Thinking that there is going to be a divide between primaris and regular marines indefinitely is extremely naive.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I tend to agree GW's not going to be in a hurry to replace old Marines. The old marine kits are too new. I mean the MK3 kit is only 2 years old, the MK IV, devestator and assault marine kits? 3 years old. the basic MK VIII Tac squad kit? about 5 years old.

They are just being greedy though, they should just be straight with us. Say these models will be replaced by Primaris but you can continue to use all the old marines etc. and continue to make rules. People that don't see the writing on the wall are going to keep wasting money on models that in the future will be replaced. Its a bit unfair to those people.

except the writing ISN'T on the wall. As I said the basic SM kits are too new, given the cost that goes into production of plastic kits, it would hardly be greedy to produce a bunch when you're talking about phasing them out. Between that and the pains GW took to ensure Primaris where not a "Straight up upgrade" I'm not too worried about the future of old school marines. GW'lll continue to squeeze the profits out of them as much as they can, will the focus shift to Primaris Marines? yes, don't expect to see any story packs containing old marines, stuff like tooth and talon will be all about the Primaris from here on out. but classic Marines aren't going anywhere, or at least won't until GW feels they're no longer making them money. So long as we keep buying em GW'll keep making em

The writing is on the wall, they will be phasing out normal marines in the future, to think otherwise is just naive. I didn't give a time for when they'd phase them out so I don't know what you are arguing about, you are just arguing when you actually agree with me. Its greedy not informing the customers of their business plan. Classic marines aren't going anywhere bit they 'will' go in the future. I have already gone full Primaris, I convert models I need to and use primaris models for normal marine stat etc. Lots of people are doing that, whats the point of buying classic marines and painstakingly painting them just to throw them away or sell them in the future. We talked gak to one another in another thread, don't take it personally, I don't.

That's like saying eventually the weather will change. I mean, yeah... eventually gak is gonna get replaced. Remember what Dark Eldar used to look like?

There is still a lot of denial, a lot of people are not ready to say good bye to their armies, there is a lot of time and money invested in them. Its happened throughout the editions but SM's have never really changed that much, a good few 2nd/3rd edition models look just as good recent ones so they've had a long time of the usual stuff so people have large SM armies. Make a thread about it, you'll see the denial.

There's no denial, people just don't think Primaris are going to replace standard Marines anytime soon. Because GW can make plenty of money selling both. Yet again the basic tac squad box is only about Five years old. there's plenty of life in that, Gw's not going to phase it out for a brand new type of marine if they don't have to the smart thing, to do is just sell both. That's not naked greed so much as it is basic fething busniess sense.

you make it sounds like old school marines are desined to be gone by 9th edition. I doubt that very much, it'll proably be a decade or more before they're gone.

People that think classic SM's are going to stick around for as long as Primaris are either in denial or are naive, I think everyone should know that they will end up replacing them. .
I don't make it sound like that at all I said in the future, where have I suggest or even implied a given time frame... If they were gone in 9th I wouldn't be wanting GW to cut the umbilical chord. Yeha its good business sense, doesn't make it right and if its not right in my opinion its greed. Its duping people into choosing a product that won't last but they are marketing the product like its going to last, even know they know its not. Why are you getting angry?

Speculation aside, right now the only official statement from GW is that Primaris are reinforcements and not replacements. That's backed-up by Codex: Space Marines having 14 Primaris units out of 85, and Codex: Space Wolves including regular SM units that haven't been available to Space Wolves before as well as the new Primaris units. If GW are encouraging SW players to buy new regular SM units then I don't see any particular push to phase them out.

One thing I see hindering GWs plan of eventually switching primaris into truescale marine is Horus Heresy - as they still plan to release more books and models for that, and marines in 30k are oldscale, and if HH era continues to remain profitable they'll no doubt continue it with The Scouring era. I mean, they've even made 30k citadel miniatures.

GW could a horror scenario in their heads - one in which little Timmy and his mom go to a store to check out this "Warhammers" thing, and then get confused by the size difference 30k and 40k marines and the storeclerk trying to explain that 40k marines were once this seperate thing called "Primaris Marines", and just get turned off and buy a video game.

 Brother Castor wrote:
Speculation aside, right now the only official statement from GW is that Primaris are reinforcements and not replacements. That's backed-up by Codex: Space Marines having 14 Primaris units out of 85, and Codex: Space Wolves including regular SM units that haven't been available to Space Wolves before as well as the new Primaris units. If GW are encouraging SW players to buy new regular SM units then I don't see any particular push to phase them out.

Yeah but they are redoing all the CSM models, they are refurbishing their catalogue, its what business' have to do, keeping up with the times, so its pretty obvious that in the future they'll so away with classic marines. Its a model company and the models now have to look as good as the technology allows and classic marines don't really cut it, especially since they are trying to market to new players. I've been playing since 2nd edition so I've always thought marines looked awesome but when I saw them compared to Primaris I was actually shocked at how bad they looked, proportion and scale wise, they sculpts are create though not gaking on the talent of the sculptors as they have a certain template they have to work with. So for new players, they probably don't think SM's look that good but for us older players we never saw it. Though SM's are still the most popular so I don't know how much that has to do with new or old players. I'm not really bothered though as I'm not just Primarising all my models because I'm sure the change will happen, I'm doing it because they just look how SM's should. Plus using current bits/FW stuff you can convert anything, devestators, etc I've even done Primaris TWC, they don't look that bad, I love converting so I'm like a pig and gak since the Primaris were released.

The Ragnar model is pretty gak, I'll be re-doing that one.

the ancient wrote:
It was said by some nobody on the design team and no one else at warhammerfest or some such.
And never mentioned again... Ever.

That 'nobody' was Pete Foley, the lead designer of 8th edition...

I think he said it too soon, and that's why they're keeping quiet about it now. The upgrade process is for keeping some of the old characters around when the time comes to phase out the old marines.

 Crimson wrote:

the ancient wrote:
It was said by some nobody on the design team and no one else at warhammerfest or some such.
And never mentioned again... Ever.

That 'nobody' was Pete Foley, the lead designer of 8th edition...

I think he said it too soon, and that's why they're keeping quiet about it now. The upgrade process is for keeping some of the old characters around when the time comes to phase out the old marines.

100% agree with this. They wrote in a ‘back door’ so they can upgrade peeps they want to keep or enhance.

I remember it being mentioned on a twitch stream with Andy Smillie. He said he was going to go over it in future Flesh Tearer books, so be on the look out for those.