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I noticed today that both sets are no longer available on GW's site. Haven't seen any official sources yet though a few blogs have commented on it?

Anyone know if this is permanent? Are we about to lose what is arguably the most cost-efficient set GW's ever produced?
   
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England

Just checked the Uk site, also gone. All the regular third party sites I use state it as available to order, but don't have any stock.

Is heresy dead now?

Between last chance to buy, the price hikes for overseas players and now the most cost effective way to get started disappearing GW seem to be doing everything they can to kill off the game.

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 BlaxicanX wrote:
I noticed today that both sets are no longer available on GW's site. Haven't seen any official sources yet though a few blogs have commented on it?

Anyone know if this is permanent? Are we about to lose what is arguably the most cost-efficient set GW's ever produced?


Thanks for the report just bought mine for 120$ Sooooo buy buy buy buy

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Burning-of-Prospero-ENG

YEP ITS GONE

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I'm surprised they kept the big boxes around for this long given that they were already selling the models separately.

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 Tamereth wrote:
Just checked the Uk site, also gone. All the regular third party sites I use state it as available to order, but don't have any stock.

Is heresy dead now?

Between last chance to buy, the price hikes for overseas players and now the most cost effective way to get started disappearing GW seem to be doing everything they can to kill off the game.

I'd hate to see that come to pass but with each move the ominous sense of a "due to the lack of interest..." situation looms larger.

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I suspect they where ended more because they where insanely good deals. Calith was pretty much the "if you want to start a marine army start here!" box.

they're listed as "sold out online" on the canadian GW store

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When it comes to GWs boxed games it seems they are all about releasing them, grabbing the cash while its hot, and bumming out a little while later. I also heard both warhammer quest boxes were discontinued as well. This is disturbing to me, they will obviously be replaced by rogue trader and the 40k WHQ. And then what next, those games will also go down the crapper. Cause GW has a long history of poorly supporting their games. AT, Necromunda, BB, Epic, Mordheim, shadow war, gangs of commoragh, I could keep on going have all been discontinued in the past. I don't know why people think good ol GW is not alive and well.

 
   
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Yup, they've gone out of print, expect them to be completely gone by october.
The standard 30k plastics will still be around though.

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should not be hard to get them on second hand though.
   
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 Thargrim wrote:
When it comes to GWs boxed games it seems they are all about releasing them, grabbing the cash while its hot, and bumming out a little while later. I also heard both warhammer quest boxes were discontinued as well. This is disturbing to me, they will obviously be replaced by rogue trader and the 40k WHQ. And then what next, those games will also go down the crapper. Cause GW has a long history of poorly supporting their games. AT, Necromunda, BB, Epic, Mordheim, shadow war, gangs of commoragh, I could keep on going have all been discontinued in the past. I don't know why people think good ol GW is not alive and well.


That's mostly down to them not being a games system and just one off board games. Necromunda, Bloodbowl, shade spire and Titanicus are new systems that will be supported. The one off games such as that flyer and Knights one they did was just a way to sell models to 40k players fast as they got a good deal. The game was just a bonus.


 
   
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It’s usually the board game bits that go out of print. GW don’t make them and order those components in minimum runs of thousands of copies (that’s why every card/paper part of shrink-wrapped together in the box).

So, if they don’t think they’ll sell another 5000 or 10000 or whatever, they don’t order them and let the game sell out. All the GW-produced components are available as separate model kits now anyway.

I don’t think that signals some intentional killing-off of the Heresy, but I do think it adds to the idea that GW very much see Heresy as a niche expansion like LOTR rather than a main line like 40k, and given that we had a few years at the end of 7ed with lots and lots of support, this certainly feels like a downgrade.

   
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 ArbitorIan wrote:
It’s usually the board game bits that go out of print. GW don’t make them and order those components in minimum runs of thousands of copies (that’s why every card/paper part of shrink-wrapped together in the box).

So, if they don’t think they’ll sell another 5000 or 10000 or whatever, they don’t order them and let the game sell out. All the GW-produced components are available as separate model kits now anyway.

I don’t think that signals some intentional killing-off of the Heresy, but I do think it adds to the idea that GW very much see Heresy as a niche expansion like LOTR rather than a main line like 40k, and given that we had a few years at the end of 7ed with lots and lots of support, this certainly feels like a downgrade.


True, but WHQ silver tower went bye bye and that has models like the grot scuttlings only available in that box. They also discontinued resin MK II armor for the HH, without a plastic kit to compensate. That armor is the iconic look for the late great crusade and istvaan conflicts, they should have done a plastic kit for MK II years ago. I would hate to be a HH player right now.

 
   
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This is very very sad. You might think something will be there forever and then poof gone.

I have bought 4 copies of BaC and 1 copy of BoP. All with quite a discount. This is enough for my army but if i ever needed more then i guess i would have to improvise.
   
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Prosperos we such a good deal to get cheap Custodes Now they cost like what... 45 euros, or 36 with 20% discount. Pshh.

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Heard from a UK player as well that any remaining stock in the GW stores there has to be returned to Nottingham after Friday. . The card and paper bits will likely end up in the recycle bin, and the minis will be saved to fill up Heresy squad boxes as needed. Maybe if there are enough, Ahriman and Wolf Dude will get a seperate release at last...
   
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Just grabbed two Prospero sets quickly. Thank Cthulu I saw the thread!


 
   
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There goes any reason to start getting into the Horus Heresy. The discount on those boxes actually made it viable.

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With the disappearance of a lot of stuff off FW recently as well as these boxes going away, is anyone else concerned that GW may be giving up on the HH era completely?

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 ServiceGames wrote:
With the disappearance of a lot of stuff off FW recently as well as these boxes going away, is anyone else concerned that GW may be giving up on the HH era completely?

SG


I've been wondering that as well. Was thinking of getting myself an Emperor's Children army, but I've noticed they are not selling the torsos anymore. I am worried they'll stop making the heads and shoulder pads soon so I feel rushed to get myself a few pairs.
   
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 ServiceGames wrote:
With the disappearance of a lot of stuff off FW recently as well as these boxes going away, is anyone else concerned that GW may be giving up on the HH era completely?

SG


They’ve outright said they’re not doing this, and will continue to support it. But it’s also seems that post-8ed and AoS, they’re most likely under pressure to continue their original brief and actually support GWs main systems rather than just making their own. While everything used the same rules, it could be argued that those were the same thing, but since the decision to keep HH in 7ed, that doesn’t really work any more.

I can see HH staying supported, but to the level of LOTR or something - not to the level is has been in the last few years.


   
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 ServiceGames wrote:
With the disappearance of a lot of stuff off FW recently as well as these boxes going away, is anyone else concerned that GW may be giving up on the HH era completely?

SG


Not really. The boxes going away means nothing for support. Hardly anyone bought them as games, they were really just discount bundles on the 30k/40k model kits with some extra cardboard garbage to throw away as soon as you open the box. All of the models are still available, the only loss is the bundle discount. And package deals appear and disappear all the time, the fact that this one had a limited (but fairly long) run doesn't at all mean a loss of support. It's not time to get concerned until/unless some of the model kits start going OOP.

Similarly, the FW kits going OOP aren't a significant indicator. Most of them were kits that were made redundant by having plastic versions available. It's annoying if you like resin better, but discontinuing a slight variant of a kit that likely had very poor sales is not an indication of dropping support for the product line as a whole.

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Sadly kills any ideas I had about getting into HH. I would like to be optimistic and imagine a MkII, or a MKV, or a MkVI boxed game, but I think that's unlikely.

Luckily I finished my 40K (HH based) army more or less before this happened. My entire army is MkIII, and MkIV
   
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 ArbitorIan wrote:


They’ve outright said they’re not doing this, and will continue to support it.
I mean... if they did decide to kill it, do you think they would unironically state in broad daylight "yeah we're just going to kill Forgeworld's biggest project feth it"?

Or would they say whatever gives them the best PR, while slowly suffocating the baby in its crib?

Because that's what I'm seeing.
   
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 ArbitorIan wrote:

I can see HH staying supported, but to the level of LOTR or something - not to the level is has been in the last few years.


Which might not be so bad. If HH is going to stay 7th then it only needs a new starter set just like LOTR now has.

I would personally like a new edition, a new opening of Horus Heresy to bring in new players. Something beetwen 7th and 8th. However with the drop of sales recently i just dont see HH getting revitalised like this. They must have changed plans after success of 8th. However there is still room for a more mature and complicated edition in the player base. Depending on where 8th will go Horus Heresy might get popular again.
   
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 BlaxicanX wrote:
Because that's what I'm seeing.


Then you must not be looking very hard. Ending a discount bundle deal is not "suffocating the baby in its crib".

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Glumy wrote:

I would personally like a new edition, a new opening of Horus Heresy to bring in new players. Something beetwen 7th and 8th. However with the drop of sales recently i just dont see HH getting revitalised like this. They must have changed plans after success of 8th. However there is still room for a more mature and complicated edition in the player base. Depending on where 8th will go Horus Heresy might get popular again.


Maybe - I don't think we should underestimate the draw HH had when it and 40k shared both a system and a set of models (and when those models were available in cheap starter sets). For a couple of years, you could buy a Heresy army for roughly the same price as a 40k one, play it against other Heresy armies if there are other players in your area, play it against 40k armies if there aren't AND still use it in 40k as a 40k Marine army, all using the same basic ruleset with only a few modifications. That's a really big selling point.

The 7ed thing and the loss of cheap starter sets really decreases that selling point. For the part of the existing HH playerbase who don't like 40k 8ed anyway, that's fine - they can keep playing and griping about how 8ed is 'kiddy hammer'. But If they want to play 40k too (for whatever reason, including local game availability) then the split of rules makes just playing 8ed 40k a more attractive option, and obviously if they're completely new players, Heresy is back to being the expensive, specialist game that less people want to buy into.

I personally think GW's plans have changed to make it more of an intentional LOTR 'specialist game' setup, at least for the meantime - keep selling models to the existing player base, make it possible for people to still get into it if they really, really want to, but basically just keep it ticking along for a while. However, if they do this for too long I can see it having the same issues as WHFB had - so dauntingly big and complex it had fewer and fewer new players. At that point, I think a switch to 8ed is inevitable. I agree they COULD do a 7ed/8ed mix, but that doesn't solve any of the problems above unless it's basically 8ed with a couple of changes.

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 ArbitorIan wrote:

The 7ed thing and the loss of cheap starter sets really decreases that selling point. For the part of the existing HH playerbase who don't like 40k 8ed anyway, that's fine - they can keep playing and griping about how 8ed is 'kiddy hammer'. But If they want to play 40k too (for whatever reason, including local game availability) then the split of rules makes just playing 8ed 40k a more attractive option, and obviously if they're completely new players, Heresy is back to being the expensive, specialist game that less people want to buy into.


Thats basically what i think. In order to increase player base Horus Heresy need a revamp. Either going 8th or something new. New edition always bring attention.

Staying 7th despite many HH players saying they like it is a slow death of the system. In order to increase playerbase HH has to change.

Unless suddenly 8th gets too much bloated and many players will be bored of the new edition. I dont see it.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

I agree they COULD do a 7ed/8ed mix, but that doesn't solve any of the problems above unless it's basically 8ed with a couple of changes.
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Not necessarily. Yes we would still have 2 kind of group not 1 but there are people who would like to still use templates or making their vehicles lose weapons. They just recently released Kill Team which uses a modified ruleset so it is possible. If they released something like advanced 8th for Horus Heresy it would gain attention by many new players. Especially if they made possible to play against regular 40k codexes.
   
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Glumy wrote:

Not necessarily. Yes we would still have 2 kind of group not 1 but there are people who would like to still use templates or making their vehicles lose weapons. They just recently released Kill Team which uses a modified ruleset so it is possible. If they released something like advanced 8th for Horus Heresy it would gain attention by many new players. Especially if they made possible to play against regular 40k codexes.


Actually, yeah, that sound like it would be the best way to do it.

Advanced 8ed - make the army lists entirely 8ed compatible, but The Age of Darkness ruleset (for when you want to play full Heresy) includes some extra detail on top, like Kill Team. Also, might sell better to the 7ed crowd who still get to think they're playing the 'adult' version




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 ArbitorIan wrote:
Glumy wrote:

Not necessarily. Yes we would still have 2 kind of group not 1 but there are people who would like to still use templates or making their vehicles lose weapons. They just recently released Kill Team which uses a modified ruleset so it is possible. If they released something like advanced 8th for Horus Heresy it would gain attention by many new players. Especially if they made possible to play against regular 40k codexes.


Actually, yeah, that sound like it would be the best way to do it.

Advanced 8ed - make the army lists entirely 8ed compatible, but The Age of Darkness ruleset (for when you want to play full Heresy) includes some extra detail on top, like Kill Team. Also, might sell better to the 7ed crowd who still get to think they're playing the 'adult' version

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They wouldn't have to do too much.

Convert the thing to 8th, then expand the cover rules, make some of the existing abilities USR(should be easier to handle in 8th HH due to all marine armies). The only thing I would be concerned about lashback is templates and vehicle facing. Vehicle Facing is an easy addon rule, but templates kinda go against 8th edition rules.

To be honest I feel like Templates, Vehicle Facing, and Cover are the biggest thing going for HH for people who are really into that.
   
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I don't think FW/GW is really interested in growing the HH game. Plenty of money to be made selling to the niche group of diehards (*cough* Warlord sales numbers *cough*) and I think they're fine with that.

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