Iron Fist Season 2.

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Well folks, it’s released on Friday in its entirety.

And according to Den Of Geek, it’s a significant improvement over the somewhat lacklustre first season. Indeed, seems there’s better and more fighting in just the first episode than the entirety of Season 1!

I for one shall be watching,

**Yodhrin**

I maintain that the first season wasn't actually that bad, despite the obvious flaws, but there's no denying Danny's been improving as a character each time he shows up and it's good to hear they've put a bit more emphasis on and effort into the martial arts in a martial arts show.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yodhrin wrote:
I maintain that the first season wasn't actually that bad...

You can maintain that all you like, but it was an awful show. Not Inhumans level bad, which is where the show runner went next, but it was and intensely bad experience from start to finish that squandered almost all its potential at every juncture.

I have decent hopes for the second season though.

**Yodhrin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
I maintain that the first season wasn't actually that bad...
You can maintain that all you like, but it was an awful show. Not Inhumans level bad, which is where the show runner went next, but it was and intensely bad experience from start to finish that squandered almost all its potential at every juncture.

I have decent hopes for the second season though.

See, that's what I'm talking about. Nobody is pretending S1 was primo television, but the massive hyperbole people use to describe a show that most of us would have almost-literally killed for back in the Dark Days when most nerdy TV was an actual, literal joke(as in, the people making it saw it as laughable and that very much came through in the final product) is just silly. It wasn't as good as the other superhero shows on TV right now, and it didn't live up to the premise. It was not "like, the wurst TV show EVAH" etc.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Whilst it’s not one I’ve rewatched at all, my recollection is as if someone had chosen to edit out all the punch ups. It just never really quite got into gear, and made its leading man look utterly lost.

At first I thought it was the actor. But given Defenders and Season 2 of Luke Cage, it definitely seems it was a show runner issue.

**LunarSol**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
it definitely seems it was a show runner issue.

Have you seen that guy's resume?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Nope!

**LunarSol**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nope!

He took over as showrunner for the last three seasons of Dexter before moving on to do Iron Fist and Inhumans for Marvel.

**Easy E**

I will take Iron Fist S1 over Arrow, Flash, and Legends of Derp (I mean Tomorrow) anyday. of. the. week.

**gorgon**

I think season 1 had some legitimate issues. That being said, it also suffered from a critical pile-on. As Easy E said, it's not like it was the derpiest superhero show on television.

I'm looking forward to season 2. The reviews I've read suggest it's 'better but not great', but we'll see. I never thought there was anything wrong with season 1 that wasn't fixable. Including the lead actor. He's no great thespian, but he'd be fine for a superhero TV show if given a decent script and direction.

**pix3lboy**

I tried so hard to like Iron Fist but it bored me so much. I loved Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage but I just couldn't get through IF.

I ended up just skipping the last few episodes and moving on to The Defenders which I actually enjoyed for the most part (too much focus on Electra in my opinion though). Still need to watch JJ and LC series 2 but I feel like the Netflix Marvel shows have run out of steam a little

**H.B.M.C.**

I'm half-way through. It's far more subdued than the first season, but there isn't this overarching sense of everything's about to explode and only Danny can save the world.

Plus he's not constantly screeching "I am the immortal Iron Fist!" to everyone. He's sure of himself, and isn't having flashbacks to his mother being sucked out of a plane.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Only on episode three, but already feels like there’s an actual point to this season!

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

On the 10th and final episode.

A big improvement upon Season 1. And a great joy to not have any Hand drivel hanging over from Defenders.

Being shorter than most Netflix seasons I feel has only benefitted. No sense of filler, and the plots move along quite nicely.

Action is a lot better. Whilst not quite as bonkers as Daredevil’s shenanigans, the fights still feel visceral and painful - helped by the characters actually getting injured, bloodied, battered and bruised.

Overall, not as good as Daredevil still, but i definitely feel it was worth watching.

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That’s that done then.

Ending is pretty superb in my book, so much so I’m looking forward to Season 3!

**H.B.M.C.**

The ending doesn't make sense, at least as far as Danny's arc goes. How does he do that at the end???

Anyway, finished the season. Much improved over Season 1 (not that that'd be hard - I'd rather watch Arrow Seasons 3 and 4 over Iron Fist Season 1), and certainly stronger without the need to pad out to 13 episodes (only Punisher has used 13 episodes effectively, and Luke Cage Season 2 to some degree).

What I said about it being 'subdued' is correct. It does take a while to work out what the season is meant to be about, other than Joy/Davos blindsiding Danny/Ward, which happens quite early on (for the most part).

Coleen is great. Misty was great. Danny wasn't a petulant child having hissy fits every 10 seconds. Overall I liked it.

**AegisGrimm**

I am just starting watching it, and the fight in the first five minutes is nearly as good as the last fight we all had to watch and wait the entire S1 for. I like the new confident Danny over whiny Danny.

**Yodhrin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
The ending doesn't make sense, at least as far as Danny's arc goes. How does he do that at the end???

Spoilery response to why:

Spoiler:

Spoilery answer to "how he do that?":

Spoiler:

I imagine we'll get some part of the "months later..." gap in Season 3 if that happens.

**H.B.M.C.**

Yodhrin wrote:

Spoiler:

It makes a lot more sense when viewed as a pre-emptive attempt to shut down the "OMG SJWs ARE MAKING DANNY A SIDE-CUCK!!!!11" brigade who're not aware of the bits of the comics that they're(very, very loosely) adapting, as without a little "no, no, it's fine, Danny gets his glowy-fist Chi thing back later, chill" sequence they'd undoubtedly have assumed this was some Progressive conspiracy to make Iron Fist an Asian woman rather than an Evil White Male(not that there weren't a few "think"pieces floating around Season 1 whinging about "cultural appropriation" and "white saviour" guff).

Yeah... that thought didn't even cross my mind even once.

**Yodhrin**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:

Spoiler:

It makes a lot more sense when viewed as a pre-emptive attempt to shut down the "OMG SJWs ARE MAKING DANNY A SIDE-CUCK!!!!11" brigade who're not aware of the bits of the comics that they're(very, very loosely) adapting, as without a little "no, no, it's fine, Danny gets his glowy-fist Chi thing back later, chill" sequence they'd undoubtedly have assumed this was some Progressive conspiracy to make Iron Fist an Asian woman rather than an Evil White Male(not that there weren't a few "think"pieces floating around Season 1 whinging about "cultural appropriation" and "white saviour" guff).

Yeah... that thought didn't even cross my mind even once.

Not saying it did, but it's easy to imagine the writers closing out the season on the first ending beat and then thinking "Oh wait, we'd better let people know this isn't a permanent state of affairs so the other half of the Outrage Brigade don't gak their pants.".

**VictorVonTzeentch**

I kinda got that it wasnt a permanent state of affairs just by his conversation with Ward before getting on the plane.

All in all I thought the season was pretty solid, I didnt really have any complaints with the characters, enjoyed the end and the direction that everything is seeming to go.

**gorgon**

I'm about halfway through, and so far I think it's a much-improved show. The fights are better, but more importantly the writing seems to be better. That results in better performances and themes.

**Gitzbitah**

Just finished it this morning. A thoroughly entertaining, very enjoyable show! This cast has really grown into their own with their chemistry.

My only regret is that there was much less swordplay- Colleen taking hordes of people apart with her katana was definitely one of the highlights of season 1 for me. Overall though, vastly improved from their first outing.

**AduroT**

Spoiler:

**insaniak**

Yodhrin wrote:

Spoiler:

It makes a lot more sense when viewed as a pre-emptive attempt to shut down the "OMG SJWs ARE MAKING DANNY A SIDE-CUCK!!!!11" brigade who're not aware of the bits of the comics that they're(very, very loosely) adapting, as without a little "no, no, it's fine, Danny gets his glowy-fist Chi thing back later, chill" sequence they'd undoubtedly have assumed this was some Progressive conspiracy to make Iron Fist an Asian woman rather than an Evil White Male(not that there weren't a few "think"pieces floating around Season 1 whinging about "cultural appropriation" and "white saviour" guff).

Spoiler:

**nels1031**

Looks like the solo Iron Fist series is cancelled.

Kind of cursed from the start, from the silly uproar over the casting of the main character, to suspect writing and acting. I didn’t dislike the first season, but it was all over the place. A family drama, a corporate drama, a romance, an origin story, a crime drama with some lackluster kung-fu spread out somewhat conservatively. Just felt out of focus to me.

Marvel’s Iron Fist won’t get a third season. Disney has confirmed that it has canceled the show, but hinted that it might not be the end of the road for the superhero.

Iron Fist is one of several in a joint Marvel/Netflix shared universe, set alongside Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, and The Punisher. It follows billionaire Danny Rand (Finn Jones), who reappears after vanishing fifteen years ago, who trained as a monk to become a martial arts master known as the Immortal Iron Fist. The series just aired its second season on Netflix back in September, and coupled with a new showrunner, it improved over its lackluster first season.

In a joint statement, Marvel and Netflix say that it’s thankful to the fans who watched the two seasons, and notes that “while the series on Netflix has ended, the immortal Iron Fist will live on.” The one-shot Defenders series aside, this marks the first time that one of the Netflix Marvel shows has been formally canceled, and the statement holds the door open for the possibility of more adventures for Colleen Wing and Danny Rand.

IT’S THE FIRST TIME ONE OF NETFLIX’S MARVEL SHOWS HAS GOTTEN THE AX
Deadline says that while it isn’t likely that the entire Marvel / Netflix shared universe will migrate over to Disney’s soon-to-come streaming platform, it’s possible that that Iron Fist might make the jump over. The platform is currently developing additional shows in the Marvel universe about Loki and the Scarlet Witch, as well as a forthcoming Star Wars show, The Mandalorian.

In a post to Instagram, series star Finn Jones thanked fans for their support, and likewise hinted that it wasn’t the end for the character, saying that “with every end is a new beginning.”

Moreover, Netflix has already locked in additional seasons for the rest of the shared universe: Daredevil’s third season will launch next week (and will likely be back for a fourth), Jessica Jones has already been renewed for a third season, The Punisher is getting a second season, and Luke Cage is expected to get a third season soon.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

It’s a shame. Second season was a vast improvement.

That being said, despite the last scenes being intriguing, in terms of character journey it’s perhaps not a bad place to leave off?

**Hanskrampf**

They should cancel Luke Cage too and already make a combined buddy series of the two.
It was the only good episode of LC S2 imo.

**Paradigm**

I could certainly go for a Heroes for Hire show that just pulled Danny, Luke, Misty and Coleen into the same sphere on a permanent basis, rather than the occasional crossover. It's a real shame to see Iron Fist go though, I loved both series and the end of the second set up so much intriguing stuff.

I wonder what the decision behind this is... Is it just based on response to the show or are Marvel going to kill off the Netflix series one by one before they launch their own streaming service on which they can relaunch them in slightly different guises? I get a very strong 'final season' vibe from Daredevil 's promotion, so I'd not be surprised if that ends there, JJ, Punisher and LC get one more series next year then it all gets moved over to their own service and we get another Defenders, or Heroes For Hire ect.

**Hanskrampf**

Paradigm wrote:
I could certainly go for a Heroes for Hire show that just pulled Danny, Luke, Misty and Coleen into the same sphere on a permanent basis, rather than the occasional crossover. It's a real shame to see Iron Fist go though, I loved both series and the end of the second set up so much intriguing stuff.

I wonder what the decision behind this is... Is it just based on response to the show or are Marvel going to kill off the Netflix series one by one before they launch their own streaming service on which they can relaunch them in slightly different guises? I get a very strong 'final season' vibe from Daredevil 's promotion, so I'd not be surprised if that ends there, JJ, Punisher and LC get one more series next year then it all gets moved over to their own service and we get another Defenders, or Heroes For Hire ect.

I thought Netflix confirmed that these shows will stay with them and only new shows are on the Disney platform?

**H.B.M.C.**

Luke's a bad guy now, so I don't know how they'd transition to Heroes For Hire without first resolving his plotline from Season 2.