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A local game store has a new dark vengeance box for $110.

I am playing Nurgle my wife is playing space wolves. I know the books are worthless, but how about the minis?

 Phobos wrote:
A local game store has a new dark vengeance box for $110.

I am playing Nurgle my wife is playing space wolves. I know the books are worthless, but how about the minis?

the Chaos stuff is alright, but the loyalist stuff has a lot of dark angel bling on it you'd have to carefully shave off etc. . IMHO you guys would be better off buying a copy of Dark Imperium or Know no Feareven if you already have it, the basic models in it are stuff that'd be handy to pad your force out.

For the amount of models, it's a decent buy. If you don't want to shave the Dark Angel stuff down though, it's a good amount of models to use for bitz of terrain for dead dudes.

Also you can probably get rid of your Cultists for a good price. New CSM players always want Cultists.

Would I not use the cultists as a Nurgle player? I was considering it for them and the Hellbrute, but if those aren't good models I won't bother.

I kind of like the Dark Angels on their own though. I don't have any space marine forces myself.

 Phobos wrote:
Would I not use the cultists as a Nurgle player? I was considering it for them and the Hellbrute, but if those aren't good models I won't bother.

I kind of like the Dark Angels on their own though. I don't have any space marine forces myself.

cultists are great, I suppose this brings up the point, you say you play "nurgle" what do you mean by Nurgle? Nurgle chaos Deamons? a Nurgle Chaos Space Marines army? or Death Guard?

Sorry, I should have been clearer.

I have the guys from first strike, dark imperium, and blightwar. So, I’m not sure? I have the books for CSM, Chaos Demons, and Death Guard. I’m kind of new to the actual nitty gritty of all this and trying to figure it all out.

 Phobos wrote:
Sorry, I should have been clearer.

I have the guys from first strike, dark imperium, and blightwar. So, I’m not sure? I have the books for CSM, Chaos Demons, and Death Guard. I’m kind of new to the actual nitty gritty of all this and trying to figure it all out.

alright sounds like you're playing Deathguard and demons of nurgle. that actually helps a lot.

first things first, ignoring the dark angel stuff as it's purely a "do I wanna debling it?, start dark angels etc?" question that only you can answer for yourself, tyhe chaos side of the box includes a chaos lord, a helbrute, some cultists chosen chaos marines and an Exaulted champion, of these, death guard can use the helbrute, Lord and cultists, they do not, in their codex, have chosen or exaulted champions (you can sue the champion as another Lord I suppose) so you will have SOME minis that you'll eaither have to use as "counts as plague marines" or something.

so it's not the worst box you could get but you guys might have better things to look at.

ultimately the value of it will be up to you, but in your position I'd proably take a pass

OK so basically I would get $40 worth of cultists and a $54 helbrute, the other units aren't of any value to me (and from what I can see look to Khorne-ish to really fit in anyways)

Plus whatever value the Dark Angels have to me.

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

 Phobos wrote:
OK so basically I would get $40 worth of cultists and a $54 helbrute, the other units aren't of any value to me (and from what I can see look to Khorne-ish to really fit in anyways)

Plus whatever value the Dark Angels have to me.

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

Helbrute's and dreadnoughts are, in this edition, the best they've been ina LOOONG time. it does have the monopose and no weapon choice problem but thats not a huuuge issue, and most people aren't going to insist on WYSIWYG with someone whose clearly newish and still learning the game/building up his first army etc

Thanks very much Brian for all your help. I've enjoyed 40k and the stories for years but finally getting into the tabletop side of things has shown me how little I actually know!

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all this.

I'll pop by the shop during lunchtime Monday and see if I can make a deal with the owner.

 Phobos wrote:
Thanks very much Brian for all your help. I've enjoyed 40k and the stories for years but finally getting into the tabletop side of things has shown me how little I actually know!

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all this.

I'll pop by the shop during lunchtime Monday and see if I can make a deal with the owner.

no problem, when I started out folks helped me, I'm just "paying it down" one day you'll be in position to do the same

BrianDavion wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Thanks very much Brian for all your help. I've enjoyed 40k and the stories for years but finally getting into the tabletop side of things has shown me how little I actually know!

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all this.

I'll pop by the shop during lunchtime Monday and see if I can make a deal with the owner.

no problem, when I started out folks helped me, I'm just "paying it down" one day you'll be in position to do the same

This attitude is great, fair play.

 carlos13th wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Thanks very much Brian for all your help. I've enjoyed 40k and the stories for years but finally getting into the tabletop side of things has shown me how little I actually know!

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all this.

I'll pop by the shop during lunchtime Monday and see if I can make a deal with the owner.

no problem, when I started out folks helped me, I'm just "paying it down" one day you'll be in position to do the same

This attitude is great, fair play.

eh helping folks out just seems logical to me, it grows the pool of active players etc. I'll never get some of the posters here who I swear outright try to dischourage new players

For the Space Wolf part, I think the shoulder pads are separate pieces. You could, with a little work, add a few Space wolf bits and extra shoulder pads, and then paint the robes more of a camo color, like a unit that's on "Cunning of the Wolf" duty (Outflank stratagem).

 Mmmpi wrote:
For the Space Wolf part, I think the shoulder pads are separate pieces. You could, with a little work, add a few Space wolf bits and extra shoulder pads, and then paint the robes more of a camo color, like a unit that's on "Cunning of the Wolf" duty (Outflank stratagem).

sadly there's a lot of dark angels bling on the minis :(

Could always ally in a Fallen squad/detachment?

BrianDavion wrote:

 carlos13th wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
Thanks very much Brian for all your help. I've enjoyed 40k and the stories for years but finally getting into the tabletop side of things has shown me how little I actually know!

I really appreciate you taking the time to explain all this.

I'll pop by the shop during lunchtime Monday and see if I can make a deal with the owner.

no problem, when I started out folks helped me, I'm just "paying it down" one day you'll be in position to do the same

This attitude is great, fair play.

eh helping folks out just seems logical to me, it grows the pool of active players etc. I'll never get some of the posters here who I swear outright try to dischourage new players

I agree which is why I wish to encourage it when I see people act that way.

As nurgle its probably bad.

if anything its fantastic for those wanting to do emp children, since the wing iconography works with them

I'd have to say no.

As people have said before me, the Dark Angels stuff is only really useful if you're running Dark Angels; otherwise the iconography will get in the way. And as for the Chaos side? The Lord and the Chosen are absolutely beautiful models but are pretty much useless in game (unless you want to run a murder sword Lord), the Helbrute is ugly and useless in the game and, whilst the cultists are useful for filling out detachments/spam, the models themselves are very ugly.

I'd keep your cash and look out for:
- A cheap Mortarion model for yourself
- And whatever new Space Wolf stuff GW is going to release soon for your wife

FWIW you're not getting the full helbrute kit. You're getting one that is entirely different. While that might be a plus for you, it'll be the multi-melta fist kit you're seeing. That's the only option.

Hmmmm...

With Cypher and Fallen making an appearance in this codex it might be worth it. You could keep the Tacs and trade the other stuff.

 Phobos wrote:

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

If your even thinking of running a different load out Hellbrute then dont bother with this mono pose easy build hellbrute. You ask will it matter in the real world, the short answer is yes it will. Maybe not for your first few games but you should be willing to at least modify it to have the correct weapons eventually. And if you take it to a tournament you 100% will have to have it reflect the model you paid for in points.

 Smirrors wrote:

 Phobos wrote:

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

If your even thinking of running a different load out Hellbrute then dont bother with this mono pose easy build hellbrute. You ask will it matter in the real world, the short answer is yes it will. Maybe not for your first few games but you should be willing to at least modify it to have the correct weapons eventually. And if you take it to a tournament you 100% will have to have it reflect the model you paid for in points.

if he's just starting out I don't think the tourny scene is relevant to him

 Phobos wrote:
OK so basically I would get $40 worth of cultists and a $54 helbrute, the other units aren't of any value to me (and from what I can see look to Khorne-ish to really fit in anyways)

Plus whatever value the Dark Angels have to me.

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

I can give some advice on the Death Guard part:

- Cultists are always nice when you want a lists with just lots of toys and minimal troops. The also combo well with pox walkers when you activate "The Dead Walk Again", every time someone kills a cultist, it gets back up as a pox walker.
- Hellbrute is mono-build and cannot be modified, but it's still great for Death Guard. It benefits from Inexorable Advance (the Death Guard legion trait) which means it can move and shoot the multi-melta without penalty. I have two fully magnetized helbrutes from the big kit, and I still run them with Fist and Multi-Melta sometimes since that load-out works really well for smashing tanks without invulnerable saves. It's on a similar level as bloat drones or blightcrawlers, with less durability but more punch. Definitely worth fielding.
- Chaos Lord is one of the best cheap HQs death guard can have. Re-rolling ones in invaluable for all those plasma marines and the daemon engines. Just have him stand next to them and yell orders at them. He can also counter-charge units that try to bog down your shooting units. Give him the plague bringer relic for additional fun. It also looks less Khorn-y when it get's painted in propper DG colors.
- Chaos Space Marines. Yeah, we can't field those, and they look tiny next to real plague marines. Trade them away or field them as a CSM detachment alongside a sorcerer, since they get all the awesome psychic powers.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Smirrors wrote:

 Phobos wrote:

So the real question is is the helbrute worth taking? I'm going to guess no, based on your response. Also he only comes in one pose with limited weapons, whereas I just checked my codex and they can be configured with other items. (Is that even a problem in the real world? Can't I just say he has missiles or whatever?) So even if I *wanted* one, I'm not sure he would be the best choice.

If your even thinking of running a different load out Hellbrute then dont bother with this mono pose easy build hellbrute. You ask will it matter in the real world, the short answer is yes it will. Maybe not for your first few games but you should be willing to at least modify it to have the correct weapons eventually. And if you take it to a tournament you 100% will have to have it reflect the model you paid for in points.

if he's just starting out I don't think the tourny scene is relevant to him

In my experience people won't fuzz about the hellbrute having a plasma cannon, heavy bolter or other double-barreled option instead of a multi-melta. Heck, most people probably couldn't tell the heavy bolter appart from the plasma cannon.

Having the DV Helbrute count as having a missile launcher and a power scourge will get your irritated looks or frowns though.

DV is worth getting if you can find someone who’s willing to split the DA side; you’ll want the chaos side for their incredible models, especially now that they are OOP.

Like many said, the cultists from the box set have their value gone through the roof, due to the exclusive cultist figures you get there(2 sgts, 2 heavies, 2 sets of 3 additional regular poses). If you don’t have any of the chaos chosen, they are very cool as well, the hellbrute is a bonus topping.

You can safely scratch the Dark Angels insignia from the models. Tacticals are easy to do so, Terminators harder.

However they are wearing robes and such so unless you would make some kind of Nurgle marine priests out of them i dont think they would fit in Space Wolves. At least not half of the Terminators, Tactical Seargent and Captain with sword.

Glumy wrote:
You can safely scratch the Dark Angels insignia from the models. Tacticals are easy to do so, Terminators harder.

However they are wearing robes and such so unless you would make some kind of Nurgle marine priests out of them i dont think they would fit in Space Wolves. At least not half of the Terminators, Tactical Seargent and Captain with sword.

With a bit of green stuff you could adjust the robes so that they were had fur which would help them fit in as space wolves.

So, to update the story, I didn't get back to the store. However, I came across the original dark vengeance set (all new on sprue, missing the rulebook) with the limited edition character in it for an irresistible price at a thrift store!

Well, then I did some reading on the Dark Angels and they seem pretty cool and look like fun to paint so I'm going to keep them.

Now the big question is now what's the cheapest way to expand upon them? Should I just go buy the other DV set and just have double the guys? It's hard to find info because all the threads talking about lists and such aren't from this edition..

 Phobos wrote:
So, to update the story, I didn't get back to the store. However, I came across the original dark vengeance set (all new on sprue, missing the rulebook) with the limited edition character in it for an irresistible price at a thrift store!

Well, then I did some reading on the Dark Angels and they seem pretty cool and look like fun to paint so I'm going to keep them.

Now the big question is now what's the cheapest way to expand upon them? Should I just go buy the other DV set and just have double the guys? It's hard to find info because all the threads talking about lists and such aren't from this edition..

plenty of info about building up DA lists for this edition, check out out tactics forums there should be some good info for you there. Since you have a nurlge army already and want to expand into Dark Angels IMHO the 8th edition starter sets might be a good point to start from, snag Know no Fear and you have another squad of troops, a squad of 5 hellblasters (general consensus is that Dark Angels are the best chapter for Hellblasters) a squad of intercessors, another Captain, and some stuff for your nurgle forces too.

Another great thing to expand a space Marine list (and if you can find it I'd snatch it up pronto as it's gone Out of prine) is Betrayal at Calath. thats nearly an entire space marine demi company.

BrianDavion wrote:
Another great thing to expand a space Marine list (and if you can find it I'd snatch it up pronto as it's gone Out of prine) is Betrayal at Calath. thats nearly an entire space marine demi company.

I'll second that - I bought the box purely for the marine models for my Word Bearers army - the bits are completely compatible with the other marine*/chaos marine kits so you can mix and match for some good variety. Each ten-man squad comes with an eye-watering number of options, missile launcher or heavy bolter, meltagun/plasmagun/flamer, combi-weapon for the sergeant/champion, power fist, power sword, etc... Plus they're gorgeous models.

*I don't know about primaris though, not had a look at any of those models in the flesh yet.