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I never played AoS in 1. edition. How are tomb kings in 2. edition? Is either the official datacards or the unnoficial armybook usefull?

There is no such army. The death faction is basically Legion of Nagash, Night Haunts, or Flesh Eater Court.

The closest you'll get to a skeleton force is in Legion of Nagash but none of the tomb kings models are in there.

I wasn't aware of an unofficial armybook.

auticus wrote:
There is no such army. The death faction is basically Legion of Nagash, Night Haunts, or Flesh Eater Court.

The closest you'll get to a skeleton force is in Legion of Nagash but none of the tomb kings models are in there.

I wasn't aware of an unofficial armybook.

I thought TK still had free online rules.

They have the original set of warscrolls that released when the game went from WHFB to AOS. Their points were not carried forward from the legacy points to the current GHB however, so officially they are not around and barring the people that play narrative / open games with no points or are ok with outdated point systems, you won't see much talk about them.

Here is the unoficial/fan made one. Is that one stil usable, or has there been major changes between editions?

http://www.mengelminiatures.com/2017/03/the-unofficial-tomb-kings-battletome.html?m=1

It won't be usable in "official" events, no. You can always ask your opponent if you can use it, but that's the same for any non-official setting anyway.

I find it very ironic and sad that the main bad guy of the death alliance comes from a faction that was removed from the game.

Their points are still in the Warscroll Builder, if that counts as an official source for stuff being current.

I have no idea what AoS vs. 2 did. I know the magic system got an overhaul.

If you are just playing in a casual sense with friends that dont' mind unofficial sources then yeah that would be fine to use.

While Tomb Kings still do have Warscrolls (in other words, they are still playable), there are no Warscroll Battalions, no Battletome, nothing for them. They have been completely written out of the AoS story... shame, too.

SG

GW killed tomb kings in AOS 2.0 by not providing pts for there warscrolls anymore. They did the same with all legacy models that aren't printed anymore (like named characters and chaos) .

So the only way to play them is via houseruling and hoping your opponent(s) are ok with it. Or of course Open play... (if there are still people doing that)

For events they are dead.

Ok. This is what I wondered. Did all other warscrolls get major point chanhes? Can i just use the points in the unnoficial armybook?

If the people you are playing against don't care, sure. That will depend on your area and how receptive they are to fan made items.

At events, probably no.

Niiai wrote:Ok. This is what I wondered. Did all other warscrolls get major point chanhes? Can i just use the points in the unnoficial armybook?

auticus wrote:If the people you are playing against don't care, sure. That will depend on your area and how receptive they are to fan made items.

At events, probably no.

I'd be surprised if any event allowed them.

Everybody here is 100% COMPLETELY incorrect. Tomb Kings are still 100% valid army to play in casual games, events, tournaments etc... What is everyone talking about???

They have warscrolls to play in open and narrative games, as well as updated pitched battale profiles for matched play games.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-tomb-kings-en.pdf

Stop spreading false information to spread your personal narratives. I have a friend who has used them in many local RTT events, and at NOVA, there wernt any TK armies, but they could have been used.

It will depend on your area then. Here, there are no fan books allowed, and if the points weren't updated you can't use them in any of the tournaments.

The campaigns and stuff you can use them, just not the tournaments here. And there is a large group of people that will also disallow fan books here unless in a campaign where the campaign organizer lets you. I wrote a bretonnian book Deus Vult used in our campaigns, but you can't use it anywhere else, even locally where they know its used in campaigns. Casual pick up gamers included don't like non official things being used here.

So where I am, if you are a tournament gamer, they are 100% not allowed to be used because the tournaments don't allow fan material or unofficial lists to be used.

I'm skeptical as to nova and LVO and what not letting fan lists in as valid as well.

They arent fan lists. LOL the points and pitched battle profiles are at the end of the link... they are 100% valid. Why wouldnt they be?

Here is the unoficial/fan made one. Is that one stil usable, or has there been major changes between editions?

There is reference to the Mengel army book which is a fan book.

The points were not updated with the rest of the game, which makes them obsolete. To many people that means unsupported and not viable for matched play.

The same reason why Legends aren't tournament viable. You could just use the original 2016 points for those as well technically but you're going to have some fights on your hands getting tournaments to let you use the legends warscrolls for the same reasons.

 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
They arent fan lists. LOL the points and pitched battle profiles are at the end of the link... they are 100% valid. Why wouldnt they be?

Those Compendium points are, technically speaking, from AOS 1.0. They did not get updated with the 2.0 change (didn't become Armies of Legend). So it would really depend on whether an event wanted to allow them or not.

Ok. But are the AoS 1 tomb kings points, or the fan made rules within reason? Or are they majorly under or overpowerfull?

They are valid warscrolls and pitched battle profiles. If an event isnt allowing compendium armies then thats a house rule. Unless otherwise stated, TK are a valid army to play at any time at any event.

I think you definitely want to look into the events around where you are and ask before you jump in. You're going to find that their validity will greatly depend on the people and events around you and that their legality or not will be subjective.

 Phobos wrote:
I find it very ironic and sad that the main bad guy of the death alliance comes from a faction that was removed from the game.

Actually almost all of the main Characters were major players in the world of the Tomb Kings

Nagash
Neferata
Arkhan the Black

That history is also still referenced and the lore has plenty of nods to them as well as specfic like Tomb Kings and Queens ruling regions or characters in novels such as http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yaros

I don;t really understand why they have not done more with all those awesome plastic models....

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Phobos wrote:
I find it very ironic and sad that the main bad guy of the death alliance comes from a faction that was removed from the game.

Actually almost all of the main Characters were major players in the world of the Tomb Kings

Nagash
Neferata
Arkhan the Black

That history is also still referenced and the lore has plenty of nods to them as well as specfic like Tomb Kings and Queens ruling regions or characters in novels such as http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Yaros

I don;t really understand why they have not done more with all those awesome plastic models....

Because of the horrible plastic models (the core skeleton infantry, cavalry and chariot units) and the large number of metal/resin units (Casket of Souls, Tomb Scorpions, Ushabti, Bone Giant, etc.).

I just looked at the General's Handbook 2018. It says that the pitched battle profiles published here take precedence over those with an earlier date or no date. That's clear enough what that means for things that are in that book, but less clear what an omission means.

It appears to be a valid interpretation that, since the Tomb Kings aren't mentioned in GH 2018, there is nothing that takes precedence over the PDF linked on this page. Them not being updated is not necessarily the same as the old rules being eliminated.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Rules

GW also said on Facebook they were fine to use in matched play for 2.0, but they had no plans to update them further.

The moment the go legends however, their points will be removed and they will no longer be legal for MP.

GW stating they are ok for matched play in 2.0 doesn't mean organizers will allow them though.

That's an issue of the organizers ignoring the developers of the game though. It would be like saying TOs can ban Stormcast if they want to. The statement is absolutely correct, but that doesn't make it right to ban Stormcast.

I'm just stating the reality of the situation. Its morality or being right or wrong isn't what I'm stating.

There are loads of tournaments that still ban forgeworld.