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2018/09/17 11:08:55
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Everyone's got a unit like this, it's called "bad" and suboptimal but you keep using it because to you it's part of your armies quirky charm. the mathhammer players keep telling you you suyck for taking it etc. but you just keep plunking it down..
For me it's the basic tactical marine, sure scouts might be a bit more efficant, but damnit, I feel wrong playing Marines without a squad of two of Tacs.
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2018/09/17 11:26:19
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I agree that a marine list doesn’t feel like a marine army unless it has a squad or two of tacs. And I field full 10 man squads, with both the special and the heavy. I’m playing Ultramarines, if I don’t uphold the doctrines of the Codex, who will?
I pretty much field the full gambit of “suck” units. Terminators, assault marines, land raiders, chaplains, drop pods in 8th. The list goes on. Not all at once, mind you. I try to temper my inclusion of mediocre units by tightening up my list elsewhere. Plus I don’t play in a hyper-competitive meta. So it works out, and I have fun.
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2018/09/17 11:41:58
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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In a similar vein to above, Deathwing Knights. They're just so cool with the robes and the shields!
To be fair, they are more viable than most Terminators thanks to the Storm Shields combined with S8 weapons that don't have a -1 to hit, and in an army that can stack some great buffs! (Hello Asmodai).
But they still suffer from the issue of how to actually get them into combat and stay there with their slow movement and lack of cheap transportation. And they're very expensive pts wise.
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2018/09/17 12:23:32
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Norn Queen
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Ork Killa Kanz. I think they are great models and quite characterful.
But I dont use them at all.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2018/09/17 12:30:07
Subject: Re:What "bad" unit do you love
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I use my myphitic blight-hauler in all my games since coming back to the game. He's not the worst when it comes to "bad" units but it is 2 points more than a plagueburst crawler. I just assembled another two of them today so I can field the full tri-lobe. I like the model, it's an inexpensive kit and they're described as basically being like dogs.
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2018/09/17 12:30:28
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
Vigo. Spain.
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Terminators.
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Crimson Devil wrote:
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote:Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
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2018/09/17 13:08:41
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nevelon wrote:I agree that a marine list doesn’t feel like a marine army unless it has a squad or two of tacs. And I field full 10 man squads, with both the special and the heavy. I’m playing Ultramarines, if I don’t uphold the doctrines of the Codex, who will?
I pretty much field the full gambit of “suck” units. Terminators, assault marines, land raiders, chaplains, drop pods in 8th. The list goes on. Not all at once, mind you. I try to temper my inclusion of mediocre units by tightening up my list elsewhere. Plus I don’t play in a hyper-competitive meta. So it works out, and I have fun.
Much the same here. My idea of what constitutes a “proper” Space Marine army calcified somewhere around 1992 and I’m buggered if I’m changing that based purely on competitive efficiency.
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2018/09/17 13:19:45
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Deathwing Terminators et al. Can't help but run a pure Deathwing every edition.
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2018/09/17 13:26:04
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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kataphron breachers.
simply a troop unit not ment for 8th edition.
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2018/09/17 13:29:30
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Eldar Windriders. They aren't "bad" per se, but from a competitive sense, there really is no reason to take them over Shining Spears. Heck even Vypers could be argued as better with their 3+ armour and more weapon options. Moving WRs back to Fast Attack after decades of being Troops was not executed well. Being 5-10ppm cheaper would go a long way. But still, they are what got me started with Eldar 10 years ago, so I'll keep making lists with about a dozen of them. Also Necron Scarabs and the Monolith. They're just such iconic Necron unit you can't not take them. -
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2018/09/17 13:36:11
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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For Eldar - it's wraith lords. I think they are one of the best looking models in the game. I try to include 2 of them to tone down lists sometimes.
For tyranids is the haruspex. It's just so ugly and vicious. Have to include.
For TS - it's rubrics - I bring 30. It's just not TS without them.
All the other armies my options are ether too limited or the army is generally all good or all bad - so I just do with what I've got. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yes - I agree. My friend brings 9 of them. I hate to pick on them but their damage is WAY to high to ignore but they die SO easy. Flat 3 damage is all over the place.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2018/09/17 14:08:56
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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Tacticals, I bring 40 of them to every match.
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2018/09/17 14:10:10
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Pyro Pilot of a Triach Stalker
Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high
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Necron Lychguard.
No delivery mechanisms, 5 inch movement...wheeeee
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Bedouin Dynasty: 10000 pts
The Silver Lances: 4000 pts
The Custodes Winter Watch 4000 pts
MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum. |
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2018/09/17 14:16:19
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Regular Dakkanaut
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iGuy91 wrote:Necron Lychguard.
No delivery mechanisms, 5 inch movement...wheeeee
Beat me to it ...
so I'll go Necron Canoptek Spyder ... it never sees play because a conscript just looks at it with a raised eyebrow and it falls over dead.
I'll follow up with my Monolith which I put on the table in one game (was a 9,000 points game total) and it didn't even get to shoot. ... bleh
and lastly .. Necron Night Scythes .. .. so flimsy it may as well jsut advance full speed straight off the far edge of the table .. and take the troops on the Tomb World with it !! :(
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2018/09/17 14:18:28
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Xenomancers wrote:For Eldar - it's wraith lords. I think they are one of the best looking models in the game. I try to include 2 of them to tone down lists sometimes.
Oh that's a good one. Is it too late to change my answer? -
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2018/09/17 14:20:35
Subject: Re:What "bad" unit do you love
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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Assult marines with jump pack for me. I just assembled another 7 because I like my current five man squad so much.
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Brutal, but kunning! |
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2018/09/17 14:32:48
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Chaos Raptors.
When I have points to burn I take a unit. They tend to overperform in my lists, either as assassins or tank-killers. They pop in to kill something then go grab objectives.
That said, most of my lists are long-range shooty. Something to be said about bad units: their value goes up in an army when they fill a gap left by your good units.
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2018/09/17 14:36:26
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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iGuy91 wrote:Necron Lychguard.
No delivery mechanisms, 5 inch movement...wheeeee
You can use Deceiver, Obyron and Zahndrekh shenanigans can't you?
I admit, the fact you need 3 named characters to deliver a single unit of Lychguard effectively means it's not always the best strategy :p
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2018/09/17 14:51:20
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Xenomancers wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yes - I agree. My friend brings 9 of them. I hate to pick on them but their damage is WAY to high to ignore but they die SO easy. Flat 3 damage is all over the place.
yea i have 9 myself, buildt 6 months before index dropped and they are 60% of my now no longer existing cult mech army thanks to GW.
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2018/09/17 15:17:12
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot
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While it's not bad persay, it certainly has it's niche in ruining Mortarion and Eldar's life...
Love me my Astraeus. She's a beastly brick of resin with fairly nasty guns. The stats don't add up to 750 points, however... Such a shame.
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Skaven - 4500
OBR - 4250
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2018/09/17 15:24:10
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I love the basic troops of pretty much every army in the game. I love Plague Marines and Rubric Marines and Chaos Space Marines. It's sad that most of my games involve trying to minimize these units now. The only basic troops I tend to take now are Cultists and Poxwalkers, but if I know I'm having a non-competitive game, those basic dudes make their way out in totally inappropriate numbers.
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Galef wrote:If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors. |
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2018/09/17 15:36:20
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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Zarakynel, or as I call her - The Violet Heart.
Nearly 700pts, She's massive, hard to hide and fragile
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2018/09/17 15:47:36
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Terminators. All kinds except regular vanilla terminators. I haven't played marines in a while though, so don't have any.
My latest love is Allarus Terminators. I recently bought a squad of them and can't wait to paint them and wreck face in some more casual games.
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2018/09/17 15:50:02
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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Thadin wrote:While it's not bad persay, it certainly has it's niche in ruining Mortarion and Eldar's life...
Love me my Astraeus. She's a beastly brick of resin with fairly nasty guns. The stats don't add up to 750 points, however... Such a shame.
I was so excited to get this thing - then saw it's rules and I was like...WAH?
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2018/09/17 15:53:46
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Lord of the Fleet
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Terminators, while they're still pretty crap they're not bad at putting out a surprising amount of firepower on a hardy platform.
Tactical Marines as well I still love, again not the best but you can get a decent array of weapons on cheap-ish units.
Leman Russ Vanquishers, I hear nothing good about them, people just whinge and bitch about them, yet I use it with Pask, Lascannon and 2x Multi Meltas and he does pretty well, can make his points back most times I use him.
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2018/09/17 16:00:00
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Perfect Shot Ultramarine Predator Pilot
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Xenomancers wrote: Thadin wrote:While it's not bad persay, it certainly has it's niche in ruining Mortarion and Eldar's life...
Love me my Astraeus. She's a beastly brick of resin with fairly nasty guns. The stats don't add up to 750 points, however... Such a shame.
I was so excited to get this thing - then saw it's rules and I was like...WAH?
I'm fine with it's rules. It's main cannon is powerful; it's just about a Baneblade Cannon, with a reliable number of shots, weaker STR if I remember right, but, the added bonus of ignoring Modifiers to Hit vs Targets with Fly. A host of other decent guns, hard to charge and tie down, ect.
I wish it's Void Shield was better, and that it had a Transport Capacity, but that's just my opinion. I like it's rules. I don't like it's cost.
Another thing I wish, was for all Anti-Aircraft weapons, and things like it, I think it would be better if they had the Astraeus' wording. Ignore negative modifiers to hit when targeting fly keyword, rather than a mere +1 to hit. It's worse against non-eldar, not supersonic equivalent flyers, but stronger against stacked modifiers.
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Skaven - 4500
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2018/09/17 16:16:02
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
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Valkyrie wrote:
Leman Russ Vanquishers, I hear nothing good about them, people just whinge and bitch about them, yet I use it with Pask, Lascannon and 2x Multi Meltas and he does pretty well, can make his points back most times I use him.
There's a couple of things going on here:
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In most real games you can afford to make a few sub optimal choices and it won't have much noticeable effect on how the game goes. Either it's made up for elsewhere, or your opponent is also taking a couple of sub optimal things and so the overall power of the lists is still the about the same as each other. People do get a bit carried away with min-maxing everything on here at the expense of what people actually enjoying playing with sometimes!
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Pask is an absolute monster. With a Battlecannon he in incredible. Vanquishers are frankly a fair bit worse, but Pask is still so good that it balances out to still a pretty decent unit!
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2018/09/17 16:23:04
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Bullgryn.
Bullgryn with bats.
Bullgryn with bats and a priest and a Chimera to ride around with, in order to best deliver said bats.
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2018/09/17 16:29:14
Subject: What "bad" unit do you love
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
On the Internet
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BrianDavion wrote:Everyone's got a unit like this, it's called "bad" and suboptimal but you keep using it because to you it's part of your armies quirky charm. the mathhammer players keep telling you you suyck for taking it etc. but you just keep plunking it down.
With my Sisters it's Repentia. They're incredibly bad now, but they were hilarious during 5th edition where a unit of them could cleave a Land Raider in half in a single round of melee. The internet kept telling me they were bad and I'd have to bend over backwards to make them work, but when I got them into combat (they didn't always make it) they did magical things.
These days I'm looking at running all Primaris, which includes suboptimal choices like the Reivers and Repulsor. To be fair, Marines in general aren't "optimal" at the moment so it's more the less optimal choices of an already suboptimal subfaction of a suboptimal codex.
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2018/09/17 16:50:45
Subject: Re:What "bad" unit do you love
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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With Tau, it's probably my Stormsurge and my Ghostkeel. They were both incredibly good in 7th, but a bit lackluster in 8th. The thing that keeps the Stormsurge down in 8th is the lack of the <BATTLESUIT> keyword, meaning it can't pass wounds off to drones and has to just hope it can roll 4++ saves well. Everyone tells me to run more Riptides instead, but I stubbornly insist on bringing out the Stormsurge. The Ghostkeel just costs too many points and its special stealth drones are too easy to just delete, but I love the model and thus run it sometimes. It has done good work for me at times, too.
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