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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker





Glasgow, Scotland

Hello all!

New player here, doing a bit of list building and looking for a consensus on something.

In the case of Elrond where, if included, Rivendell Knights 'do not count towards the bow limit', do the Knights themselves count towards the total number of miniatures in the army when determining who can have a bow?

e.g. If I have 12 High Elf Warriors and 6 Knights, does that mean I can have 6 Elven Bows on my Warriors, as the total number of models is 18 - with the bows on the Knights not counting towards the limit - or do I just ignore the Knights altogether from the equation and thus can only take 4 Elf Bows on the Warriors, as this is 1/3rd of 12?

Also, to clarify - I might have missed this - but do characters count towards the bow limit? And do they count towards the total number of models when determining this?

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Florence, KY

 Haanz wrote:
Also, to clarify - I might have missed this - but do characters count towards the bow limit? And do they count towards the total number of models when determining this?

From page 131 of the Middle-earth SBG Rules Manual:

Bows and crossbows carried by Hero models do not count towards an army’s Bow Limit.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable
defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'

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Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
 
   
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker





Glasgow, Scotland

 Ghaz wrote:
 Haanz wrote:
Also, to clarify - I might have missed this - but do characters count towards the bow limit? And do they count towards the total number of models when determining this?

From page 131 of the Middle-earth SBG Rules Manual:

Bows and crossbows carried by Hero models do not count towards an army’s Bow Limit.


Derp, don't know how I missed that - thank you!

Looking at that page with that clarification in mind and paying attention again to that the bow limit is calculated on the number of Warrior models in your army, I'm thus inclined to believe then that - in the example of Knights of Rivendell in an army led by Elrond - 'not counting toward' the bow limit would mean that the Warrior models in question - the Rivendell Knights - simply means I ignore them when counting how many bows I have in my army, but they count still be counted in my total number of Warrior models used to calculate the max number of bows (as per the example in my original post)?


Edit: Had this FAQ entry from a previous edition that most likely applies to date. Figured I should stick it in here so the thread can at least be useful at a glance. Thanks anyway!

"In the case of the Rivendell Knights and Riders of Rohan, simply ignore them entirely for the purposes of determining Bow Limits, so a third (rounding up) of the remaining Warriors in your force can be armed with bows."

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Bow limit? What the heck. Why not just raise the points for bows?

Unless the new game doesn't use points like AOS v1 didn't?
   
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Richmond, VA

If models don't count for bow limits - warbands with Riders of Rohan, for example - you don't count them. You literally just don't count them either way.



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KTG17 wrote:
Bow limit? What the heck. Why not just raise the points for bows? Unless the new game doesn't use points like AOS v1 didn't?


What?

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Glasgow, Scotland

 judgedoug wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
KTG17 wrote:
Bow limit? What the heck. Why not just raise the points for bows? Unless the new game doesn't use points like AOS v1 didn't?


What?


I guess the idea of a 'bow limit' could be somewhat surprising if someone's never played the system before, especially with Force Organisation being less and less of a rigid thing these days.

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Richmond, VA

 Haanz wrote:
 judgedoug wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
KTG17 wrote:
Bow limit? What the heck. Why not just raise the points for bows? Unless the new game doesn't use points like AOS v1 didn't?


What?


I guess the idea of a 'bow limit' could be somewhat surprising if someone's never played the system before, especially with Force Organisation being less and less of a rigid thing these days.


Ah, the post was so incoherent I couldn't understand what was being said. So, yes, if someone is unfamiliar with SBG entirely (there's been a bow limit for points match games in SBG for the last ten years or so), and also was unaware that there were points in AOS1 for matched play games, and also were unaware that one doesn't use points for scenario games in SBG nor does one need points for AOS1 or AOS2 (I have never played a points match game in AOS since it came out).

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Florence, KY

The Bow Limit is a superior mechanic to just increasing the price of bows. It allows forces to be on par with each other without bows becoming an issue and allows traditionally bow heavy forces to be played as such without giving up too many models that they would lose effectiveness in close combat.

'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents
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