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The Iron Warriors are supposed to be calculating. I understand being affected by Chaos means losing their some of their sanity, but this is just over the top.

Medrengard Civil War takes place between Honsou and an alliance of Berossus and Toramino. Though not described, Berossus is probably a Contemptor Dreadnought as he retains his intelligence despite his encasement.

The war cost hundreds of Chaos Space Marines, thousands of Cultists, at least 2 major fortresses, even Chaos Titans. The spoil of war? A bunch of Imperial Fist geneseed! And neither faction claimed those in the end because the Ultramarines sabotaged them all (Honsou even believed Uriel was siding with Toramino).

How did this happen? Even if the geneseeds were recovered and put to use, there is no way the loss would be justified.
   
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Infighting, among chaos?

YOU DON'T SAY?! seriously, how is this a suprise?

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Some writers don't know how to write chaos, and Iron Warriors are pretty non-chaotic even, and they get written like everyone else from time to time.

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Iron within , iron without, the iron warriors hate weakness and are paranoid by nature, so any other warsmith they think is weak they will try to kill if they have the opertunity, they think honsou is a half breed, not a true iron warrior, so they wanted him dead, it’s that simple.
   
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 ph34r wrote:
Some writers don't know how to write chaos, and Iron Warriors are pretty non-chaotic even, and they get written like everyone else from time to time.


I like the Iron Warriors but the idea they'd never ever turn on each other is rediculas. chaos corrupts. If another great Battalion has something valuably they'll certainly take it. even before the siege of Terra we're seeing the chaos Legions begin to corrupt etc. ten thousand years in the warp is going to have an impact.

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Although they’re technically a more unified legion than most of the others, theres a few justifiable reasons.

1. Berossus and toramino had been promised geneseed for their support. Honsou went back on that. To do nothing would have been seen as weakness.
2. Honsou was part imperial fist and not actively hated because of it.
3. It wasnt just imperial fist geneseed, it was was a massive repositary from accross the galaxy of many chapters.
4. Toramino has a history off not caring about other iron arriors to further himself.
5. They probably thought the resulting stolen geneseed and recruits from honsous defeated forces would off set the losses- classic iron warriors maths of victory.
6. They really dont need an excuse to show how good they are at siege work to try and impress Perty.
   
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Punisher23 wrote:
Although they’re technically a more unified legion than most of the others, theres a few justifiable reasons.

1. Berossus and toramino had been promised geneseed for their support. Honsou went back on that. To do nothing would have been seen as weakness.
2. Honsou was part imperial fist and not actively hated because of it.
3. It wasnt just imperial fist geneseed, it was was a massive repositary from accross the galaxy of many chapters.
4. Toramino has a history off not caring about other iron arriors to further himself.
5. They probably thought the resulting stolen geneseed and recruits from honsous defeated forces would off set the losses- classic iron warriors maths of victory.
6. They really dont need an excuse to show how good they are at siege work to try and impress Perty.

One could wonder why the Imperium would put one of ONLY TWO such geneseed repositaries in such proximity with the Eye of Terror, on a planet whose main fortress was build by a heretic Iron Warrior And then they act all surprise when said Iron Warrior who built said fortress comes back for the geneseed and lay siege

EDIT : even though that part about Barban Falk building the fortress during the Great Crusade as said in Storm of Iron is inconsistent with Angel Exterminatus during which the Iron Warrior destroy an Imperial Fist fortress on Hydra Cordatus.

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Engrenages wrote:
EDIT : even though that part about Barban Falk building the fortress during the Great Crusade as said in Storm of Iron is inconsistent with Angel Exterminatus during which the Iron Warrior destroy an Imperial Fist fortress on Hydra Cordatus.

I suppose the Iron Warriors then rebuilt the fortress following it's levelling in the Horus Heresy?

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 Haighus wrote:
Engrenages wrote:
EDIT : even though that part about Barban Falk building the fortress during the Great Crusade as said in Storm of Iron is inconsistent with Angel Exterminatus during which the Iron Warrior destroy an Imperial Fist fortress on Hydra Cordatus.

I suppose the Iron Warriors then rebuilt the fortress following it's levelling in the Horus Heresy?


Storm of iron specifically mention they build the fortress for the Emperor during the Crusade. But then again, it came before the HH Iron Warrior's storyline was written, which explains why in Storm of Iron is a complete subordinate to Falk while he was 1st Captain heresy-era. Just inconsistencies.
   
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So you're surprised that a group of people who have chosen self interest over loyalty to the state, would choose self interest again?
   
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Gene-seed is very valuable, especially when it's super pure like what Honsou had. Iron Warriors probably have very poor gene-seed after living so long in the EoT.
   
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Animus wrote:
Gene-seed is very valuable, especially when it's super pure like what Honsou had. Iron Warriors probably have very poor gene-seed after living so long in the EoT.

Even though it won't be as good as loyalists' in 40k-era due to the EoT, the IW had one of the very best geneseed out of every Legion pre-heresy with an insane implementation success rate. If you add the fact they usually remove mutations and replace them with bionics, they probably have the less poor geneseed out of all the traitor legions with perhaps the Alpha Legion who didn't retreat that much into the Eye after the Siege of Terra and the Night Lords who avoid Chaos most of the time.

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Animus wrote:
Gene-seed is very valuable, especially when it's super pure like what Honsou had. Iron Warriors probably have very poor gene-seed after living so long in the EoT.


No way they are worth more than fully grown Chaos Space Marines with the geneseed plus gears and combat experience. And no way they could be worth more than Chaos Titans that can blast dozens of Space Marines to kingdom come in one shot.

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bibotot wrote:
Animus wrote:
Gene-seed is very valuable, especially when it's super pure like what Honsou had. Iron Warriors probably have very poor gene-seed after living so long in the EoT.


No way they are worth more than fully grown Chaos Space Marines with the geneseed plus gears and combat experience. And no way they could be worth more than Chaos Titans that can blast dozens of Space Marines to kingdom come in one shot.


To quote the classic phrase, Chaos going to Chaos.

More importantly it's likely started like many wars, with one or more side thinking that this will be a walk in the park and then it gets real. There are plenty of real life examples of leaders thinking (perhaps with purposeful ignorance) that a conflict will be over quickly and won't have much lose. Once the die is cast though, backing out gets harder and harder and 40k for the most part isn't known for detente being an option.
   
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HoundsofDemos wrote:
bibotot wrote:
Animus wrote:
Gene-seed is very valuable, especially when it's super pure like what Honsou had. Iron Warriors probably have very poor gene-seed after living so long in the EoT.


No way they are worth more than fully grown Chaos Space Marines with the geneseed plus gears and combat experience. And no way they could be worth more than Chaos Titans that can blast dozens of Space Marines to kingdom come in one shot.


To quote the classic phrase, Chaos going to Chaos.

More importantly it's likely started like many wars, with one or more side thinking that this will be a walk in the park and then it gets real. There are plenty of real life examples of leaders thinking (perhaps with purposeful ignorance) that a conflict will be over quickly and won't have much lose. Once the die is cast though, backing out gets harder and harder and 40k for the most part isn't known for detente being an option.


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