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I have been holding this one close for the last week as I sorted everything out. There was an auction I was waiting to win before I announced my latest acquisitions, and I got them, and are pretty excited.

Beastmen. Battalion of 20 Gors, 10 Ungors, and 10 Beastigors. PLUS! I picked up (what seems hard to find) the Minotaur box set which includes 3. Eventually I will hunt down a hero and shaman to lead these mofos.

I have to admit, these guys don't do much for me at the moment. I just happen to land the Battalion set for an ok price so I said why not. The problem is the cost of the minis in points tends to be low, so I am able to field 700 with the Minotaurs, but man, not sure I am crazy about expanding these guys to 1000. And no real war machines or ranged weapon options, so I would be shelling out more money for essentially the same kind of troops.

I hope the Battalion set includes the same kind of random goodies as the Wood Elves, Bretonnians, and Lizardmen have.

So what does everyone think of these Bayherd guys?

Get the new getting started as it includes a Cygor/Ghorgon, 10 more Ungor, 10 more Bestigor and a Shaman. You will need to source square bases but it is a good deal.

1 Shaman
20 Bestigor (kitbash one into a General?)
20 Gor
20 Ungor
3 Minotaurs
1 Ghorgon (use as a giant for ravening hordes).

Ungor are one of the units you need to test edition cap for as it effects unit base size. Usually 2omm but for one edition it was 25mm because the gors/ngors had a mixed formation rules.

Give Ungors bows for variety in your playstyle. Gors do well as extra hand weapons or shields. Bestigors normally have great weapons.

You should have 1000pts with only one extra purchase, Getting Started Beasts of Chaos.

Here I was hoping someone would say Forgeworld would continue Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

GW still sell the individual boxes that make up that battalion from their webstore

10 ungors/gors £15.50
10 Bestigors £25.50

To get 20 gors, 10 ungors and 10 bestigors as in that battalion box would cost you £77 + shipping from GW. I bring this up because some of the battalions on ebay are being offered at silly prices, like even more silly than GW's prices, even when sometimes the models in them are not actually out of production and can still be bought new from GW. I can understand OOP models going for inflated prices but not otherwise.

Yeah I know, call me silly, but I prefer the box art of the older stuff and I don't want to hunt down bases. The only think I have paid silly prices for is the Bretonnian set.

I am glad they are re-releasing some of this stuff tho as I do order bitz off eBay.

You can get bases on ebay also.

Also there are plenty of other companies doing cheap square bases in the GW style suitable for WFB. MDF or plastic for cheapness or resin for fanciness.

plastic bases are around a £2 for 20 (20mm square), or 10p each.

Reaper minis is my main source for plastic bases now.

https://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/plastic%20bases

Provided you do not need slottabases, you can get 20mm squares at Victrix. You will get some larger 20mm bases. This does not bother me as my WHFB armies were multi-based: I just had to have a few figs on 20mm squares for change.

https://www.victrixlimited.com/collections/base-sets/products/victrix-plastic-bases-set-1

Definitely want bows on those Ungors as they're your only shooting unit. Giants are always entertaining, and if you're only going to throw down one unit of Minotaurs, I'm not sure they'd be worth having great weapons on.



As a caveat for the base issue: technically there's no hard rule stating you HAVE to 20mm your Ungors. I realize that people tend to go with how they were sold at the time, but it isn't a hard fast rule. Your Marauders were 20mm in Ravening Hordes, and they were made 25mm in the Army Book to keep the infantry models in the Chaos armies consistent. I sincerely doubt anyone would bat an eye if you had them on 25mm bases. HOWEVER, if the set comes with 20mm bases, both Ravening Hordes AND the 7th Ed book and on has them on 20mm. The only book that does require 25mm would be the Beast Herds from the Beasts of Chaos book, and that's more to do with it being a mixed unit.

Only options for Ungors in 6th (both variants) are spears and shields, think there is only a single missile option in the entire army and that was Troll Vomit!

Hot damn, you're right. I could have sworn they had bow options in Ravening Hordes.

Someone changed the title of my thread. WTH people...

For the record I would never start a thread with a title of ‘I got some beastmen!’

Yeah I believe bows are included in the sprues for them too, or someone, but there is nothing in RH who use them... would love some bows for these guys.

The bows came in 7th where Ungor were split between two units (herd and raiders).

 KTG17 wrote:
Someone changed the title of my thread. WTH people...

For the record I would never start a thread with a title of ‘I got some beastmen!’

That's weird. What was it originally? I don't remember. "I got some beastmen!" sounds like kid grammar, you've been modded by a kid.

 SolarCross wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:
Someone changed the title of my thread. WTH people...

For the record I would never start a thread with a title of ‘I got some beastmen!’

That's weird. What was it originally? I don't remember. "I got some beastmen!" sounds like kid grammar, you've been modded by a kid.

Subject: Are you guys ready for some news??? Because I got some!

At least the new title relates to the contents...

 KTG17 wrote:
Someone changed the title of my thread. WTH people...

For the record I would never start a thread with a title of ‘I got some beastmen!’

Yeah I believe bows are included in the sprues for them too, or someone, but there is nothing in RH who use them... would love some bows for these guys.

This is to your advantage. Your army:

698pts
Chieftain /w heavy armour, hand weapon, shield 66pts
Shaman /level 2 110pts
14 Bestigor /w full command 184pts
20 Gor /w extra hand weapon, full command 170pts
3 Minotaurs /w extra hand weapon, champion 168pts

You cant really use the Ungor as Ravening hordes requires they go on 25mm for mixed formation. This was a short lived rule. You also cant give them bows, which would make them useful.
Beastmen dont have the tools to win, and having shooty chaos via them was a later edition because they had nothing to offer vs chaos warriors. They were forgotten also rans in 5th edition and there was not enough meat to give them a decent Ravening hordes list. They cant even take beast giant.
This is an army for the army book. But you can make something functional above for Ravening Hordes at 700pts if you stick with the heavy hitters.

Build your Ghorgon, and Ungor raiders with bows. Leave them aside, when you play 1000pts bring them in and use the army book for ambush rules, skirmishers and large gribblies.

It was actually the Army Book that had mixed formations. Ravening Hordes still had them as two separate units.


The easiest way to do it is say to your opponent "Hey, this unit was legal in 7th, can I run it?" Most people won't have an issue with it. It's also how my brother and I come up with stuff that is lacking. Citizen Levy lost two row Archers with no drop in points. Wood Elves were the same price for Archers and they had actual special rules to go with them. The agreement in our club is that High Elf Archers shoot in two ranks. House rules are glorious at times.

 Just Tony wrote:
It was actually the Army Book that had mixed formations. Ravening Hordes still had them as two separate units.

You are quite right, Ravening hordes has Gors and Ungors together in one section to save space.

 Just Tony wrote:

The easiest way to do it is say to your opponent "Hey, this unit was legal in 7th, can I run it?" Most people won't have an issue with it. It's also how my brother and I come up with stuff that is lacking. Citizen Levy lost two row Archers with no drop in points. Wood Elves were the same price for Archers and they had actual special rules to go with them. The agreement in our club is that High Elf Archers shoot in two ranks. House rules are glorious at times.

With no official ruleset anymore except round base heresy this is easier. Despite the 'golden rule' people are reluctant to play against the official ruleset. Now there is no official ruleset you can play with it.
So that is how you make 6th workable.

Or you play CE and enjoy 2 ranks firing, 3 ranks spears in melee and - 1 to hit for enemies in the first round when being charged

Well I just got my battalion set in the mail and the figures and options are nice, although the set does lack any of the extra bits some of the other sets I got did, which is disappointing.

I looked in the 6th Army book and I don’t even see the options to have the ungors armed with bows, and I really want t do it. I just don’t know what that would cost in points. I guess if this is frowned upon I could just leave them their spears.

I do not like the mixed herd rule in the Army book and doubt I will ever do it.

Also, in RH and the Army book Minotaurs can have a champion, standard, and at least in RH a musicisn... is that legit? They seem like monsters to me I don’t see why a three man unit would have them. I will probably do so just to use up the points.

Minotaur champion is well worth the points.

As I said above Ungor bows came in with the 7th book, guess you could just model them on and count them as hand weapons or spears. The mixed unit served a purpose but I never liked the look of it, the real joy in the army book was the ambush rules where you could bring on units from table edges other than your own.

How are you handling multi faction units (presuming you have any) like hounds and harpies? Harpies could be really handy for your beasts as they are pretty much the only way of taking out warmachines and they are pretty handy for drawing out fanatics as well.

KTG17 mentioned earlier he had a box of ten chaos warhounds, they can do double duty.

Moscha wrote:Or you play CE and enjoy 2 ranks firing, 3 ranks spears in melee and - 1 to hit for enemies in the first round when being charged

KTG, take note of this. Despite being clear of what edition/ruleset you are running with, there will probably be at least one post per page trying to sway you to their preferred game, even if you don't have a community at all in that ruleset. I'm going to start doing shots every time it gets brought up...

KTG17 wrote:Well I just got my battalion set in the mail and the figures and options are nice, although the set does lack any of the extra bits some of the other sets I got did, which is disappointing.

I looked in the 6th Army book and I don’t even see the options to have the ungors armed with bows, and I really want t do it. I just don’t know what that would cost in points. I guess if this is frowned upon I could just leave them their spears.

I do not like the mixed herd rule in the Army book and doubt I will ever do it.

Also, in RH and the Army book Minotaurs can have a champion, standard, and at least in RH a musicisn... is that legit? They seem like monsters to me I don’t see why a three man unit would have them. I will probably do so just to use up the points.

Frowned upon in tournaments, which don't happen in dead systems. The nice thing about 6th is that since it IS dead, you can look at aspects of it that are pants on head bonkers and fix it. Or add/subtract the subtle stuff. What I would do personally is look at the stats for Ungors in all three lists, and compare the points for them. If they as close to identical as you can get, then I'd just use the cost of upgrading 7th Ed. Ungor Skirmishers to bows as a standard cost and run with it. Once again, the fact that you're running this out of your house means you have absolute control over what you can or cannot do. I haven't been to a SINGLE gaming establishment that didn't have any houserules.

 Just Tony wrote:

Moscha wrote:Or you play CE and enjoy 2 ranks firing, 3 ranks spears in melee and - 1 to hit for enemies in the first round when being charged

KTG, take note of this. Despite being clear of what edition/ruleset you are running with, there will probably be at least one post per page trying to sway you to their preferred game, even if you don't have a community at all in that ruleset. I'm going to start doing shots every time it gets brought up...

This sounds like. Now you are drinking my cool aid, how dare anyone suggest another flavour.

 Just Tony wrote:

Frowned upon in tournaments, which don't happen in dead systems. The nice thing about 6th is that since it IS dead, you can look at aspects of it that are pants on head bonkers and fix it.

Why be fanatical about a system you KNOW is broken?

One can use the 7th army book for Beastmen with 6th ruleset, just keep the unit entries..
Bottom line with Beastmen in Ravening Hordes is that up until then beastmen were a minor subfaction in the generalist Chaos army book, in fact they were not really a proper subfaction, just a couple of unit entries. They were totally underdeveloped. Ravening Hordes was their first faction supplement, and 6th gave Beastmen their first army book. Even so not a lot was added to pad the roster or make them viable.
Consequently the entire faction was thin until 7th.

It's doable, I agree. At the end, since it IS being run out of his house, he has agency over what is or isn't run. I unfortunately think EACH list from 6th and 7th has a hit AND miss element to it, and would actually opt for a hybrid of all three.


I'm thinking before he goes postal on this battalion, he should get some games in with the OTHER armies he has, get a feel for what "feels" right as far as fairness, points values and the like, and then he can cherry pick parts from each book as he sees fit. The Hellstorm for the Empire, for instance, didn't show up until 7th, and I don't find it out of place in the 6th list, so I'd house rule that crap in like it was my job.


And to be fair, the SYSTEM isn't broken. At all. The only gripe we can have is that there are units that aren't ported over, and that there is some Army Book Creep going on after Ravening Hordes.

Sorry, couldn't resist. It was not to be taken serious. 6th is fine. I think I said that quite often, no?


By the way: YOU started suggesting to house-rule some things away that you do not like playing at home, or using units not in 6th army compilation by using rules of other editions.
I (jokingly) suggested something very similar, as reaction to your post.

So keep it a bit down. No need to start keeping books about heresies done by bad bad other users.
Thank you.

My apologies, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text. Also, it's been brought up in non-sarcastic ways. My bad for making assumptions.

So I got my Beastmen Chieftain/Wargor yesterday. He is the old metal one that is holding two axes. I cleaned him up, assembled, and primed him. I really like the model.

I have to be honest if I have any difficulty painting an army, I think its going to be this one. But I do like them more than I thought I would. They feel a lot more evil than even my Chaos Warriors. I just don't like how their army lists are in either RH or their army book.

I am thinking about going after 5 harpies. It seems two different Harpies were made, is this correct? I see some that look gargoylish, and others that look female. Which should I do?

Whatever floats your boat. The female looking Harpies were for the Dark Elves launch, and the Furies were the Chaos equivalent. It's one of those things where I don't think anyone would question it either way. And yes, that includes the old school incredishitty 5th Ed. Harpies.