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I am planning to put together an R&H detachment for my Emperor's Children. My general army theme is that of a core band of EC that have gathered a following of cultists, armor, and meat shields to make up for the diminished number of EC and how scattered they are in general. I have some old Dark Eldar models sitting in a drawer collecting dust, and it occurred to me that with a little modification, they could make some pretty nice looking Marauder Stalkers.

So, what I am curious about it is, what happens to a Dark Eldar who isn't able to stave off she who thirsts and gets all gobbled up? Can Slaanesh maybe let a couple daemonettes have them as snacks for possession so they can get a thrilling new experience and perspective on the battlefield? Or maybe the armor is just left behind and gets handed out to a few chosen cultists who volunteer for possession?

My current plan is to replace the heads with Daemonette heads and then get weapons to make them all WYSIWYG, and then pretty much keep the core bodies intact. These are the old dark eldar troop unit, so the armor is mostly just black with a little bit of spikey. I like the idea of how they will look at the end, I was just curious about how that might run with the lore.
   
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All works - Slaanesh can do what it likes with the soul and body of a devoured Eldar - it can shove someting back in the flesh suit and let it wander about.

Some Eldar also worship Slaanesh and would likely look as you describe.

Lastly a Deamon could look like a corrupted Edlar - cos why not.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
All works - Slaanesh can do what it likes with the soul and body of a devoured Eldar - it can shove someting back in the flesh suit and let it wander about.

Some Eldar also worship Slaanesh and would likely look as you describe.

Lastly a Deamon could look like a corrupted Edlar - cos why not.


What I've never understood is why there aren't more chaotic eldar following Khorne. One might think that it would amuse Khorne (or a daemon aligned with khorne) to withold these juicy morsels so sought after by Slaanesh in exchange for bloody blood worship.

Especially given how berserk eldar from every faction seem to go in battle.

"Wow, that was sure some great battle! My war trance was great today - I felt such an exultant feeling gutting those humans!"

"Uh, steve, your war mask..."

"Yeah?"

"it's not on..."

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"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

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the_scotsman wrote:


What I've never understood is why there aren't more chaotic eldar following Khorne.


You say it like Khorne isn't plausibly an aspect of Khaine.
   
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You are describing "the parched" who live in the lowest levels of the dark city.

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the_scotsman wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
All works - Slaanesh can do what it likes with the soul and body of a devoured Eldar - it can shove someting back in the flesh suit and let it wander about.

Some Eldar also worship Slaanesh and would likely look as you describe.

Lastly a Deamon could look like a corrupted Edlar - cos why not.


What I've never understood is why there aren't more chaotic eldar following Khorne. One might think that it would amuse Khorne (or a daemon aligned with khorne) to withold these juicy morsels so sought after by Slaanesh in exchange for bloody blood worship.

Especially given how berserk eldar from every faction seem to go in battle.

"Wow, that was sure some great battle! My war trance was great today - I felt such an exultant feeling gutting those humans!"

"Uh, steve, your war mask..."

"Yeah?"

"it's not on..."


I enjoyed that - and good point - stealing souls from the other gods will please any of the big 4. Nurgle can base his own claim on that isha is his captive after "rescuing" her from Slaanesh - I doubt she appreciated it! Eldar are qwell suited to scheming and pyschic shenanigans that would garner the attention of Tzeentch, and quite right - Khaine is part of Khorne - hence the battle between him and Slaanesh over the god.

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on the forum. Obviously

Yeah, why aren't there chaotic Eldar? That never made sense to me. Every other psychic sensitive race under the sun seems prone to fall to chaos, but not the most psychic race? Prior to the fall one could assume that the Eldar's own gods gave them a reason to not follow the Ruinous powers, as why worship them when you could worship their less dangerous counterparts?

But after the death of their gods, one would think that some Eldar would turn to chaos to fill the void left by their gods, to get back at Slaanesh or out of loyalty to them. Eldar that revered Isha, for example, may choose to follow Nurgle not for his sake, but for her sake. Eldar that miss Khaine would turn to Khorne, seeing parts of Khaine within him, and so on. You get the idea.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, why aren't there chaotic Eldar? That never made sense to me. Every other psychic sensitive race under the sun seems prone to fall to chaos, but not the most psychic race? Prior to the fall one could assume that the Eldar's own gods gave them a reason to not follow the Ruinous powers, as why worship them when you could worship their less dangerous counterparts?

But after the death of their gods, one would think that some Eldar would turn to chaos to fill the void left by their gods, to get back at Slaanesh or out of loyalty to them. Eldar that revered Isha, for example, may choose to follow Nurgle not for his sake, but for her sake. Eldar that miss Khaine would turn to Khorne, seeing parts of Khaine within him, and so on. You get the idea.


They are occasionally referenced in old fluff - but would be a source of some fun new models

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, why aren't there chaotic Eldar? That never made sense to me. Every other psychic sensitive race under the sun seems prone to fall to chaos, but not the most psychic race? Prior to the fall one could assume that the Eldar's own gods gave them a reason to not follow the Ruinous powers, as why worship them when you could worship their less dangerous counterparts?

But after the death of their gods, one would think that some Eldar would turn to chaos to fill the void left by their gods, to get back at Slaanesh or out of loyalty to them. Eldar that revered Isha, for example, may choose to follow Nurgle not for his sake, but for her sake. Eldar that miss Khaine would turn to Khorne, seeing parts of Khaine within him, and so on. You get the idea.


They are occasionally referenced in old fluff - but would be a source of some fun new models


It's probably just that aesthetically and thematically the niche was filled by Dark Eldar. They probably feel Chaos Eldar would just confuse things.
   
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But Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar though.
They actively avoid contact with demons, iirc.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
But Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar though.
They actively avoid contact with demons, iirc.


True dat. They do feed Slaanesh thoughout their lives

Some do have truk with Daemons to get an advantage over enemies - it seldom ends well

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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
But Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar though.
They actively avoid contact with demons, iirc.


Yeah, we know that. But to a new or casual player, it would be confusing.

Look at it superficially. What would Chaos Eldar most likely look like? Spikey? Skulls? S&M gear? Chains and hooks? Evil looking weaponry?

Yeah, that's Dark Eldar.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done differently, just that I understand why GW would choose not to.
   
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Eldar souls are just tormented - they probably can't actually break though. Too stubborn.

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 Stux wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
But Dark Eldar aren't Chaos Eldar though.
They actively avoid contact with demons, iirc.


Yeah, we know that. But to a new or casual player, it would be confusing.

Look at it superficially. What would Chaos Eldar most likely look like? Spikey? Skulls? S&M gear? Chains and hooks? Evil looking weaponry?

Yeah, that's Dark Eldar.

I'm not saying it couldn't be done differently, just that I understand why GW would choose not to.


There's also the issue of mechanics. What playstyle would "chaos eldar" play that Craftworlds, Drukhari and Harlequins don't already cover?
   
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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, why aren't there chaotic Eldar? That never made sense to me. Every other psychic sensitive race under the sun seems prone to fall to chaos, but not the most psychic race? Prior to the fall one could assume that the Eldar's own gods gave them a reason to not follow the Ruinous powers, as why worship them when you could worship their less dangerous counterparts?

But after the death of their gods, one would think that some Eldar would turn to chaos to fill the void left by their gods, to get back at Slaanesh or out of loyalty to them. Eldar that revered Isha, for example, may choose to follow Nurgle not for his sake, but for her sake. Eldar that miss Khaine would turn to Khorne, seeing parts of Khaine within him, and so on. You get the idea.

The problem here is that the Eldar don't know that Nurgle has Isha, as far as they know she's dead and Nurgle beang all about decay and desease is pretty much the polar opposite of what Isha was so I doubt there's going to be anyone following down that line.

With Khaine, the Eldar never followed him out of reverence but more like appeasement, he was the Bloody Handed God of Murder, known for having tried to exterminate the Eldar, the whole point of the Aspect Shrines is to control the impulses and emotions that fuelled Khaine out of fear of what they could do or become, or create, should they fully fall to those emotions. Willingly following Khorn makes little sense in that context.

   
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I always felt that given how much of a hold Slaanesh has on each Eldar soul, any Eldar that actively worshiped chaos would get eaten in an instant. Each offshoot of the Eldar are essentially based around how they avoid having their souls going to Slaanesh, so it makes sense that dropping of that path would be a quick death.
   
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Thanks for all the feedback! I really liked the idea of the model but was a little worried it would end up being a little to Fan-fic-ish than I wanted. It sounds like I wasn't too far off base in thinking there are some plausible reasons to have Dark Eldar looking minion running around for Slaanesh to keep my Noise Marines out of trouble (assuming that MEQ ever gets buffed to survive a turn on the table).

To be fair, I honestly think of DE as already serving Slaanesh as each one alive is essentially paying a soul tax to keep doing its thing! I would love to be able to mix up the forces a little on the table top to represent a group of DE that just decide to lean in on the serving she who hungers for a tax break.
   
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"Counts as" has a ton of mileage. If you have a theme you want, and can find a data-sheet that works for it, hell yes put some DE on the table.
   
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 Imateria wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, why aren't there chaotic Eldar? That never made sense to me. Every other psychic sensitive race under the sun seems prone to fall to chaos, but not the most psychic race? Prior to the fall one could assume that the Eldar's own gods gave them a reason to not follow the Ruinous powers, as why worship them when you could worship their less dangerous counterparts?

But after the death of their gods, one would think that some Eldar would turn to chaos to fill the void left by their gods, to get back at Slaanesh or out of loyalty to them. Eldar that revered Isha, for example, may choose to follow Nurgle not for his sake, but for her sake. Eldar that miss Khaine would turn to Khorne, seeing parts of Khaine within him, and so on. You get the idea.

The problem here is that the Eldar don't know that Nurgle has Isha, as far as they know she's dead and Nurgle beang all about decay and desease is pretty much the polar opposite of what Isha was so I doubt there's going to be anyone following down that line.

With Khaine, the Eldar never followed him out of reverence but more like appeasement, he was the Bloody Handed God of Murder, known for having tried to exterminate the Eldar, the whole point of the Aspect Shrines is to control the impulses and emotions that fuelled Khaine out of fear of what they could do or become, or create, should they fully fall to those emotions. Willingly following Khorn makes little sense in that context.



Yeah ok, that's a fair point.
What reasons would an Eldar have for following a Chaos god then? Desperation? Spite? Better health insurance?

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Yeah ok, that's a fair point.
What reasons would an Eldar have for following a Chaos god then? Desperation? Spite? Better health insurance?


Insanity? It's a thing, can you imagine trying to suppress all your emotions day in and day out? And Eldar have Vulcan emotions.....
DE randomly go insane, and I doubt the pimp master general would let anyone survive who knew about any successful Chaos Dark Eldar 'converts'.

I'm sure a few could go nuts and follow She who thirsts out of some misguided thought that that would save them from their inevitable snack time as the snack.

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