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With the addition of Errata to the Harlequins codex, that makes twenty one out of twenty one books released for 8th (1 rulebook, 19 codexes, and 1 Chapter Approved) that had errors that required fixing.

While I appreciate the fact they did fix them, the fact remains there were an unacceptable amount of errors to begin with. When you need to errata a book BEFORE IT IS ON SALE, and have to Errata your Big Book of Errata is when I say GW have no right for charging money for them without straight up admitting they are fleecing you.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
With the addition of Errata to the Harlequins codex, that makes twenty one out of twenty one books released for 8th (1 rulebook, 19 codexes, and 1 Chapter Approved) that had errors that required fixing.

While I appreciate the fact they did fix them, the fact remains there were an unacceptable amount of errors to begin with. When you need to errata a book BEFORE IT IS ON SALE, and have to Errata your Big Book of Errata is when I say GW have no right for charging money for them without straight up admitting they are fleecing you.

Stop buying them then.

So what? I bet there are errors in most printed materials.

Perhaps not buying such imperfect things should be a course you consider, since it seems to irk you so.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
With the addition of Errata to the Harlequins codex, that makes twenty one out of twenty one books released for 8th (1 rulebook, 19 codexes, and 1 Chapter Approved) that had errors that required fixing.

While I appreciate the fact they did fix them, the fact remains there were an unacceptable amount of errors to begin with. When you need to errata a book BEFORE IT IS ON SALE, and have to Errata your Big Book of Errata is when I say GW have no right for charging money for them without straight up admitting they are fleecing you.

THIS JUST IN: Water is wet, snow is cold and humans make mistakes.

I've had to drop FAR more on textbooks that had errors (and this isn't to count the US Army regulations I've seen with errors despite having a bigger budget to spend on stuff than GW does) than I do GW's books. Mistakes happen and sometimes you can miss errors even if you re-read something dozens of times.

Oh look. BCB’s rant returns. Video games do this too. In fact, most companies have to, to varying degrees. Get over it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
THIS JUST IN: Water is wet, snow is cold and humans make mistakes.

I've had to drop FAR more on textbooks that had errors (and this isn't to count the US Army regulations I've seen with errors despite having a bigger budget to spend on stuff than GW does) than I do GW's books. Mistakes happen and sometimes you can miss errors even if you re-read something dozens of times.

But errors in 100% of their materials? Of course, humans make mistakes. But, it shows how poorly GW is doing with their rulebooks when 100% of the product line has errors.

SG

 ServiceGames wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
THIS JUST IN: Water is wet, snow is cold and humans make mistakes.

I've had to drop FAR more on textbooks that had errors (and this isn't to count the US Army regulations I've seen with errors despite having a bigger budget to spend on stuff than GW does) than I do GW's books. Mistakes happen and sometimes you can miss errors even if you re-read something dozens of times.

But errors in 100% of their materials? Of course, humans make mistakes. But, it shows how poorly GW is doing with their rulebooks when 100% of the product line has errors.

SG

There are different errors in every book. It's not like they're constantly repeating the same exact error in every book.

Dude then quit the game and stop posting. Almost every product that is printed or released via digital media has errors. Video games have bugs, shows and movies have plot holes and continuity errors. Books have things printed wrong.

Send your resumee to GW as spellchecker.

This is among the most petty of threads.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
THIS JUST IN: Water is wet, snow is cold and humans make mistakes.

I've had to drop FAR more on textbooks that had errors (and this isn't to count the US Army regulations I've seen with errors despite having a bigger budget to spend on stuff than GW does) than I do GW's books. Mistakes happen and sometimes you can miss errors even if you re-read something dozens of times.

But errors in 100% of their materials? Of course, humans make mistakes. But, it shows how poorly GW is doing with their rulebooks when 100% of the product line has errors.

SG

There are different errors in every book. It's not like they're constantly repeating the same exact error in every book.

Except the first few codexes where they forgot to limit the Relic stratagem to once per battle? Same error, different codexes. By your own logic, you agree with us.

Once again, You should totally stop buying such flawed books. Problem solved.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
THIS JUST IN: Water is wet, snow is cold and humans make mistakes.

I've had to drop FAR more on textbooks that had errors (and this isn't to count the US Army regulations I've seen with errors despite having a bigger budget to spend on stuff than GW does) than I do GW's books. Mistakes happen and sometimes you can miss errors even if you re-read something dozens of times.

But errors in 100% of their materials? Of course, humans make mistakes. But, it shows how poorly GW is doing with their rulebooks when 100% of the product line has errors.

SG

There are different errors in every book. It's not like they're constantly repeating the same exact error in every book.

Except the first few codexes where they forgot to limit the Relic stratagem to once per battle? Same error, different codexes. By your own logic, you agree with us.

I don't agree because that limit was only introduced to deal with players who were abusing RAW to circumvent RAI. Which is what most erratta are created for: to bring the game we play more in line with the game they intend for us to play.

Have you even bothered to read the errata? If you have then you would realize the only errata is not because of an error with the book, but because the developers have decided to change Fly and Flip belts to work only in the movement phase. If you are going to complain, at least know what you are complaining about.

GW has never written a book they didn't make FAQ corrections to in any edition ever. In fact, I can't recall any miniatures or RPG game where that wasn't true.

I'm all for bashing GW when they deserve it, but this is a pretty common thing across games in general.

 Vaktathi wrote:
GW has never written a book they didn't make FAQ corrections to in any edition ever. In fact, I can't recall any miniatures or RPG game where that wasn't true.

I'm all for bashing GW when they deserve it, but this is a pretty common thing across games in general.

Has WotC released Errata for literally every single one of the books they've released for 5th Edition?

SG

I haven't played D&D 5E so I can't comment on that one

But thinking back to other RPGs ive played, previous editions of D&D or FFG's 40k games, damn near everything had errata.

 ServiceGames wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
GW has never written a book they didn't make FAQ corrections to in any edition ever. In fact, I can't recall any miniatures or RPG game where that wasn't true.

I'm all for bashing GW when they deserve it, but this is a pretty common thing across games in general.

Has WotC released Errata for literally every single one of the books they've released for 5th Edition?

SG

If they haven't it doesn't mean there aren't potential issues, but rather (and sadly more likely) they aren't addressing them unless they break the game in a fundamental way.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
With the addition of Errata to the Harlequins codex, that makes twenty one out of twenty one books released for 8th (1 rulebook, 19 codexes, and 1 Chapter Approved) that had errors that required fixing.

While I appreciate the fact they did fix them, the fact remains there were an unacceptable amount of errors to begin with. When you need to errata a book BEFORE IT IS ON SALE, and have to Errata your Big Book of Errata is when I say GW have no right for charging money for them without straight up admitting they are fleecing you.

Bit of a technicality, but that is false. Chaos renegade knight is a book and has no errata

 LunarSol wrote:
This is among the most petty of threads.

If you think that's bad, you should look up BCB's reddit profile under the same name. Yikes.

Spoletta wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
With the addition of Errata to the Harlequins codex, that makes twenty one out of twenty one books released for 8th (1 rulebook, 19 codexes, and 1 Chapter Approved) that had errors that required fixing.

While I appreciate the fact they did fix them, the fact remains there were an unacceptable amount of errors to begin with. When you need to errata a book BEFORE IT IS ON SALE, and have to Errata your Big Book of Errata is when I say GW have no right for charging money for them without straight up admitting they are fleecing you.

Bit of a technicality, but that is false. Chaos renegade knight is a book and has no errata

It's an index, that is true. But it also doesn't have a physical release. Can things really be books if they are just arbitrary 1's and 0's instead of being mulched tree carcass?

As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

 Grimtuff wrote:
As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

I would have. Namely because I've seen it too often. Humans err. It's basically a feature of being human at this point. It only gets worse when you go over your own stuff again and again knowing what you intend and only find out once it reaches the masses that it wasn't as clear to others as it was to you. Heck, people take courses on communication because of stuff like this.

Point is that it's a very petty thing to be mad about when the errata prove that GW is doing what they can to clear up that issue of communication instead of just leaving it alone and calling it good.

 Grimtuff wrote:
As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

Whining? I am not whining. I am complaining.

THIIIIIIIIIS IS WHIIIIIIIIINING. Assault weapons don't woooooooork. Spore mines have iiiiiiiiiinfinite raaaaaaaange. Why can't I charge Wave Serpents!?!?

Mod Disclaimer: This was what is commonly known as a joke. It is intended to be a humorous post containing biting self-deprecating satire. It is not intended to be "rude" or "impolite".

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Point is that it's a very petty thing to be mad about when the errata prove that GW is doing what they can to clear up that issue of communication instead of just leaving it alone and calling it good.

Again it seems people have missed the point somewhat. I am not angry they are fixing the errors, or even that there are errors, but the fact that errors are in EVERY. SINGLE. BOOK.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

Whining? I am not whining. I am complaining.

THIIIIIIIIIS IS WHIIIIIIIIINING. Assault weapons don't woooooooork. Spore mines have iiiiiiiiiinfinite raaaaaaaange. Why can't I charge Wave Serpents!?!?

Mod Disclaimer: This was what is commonly known as a joke. It is intended to be a humorous post containing biting self-deprecating satire. It is not intended to be "rude" or "impolite".

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Point is that it's a very petty thing to be mad about when the errata prove that GW is doing what they can to clear up that issue of communication instead of just leaving it alone and calling it good.

Again it seems people have missed the point somewhat. I am not angry they are fixing the errors, or even that there are errors, but the fact that errors are in EVERY. SINGLE. BOOK.

You missed my point: when reviewing your own work it's easy to miss things as your brain will fill in any potholes automatically. This is a large part of why RAI and RAW don't always match and need tweaks to bring them in line with each other.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You missed my point: when reviewing your own work it's easy to miss things as your brain will fill in any potholes automatically. This is a large part of why RAI and RAW don't always match and need tweaks to bring them in line with each other.

Once, I can understand. Even three or four times. But not Twenty One times.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

Whining? I am not whining. I am complaining.

THIIIIIIIIIS IS WHIIIIIIIIINING. Assault weapons don't woooooooork. Spore mines have iiiiiiiiiinfinite raaaaaaaange. Why can't I charge Wave Serpents!?!?

Mod Disclaimer: This was what is commonly known as a joke. It is intended to be a humorous post containing biting self-deprecating satire. It is not intended to be "rude" or "impolite".

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Point is that it's a very petty thing to be mad about when the errata prove that GW is doing what they can to clear up that issue of communication instead of just leaving it alone and calling it good.

Again it seems people have missed the point somewhat. I am not angry they are fixing the errors, or even that there are errors, but the fact that errors are in EVERY. SINGLE. BOOK.

Again, please point out a video game that has no bugs or crashes. A novel with not a single grammar or spelling error. Almost everything released today has flaws. Unlike previous additions GW is trying to patch things in an active manor.


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HoundsofDemos wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
As much as I hate to stick up for our resident porcine cat, telling him to "just quit" isn't exactly productive. If your kids start doing dumbfethery, do you just kick them out the door as you're just moaning about it not being perfect? It's the very fact he cares that he whines so much.

How many of you would have chimed in with the same comment if it was not posted by our resident whiny pontificator whose reputation precedes him?

Whining? I am not whining. I am complaining.

THIIIIIIIIIS IS WHIIIIIIIIINING. Assault weapons don't woooooooork. Spore mines have iiiiiiiiiinfinite raaaaaaaange. Why can't I charge Wave Serpents!?!?

Mod Disclaimer: This was what is commonly known as a joke. It is intended to be a humorous post containing biting self-deprecating satire. It is not intended to be "rude" or "impolite".

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Point is that it's a very petty thing to be mad about when the errata prove that GW is doing what they can to clear up that issue of communication instead of just leaving it alone and calling it good.

Again it seems people have missed the point somewhat. I am not angry they are fixing the errors, or even that there are errors, but the fact that errors are in EVERY. SINGLE. BOOK.

Again, please point out a video game that has no bugs or crashes. A novel with not a single grammar or spelling error. Almost everything released today has flaws. Unlike previous editions GW is trying to patch things in an active manor.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
You missed my point: when reviewing your own work it's easy to miss things as your brain will fill in any potholes automatically. This is a large part of why RAI and RAW don't always match and need tweaks to bring them in line with each other.

Once, I can understand. Even three or four times. But not Twenty One times.

If it was a constant repeating of the same issues I'd probably agree, but it's not. It's dozens of rules being written by a team at the same time and it's easy for people to all know how something is "supposed" to work only to find out later than the community who wasn't involved in the design process didn't read it the same way and now you need to go back and clarify it.

Communication is a messy thing and you're asking for it to be perfect the first time every time. We can't even communicate that clearly and consistently on forums (see you tagging your own post to point out that you were joking as an example of how clarification can be required on something you know but others might not) and you want it to be done via dead tree format? Sorry, but it's not that easy.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again, please point out a video game that has no bugs or crashes. A novel with not a single grammar or spelling error. Almost everything released today has flaws. Unlike previous additions GW is trying to patch things in an active manor.

Call me old fashioned but I remember when you bought a game you could reasonably expect it to work without Day 1 DLC and Fixes. GW treating their books like SaaS but charging you as if they are complete products is what I find most insulting. They don't even update the ePubs.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Again, please point out a video game that has no bugs or crashes. A novel with not a single grammar or spelling error. Almost everything released today has flaws. Unlike previous additions GW is trying to patch things in an active manor.

Call me old fashioned but I remember when you bought a game you could reasonably expect it to work without Day 1 DLC and Fixes. GW treating their books like SaaS but charging you as if they are complete products is what I find most insulting. They don't even update the ePubs.

Your nostalgia is showing. There are plenty of games that were released that were blatant broken cash grabs. Anything published by "LJN" for example.