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On Saturday I will have my first match against Tyranids. Because of his low collection we will play only 1000 points. Genestealer, Termagants, Lictor and Tyranid Warrior will be only his options. In order of this and having not many idea how to fight against them ( the only thing I know is to kill first his Genestealers) I make two list.

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [71 PL, 998pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Gametype: Matched

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, 115pts]: Adept of the Codex, Master-crafted boltgun, Power fist, The Armour Indomitus, Twin boltgun, Warlord

Primaris Librarian [7 PL, 101pts]: 4) Fury of the Ancients, 6) Null Zone, Force sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 95pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle
. 4x Intercessor
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power sword

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 103pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 103pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

+ Elites +

Tyrannic War Veterans [11 PL, 126pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 165pts]: Twin autocannon
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolter

+ Fast Attack +

Inceptor Squad [10 PL, 135pts]: Assault bolter, 2x Inceptor, Inceptor Sergeant

++ Total: [71 PL, 998pts] ++

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And the second list




++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [66 PL, 1000pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Gametype: Matched

Use Beta Rules

+ HQ +

Captain [5 PL, 101pts]: Adept of the Codex, Power fist, Storm shield, The Shield Eternal, Warlord

Lieutenants [4 PL, 72pts]
. Lieutenant: Bolt pistol, Power fist

Primaris Librarian [7 PL, 101pts]: 2) Might of Heroes, 6) Null Zone, Force sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 103pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 88pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Elites +

Tyrannic War Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Tyrannic War Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Tyrannic War Veterans [5 PL, 72pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 154pts]: Assault cannon
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Storm Bolter: Storm bolter

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 75pts]
. 2x Scout Biker: 2x Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Twin boltgun

++ Total: [66 PL, 1000pts] ++

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We will play without the new FAQ. We leave it till the next bigger match. I know it is boring a list of 1000, and more being SM, but, I tried to put as many boddies as posible for not being 4 to 1 in total units.

Thanks in advance. I will accept any advice

Why no Assault cannons?

TubbyDino wrote:
Why no Assault cannons?

At the end we decided to play up to 1200 this match. I did some changes and I have a new list. Wil be playing with a Predator but i am not sure if only give him the autocannon and HB or The cannon and the LC for hunting his Big units. This is the Only doubt I have.

Hi Alex,

It's almost 5am here in the uk so apologies if any of the following doesn't make as much sense as I intend it to?

First up; Troops/list 1. I like the tactical squads, maybe swap one to a heavy bolter? The change shaves 5pts as well as unlocking the hellfire shells stratagem which allows you to dish out some mortal wounds at range. hell, the cost is identical, and you have 3 troops anyway for the battalion, swap to the heavy slot and boom! devastator squad. advantages of this include the cherub (to fire twice) and the signum on the sgt increasing to 2+ BS... which when using the strat increases the chances of the single shot hitting from 66% to ~83%....for free.

List 2 looks better to me on account of the MSU Tyrannic War Vets...The tactical sqaud change has already been implemented, and the list seems a little more focused. fighting nids the extra range afforded by the special ammo should prove valuable. still feel like your ranged support is lacking though. normally I'd reccomend Razorbacks but as you're only playing small games I pressume your collection isn't huge? so amybe stick the lascannons on the sponsons for the Predator. maybe drop scout bikes? they seem a little lacking regretably.... between them and the primaris Librarian you've a lot of points tied up in stuff I fear won't benefit you enough for their cost? -An ancient w banner might suit the list well, but I'd be more inclined to grab a devastator squad with 3 Lascannons and Heavy Bolter nd a few ablative wound marines...


Hope this helps?

GamerGuy


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On further consideration... you don't have anything with variable number of shots, and our stratagems aren't exactly ground breaking.... how CP hungry is your play at this point level? I'd almost be tempted to drop the entire battalion and rebuild around a vanguard of 3x TW Vets, Dreadnought, Predator and Devastators... Just my thoughts on the issue though!

Hi. Well, I try to use CP to hit as hard as I can, where I want and who I want. I usually play with two Battalion SM and spend half of my CP as soon as I can for stratagems.

Finally we will play at 1205 points. I did a new list.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [89 PL, 1202pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

Gametype: Matched

+ HQ +

Captain [5 PL, 110pts]: Adept of the Codex, Storm shield, The Shield Eternal, Thunder hammer, Warlord

Librarian [6 PL, 96pts]: 2) Might of Heroes, 6) Null Zone, Boltgun, Force stave

Sergeant Chronus [11 PL, 220pts]
. Predator: Predator autocannon, Two Lascannons

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 91pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Scout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. 4x Scout w/Boltgun

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 103pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 88pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun/Bolt pistol
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

+ Elites +

Tyrannic War Veterans [11 PL, 90pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Tyrannic War Veterans [11 PL, 90pts]
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Tyrannic War Veteran: Special issue boltgun
. Veteran Sergeant: Special issue boltgun

Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 169pts]: Assault cannon
. Dreadnought combat weapon w/Heavy Flamer: Heavy flamer

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [8 PL, 90pts]: Armorium Cherub
. 2x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Boltgun
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

++ Total: [89 PL, 1202pts] ++

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Swap the missile launcher in the tactical squad for one of the heavy bolters, that way you have 2 units able to utilise the hellfire shells strategem?

I won. I decided to deploy all my units in one long line, denied Deep Strike from behind. I covered Chronus and his predator with the scouts for prevent chargin him and also used the intercessors for it.

The missile launcher was a hero. First turn 4 damage, then second turn he charges the unit and in overwatch The ML hits again and did 3 damage killing one beast, he failed the charge and with the other unit he charged another 6 with the ML in overwatch doing 5 damage.

The match was decided once he charged my scouts and intercesor firt in second round with the genestealers. he didn`t declare charge against my Captain, then I did HI with him and did 12 damage againts (thanks to Might of Heroes).

3rd round he did the same mistake with his Broodlord, HI again and bye bye.

My Dreadnought also Killed his Warlord, leaving only his Carnifex, one Tyranit Warrior and a couple of hormagants.

I had really luck on Overwatch with the ML and he did also the big mistake with my Thunder Hammer Captain. If not this probably I would be different. His biovore was a pain in .... I had no fast units to go against them.