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Anyone here tried Mantic's Warpath? I don't see much information here on that game, and am wondering if anyone knows of good resources that compare these two game systems. 40K is fun, but I'm intrigued by Warpath too. Is it worth the effort to learn a new system? What are the pros and cons? I play socially with friends, so I'm not too worried about finding players, but am curious to hear from folks who've played both.
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Learning a game system is not much of a struggle really...most wargamers play loads of different games just fine - though 40K is an odd duck with regard to that. It's the 'Madden' of tabletop wargaming.
I haven't seen much on Warpath but if I recall it's the smaller skirmish game played on square-marked mats right? Looked neat. Mantic does such a gak job on minis though it never grabbed my attention --- they have a few good looking ones now though.
Have not played Warpath but have played Kings of War as a replacement for WHFB and enjoyed it. The sample rules are free so you and your friends can try before you buy.
http://www.manticgames.com/free-rules.html
Anyone here tried Mantic's Warpath? I don't see much information here on that game, and am wondering if anyone knows of good resources that compare these two game systems. 40K is fun, but I'm intrigued by Warpath too. Is it worth the effort to learn a new system? What are the pros and cons? I play socially with friends, so I'm not too worried about finding players, but am curious to hear from folks who've played both.
The models look great, but how valuable is a game that noone around you plays?
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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ChargerIIC wrote: The models look great, but how valuable is a game that noone around you plays?
That depends on your approach. If Warpath is the scale I think it is...the solution is simple: you host the game. This is how my first gaming group did things and it's how I've progressed through 20+ years of hobbying to where I am now. Wargaming (any wargame) is expensive and time consuming when done correctly.
If you have friends who are vaguely interested in the concept...don't go out and help them start buying models. Try hosting a game at your local place where you provide the models/scenery etc. All they have to do is play. Zero investment. If it scratches an itch, perhaps they'll join. You don't need people to play a game just to enjoy it - if you have friends willing to try new games. Take some responsibility and collect two or three forces, build a quality table/terrain and then run the event yourself.
You may not get a genuine challenge like you would from an army-collecting game like 40K, but it's one of the main reasons I own two 40K armies. If someone is interested in trying it out, or a friend is visiting from out of town - I can "host" the entire game myself. It's how we do all of our gaming. When I run my Old West games, it has nothing to do with other people collecting/buying miniatures etc.
I throw down the whole table, minis, terrain, dice, tape measures, etc. You don't have to bring anything beyond beer and snacks. If you find you like playing Old West, cool, start collecting your own miniatures. Stuff like 40K which is often seen as a disparate arms race between local players doesn't have to represent "how" people play this game.
If you friggin' loooove Warpath - buy it, built it, paint it, and host it. Now, if you have zero local friends willing to play something, then that's another issue entirely.
ChargerIIC wrote: The models look great, but how valuable is a game that noone around you plays?
That depends on your approach. If Warpath is the scale I think it is...the solution is simple: you host the game. This is how my first gaming group did things and it's how I've progressed through 20+ years of hobbying to where I am now. Wargaming (any wargame) is expensive and time consuming when done correctly.
If you have friends who are vaguely interested in the concept...don't go out and help them start buying models. Try hosting a game at your local place where you provide the models/scenery etc. All they have to do is play. Zero investment. If it scratches an itch, perhaps they'll join. You don't need people to play a game just to enjoy it - if you have friends willing to try new games. Take some responsibility and collect two or three forces, build a quality table/terrain and then run the event yourself.
You may not get a genuine challenge like you would from an army-collecting game like 40K, but it's one of the main reasons I own two 40K armies. If someone is interested in trying it out, or a friend is visiting from out of town - I can "host" the entire game myself. It's how we do all of our gaming. When I run my Old West games, it has nothing to do with other people collecting/buying miniatures etc.
I throw down the whole table, minis, terrain, dice, tape measures, etc. You don't have to bring anything beyond beer and snacks. If you find you like playing Old West, cool, start collecting your own miniatures. Stuff like 40K which is often seen as a disparate arms race between local players doesn't have to represent "how" people play this game.
If you friggin' loooove Warpath - buy it, built it, paint it, and host it. Now, if you have zero local friends willing to play something, then that's another issue entirely.
Ah, my bad. If Warpath is the 40K equivalent, then doing what I mentioned above is much more expensive - still an option, but not as easy as something like Deadzone. However, speaking of that - Deadzone might be the place to start. A smaller skirmish format, allowing you play sooner.
Unfortunately, as you can imagine, the larger the model count for the game, the harder it is to garner interest. 40K is a bizarre exception to that rule. However, check out Deadzone. If it's cool, you might still be able to enjoy it and run games for people.
Thanks all. I've got a handful of buddies into Deadzone. We've been distracted by Kill Team, but DZ is a much more interesting game (IMO), so we likely will drift back to DZ, which is why I was curious about Warpath (same universe, bigger scale).
Well, unless our short attention spans are caught by something else...
Like Drowned Earth. Relic Blade. Kings of War Vanguard. Or any other countless titles I get distracted by!
Elbows wrote: Ah, my bad. If Warpath is the 40K equivalent, then doing what I mentioned above is much more expensive - still an option, but not as easy as something like Deadzone. However, speaking of that - Deadzone might be the place to start. A smaller skirmish format, allowing you play sooner.
Unfortunately, as you can imagine, the larger the model count for the game, the harder it is to garner interest. 40K is a bizarre exception to that rule. However, check out Deadzone. If it's cool, you might still be able to enjoy it and run games for people.
They already play 40k, so Warpath has zero financial outlay required to play (well, apart from printing out the rules if they prefer a physical copy). All the Deadzone/Warpath factions are pretty easily mapped to 40k miniatures.
Never heard of Warpath but I have never looked at a Mantic model and thought "that looks good".
TO of Death Before Dishonour - A Warhammer 40k Tournament with a focus on great battles between well painted, thematic armies on tables with full terrain.
I have an entire army of enforcers. 4 ships, 15 bikes, about 50 pathfinders (snipers), and over a hundred actual enforcers, covering all variants. I pieced it all out by points and it’s something like 6000pts. And I’ve yet to play a game. However, it was fairly inexpensive to buy; between Kickstarter and miniature market deals, I probably spent $300 on all that.
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timetowaste85 wrote: I have an entire army of enforcers. 4 ships, 15 bikes, about 50 pathfinders (snipers), and over a hundred actual enforcers, covering all variants. I pieced it all out by points and it’s something like 6000pts. And I’ve yet to play a game. However, it was fairly inexpensive to buy; between Kickstarter and miniature market deals, I probably spent $300 on all that.
Now this is the kind of dedication I can get behind! I laugh thinking about how many models I have that I've painted, based, cooed over, gently stroked, and whispered to... All before bundling them up in some nice foam tray... Never to be taken out again.
I have all the rules in digital format. I read through them, and I like them. The problem is that I live 90 miles from the closest game shop.
I all ready have problems finding games for something as mainstream as 40k. My only local gamer friend isn't too keen on learning a new rules set. Perhaps if I game him a free copy to read.
To which I'll reply - are you a wargamer, or a 40K player? Those two are seldom the same. If 40K is your only game of choice, then it's not surprising.
The Warpath Kickstarter was a bit of clusterfrag. They delivered only something like half the vehicles, then finally produced the remaining ones over a year later. This really killed my interest as I wanted to build an Asterian and GCPS force, but all the cool vehicles weren't there! They definitely timed it badly and GW swooped in with 8th Edition and loads of new shiny long before Warpath could deliver on its rewards. My Warpath stuff sits in a box until my interest returns.
The Terrain Crate modular terrain is nice, though. Definitely more 'normal' sci-fi than the gothic 40K stuff, just remember to buy extra connector clips.
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The Warpath game is divided into two rulesets. Warpath Firefight which is the 40k equivalent and Warpath which is more like epic with 28mm minis. I have played a couple of games of Firefight and in many ways it is a lot like 8th. Hit rolls are 3+ 4+ etc like 40k. There are some modifiers etc.
Main differences
Toughness and armour save are combined into a single defence roll.
Suppression is a thing, get shot at and its difficult to do anything but cower in cover. This is a good thing.
There are orders which work much like strategies but are generated in a different way.
Cover is different and in my opinion better. The major difference is the "line" where cover is drawn. in 40k it's 50% in Firefight you are in the clear or if your model is obscured at all you have cover. It's a really easy no arguments definition.
Vehicles work a bit like previous editions of 40k with a Defence rating which means basic weapons cannot harm tanks. Light vehicles are not so lucky.
There are special rules but more like the level of USRs in third, not the crazy gak you have in 8th.
My main dislike is the lack of granularity. It's a d6 system like 40k but with the Toughness and armour rolled into one its lost some detail.
ClockworkZion wrote: War-what? First time I've heard of it and that's coming from someone who shops an FLGS not a GW store for 40k.
Mantic is UK-based, and they don't get a lot of distribution in the US.
They were established by a couple of the old guard from GW, whom I believe were dissatisfied with the direction GW took. They started getting popular with their Kings of War line, which came out around the time WHFB End Times started. They've made a couple shots at producing a 40K killer replacement (Warpath is the current line), but nothing seems to have stuck yet. Deadzone seems to be pretty popular, it's on the line of game size with GW's Kill Team and it uses their Warpath world.
My Vampire Counts army is all Mantic Undead models, and I've also picked up a Forge Fathers (squats) army, but haven't gotten to field the latter. The former is being used for RuneWars right now. I have the Kings of War rules, but no one in my area wants to play it - they've either quit Fantasy, playing 9th Age or gone AoS.
I really like Mantic's Forge Fathers. Between them and GW's Dwarf range (the flying balloon steampunk guys who's name I can't quite remember) there is more than enough opportunity to make a good looking Squat force.
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