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Before I continue, please note that I am in no way experienced in the game or the lore, I just did a few days of reading wikis and noticed something.

The Great Rift, right? Big ol’ warp rift splitting the whole galaxy.

It spans the distance between The Eye of Terror and, according to the wikis, the Hadex Anomaly.

BUT... According to the this map of Corruption in the Galaxy...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c2/Known_Warp_Storms.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180115024650

It actually goes all the way from Kdask’s Labyrinth to The Pitworld of Kthar’Doom. That’s kinda splitting hairs, maybe, seeing as one could probably argue those are just the outermost bits of the Eye and the Anomaly, respectively.

But here’s my real question: WHAT is up with the ENTIRE GALACTIC CORE?

The whole thing is a complete black mass of warp shenanigans.

And according to the wikis, the Galactic core is a huge source of rare and expensive isotopes and whatnot. Makes sense, stellar collisions and whatnot would probably make all kinds of interesting and exotic things. So we have a huge bulge in the Great Rift lining up perfectly with the galactic core... the Great rift, mind you, is actually really quite thin, relatively speaking in comparison to the Hadex Anomaly and the Eye of Terror... except at the expensive and desirable Galactic Core, which it engulfs in its entirety.

So far as I know (which again, I will freely admit is not very far all things considered), the galactic core was unreachable because of “ionic reefs, null zones, and nomadic singularities” according to the wikis. Nothing related to the Warp itself, except that they make warp travel hazardous.

So... why then is it all covered in Warp corruption stuff on that map?

Did I just stumble upon some kind of late-game Uber-final-Boss or something? When you look at the thin bits of the Great Rift, there’s a lower concentration of the specific warp storms, daemon incursions, and Daemon Worlds and Chaos Strongholds. But the Eye of Terror, and the Hadex Anomaly are both full of such events, but the massive bulge in the core, while having a few warp storms and the Maelstrom as a neighbor, only has one Daemon World/Chaos Stronghold anywhere near it... if you take into account the pattern of event density in the other two big dark zones and the uncharted nature of the Core, I’m led to believe there’s something really, REALLY bad just sitting in the middle of the galaxy, hidden and undiscovered within the galactic core. Where all the money is.

Also worth noting is the possible connection between black holes and the Warp - I believe the Eye of Terror is centered on the Cygnus X-1 Black hole, which is only 10 solar masses... and I believe some warp portals present themselves as black holes in space, though they can be other things like holes in the ground, dark caves, stuff like that.

The galactic core is home to a Supermassive Black Hole. Which may also be significant.

My best guess is based on a kind of extrapolation of the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu.

There are four Ruinous Powers, right? Pleasure/pain, plague/decay, warfare/violence/murder, and fate/change/sorcery.

All of these seem to have a common undercurrent of Evil.

Combine that with the theme of allegory to Abrahamic Religion, and I notice this: Four ersatz Horsemen, but no Single embodiment of Evil like Satan.

So my guess is, the Galactic Core hides the big bulge in the Great Rift, which is where we’d find the One Big Evil Thing that’s missing from the allegory - Emperor is allegorical God, this resurrected general person is allegorical Jesus, the Four Ruinous Powers are the Four Horsemen, and the main missing element is Allegorical Space-Satan himself.
   
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Errr.... not sure what your main point is but there isn’t a space Satan character, or hasn’t ever been one I should say. The link between current adrahamic religion and the emperor and the chaos pantheon in tenuous at best and one of only many interpretations. There isn’t a Jesus character although some rumours say Jesus was the emperor. The four horsemen don’t account exactly for the 4 main chaos gods either, I don’t recall one of them being a hemaphrodite kink beast. Also the mirror of Christianity doesn’t quite cover ORKS or eldar or tyranids.

I think the galactic core being the mess it is is more about the fact it looks pretty when drawn on the map. Sometimes that’s all there is to it with 40k.
   
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Interesting idea. I don't know if it's safe to assume that it has any bearing on Games-Workshops plans (I'm pretty sure they just make this stuff up as they go along), but it's still fun to think about.

Just don't go suggesting that you think this is a good idea. Nothing draws the ire of dakkanauts more than the suggestion of change, especially lore changes, and a big change such as adding a new Chaos overgod would draw their wrath in such voluminous waves of Khornate rage, that even Tzeench himself would be forced to throw his hands up and say, "alright, no change. Chill."
   
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Well, things change, right? Squats were taken away, apparently. I’m assuming the background story changes or has bits added on as new iterations of the game come out? I’m not real sure. I’m looking at this and thinking “what are the planning?”

And yeah, I know the allegory isn’t exact, nor is it completely and only based on Christianity.

As for “it looks pretty, that’s why they drew it like that”... where’s the fun in that?


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Re: Pulling Aggro: Well, I’m not really in a position to endorse anything one way or another. I’ve never even played the game. Total noob.

As for it being a change... it might not be a retroactive edit. Could be that as Chaos spreads and wreaks havoc, all the peoples of the galaxy end up having this common thread of vague evilness or whatever that might fuse them or give rise to a new Chaos overgod or something.

I mean, there’s all this talk about the end times coming. That seems like a pretty big bad thing to happen, worthy of apocalyptic prophesies.

I’m not saying they should, only positing that they could.

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Andykp wrote:
Errr.... not sure what your main point is but there isn’t a space Satan character, or hasn’t ever been one I should say. The link between current adrahamic religion and the emperor and the chaos pantheon in tenuous at best and one of only many interpretations. There isn’t a Jesus character although some rumours say Jesus was the emperor. The four horsemen don’t account exactly for the 4 main chaos gods either, I don’t recall one of them being a hemaphrodite kink beast. Also the mirror of Christianity doesn’t quite cover ORKS or eldar or tyranids.


yeaaah 40k religion isn't just christinaity with some differant names slapped on. That said there is a very clear Lucifer in 40k.

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That said there is a very clear Lucifer in 40k.

One of the best things about the 40K setting is that its Lucifer analogue was just a naive patsy for beings far more ancient and poweful, that he died during his rebellion ten thousand years ago, and that his closest followers view him as a pathetic failure and are pretty glad he's dead.

Subverting tropes makes for a far more compelling world than just slavishly analogising real-world myths.

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GlytchMeister wrote:
Well, things change, right? Squats were taken away, apparently. I’m assuming the background story changes or has bits added on as new iterations of the game come out? I’m not real sure. I’m looking at this and thinking “what are the planning?”


Or they aren't planning anything. Term closed door familiar? It's how Jervis describes how GW works. They put in random tidbits etc to make things look deeper or more pre-thought than they are. 2 missing legions? GW created them, GW likely doesn't have any idea what they are and why they are expunged. GW does this a lot. They are just there to give you APPEARANCE there is something behind when writers just put them in to make things look deep/cool/whatever and maybe as possible things to expand if they feel but not quaranteed.

So as to question "what are they planning?". Likely nothing.

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GlytchMeister wrote:
Before I continue, please note that I am in no way experienced in the game or the lore, I just did a few days of reading wikis and noticed something.

The Great Rift, right? Big ol’ warp rift splitting the whole galaxy.

It spans the distance between The Eye of Terror and, according to the wikis, the Hadex Anomaly.

BUT... According to the this map of Corruption in the Galaxy...

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c2/Known_Warp_Storms.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180115024650

It actually goes all the way from Kdask’s Labyrinth to The Pitworld of Kthar’Doom. That’s kinda splitting hairs, maybe, seeing as one could probably argue those are just the outermost bits of the Eye and the Anomaly, respectively.

But here’s my real question: WHAT is up with the ENTIRE GALACTIC CORE?

The whole thing is a complete black mass of warp shenanigans.

And according to the wikis, the Galactic core is a huge source of rare and expensive isotopes and whatnot. Makes sense, stellar collisions and whatnot would probably make all kinds of interesting and exotic things. So we have a huge bulge in the Great Rift lining up perfectly with the galactic core... the Great rift, mind you, is actually really quite thin, relatively speaking in comparison to the Hadex Anomaly and the Eye of Terror... except at the expensive and desirable Galactic Core, which it engulfs in its entirety.

So far as I know (which again, I will freely admit is not very far all things considered), the galactic core was unreachable because of “ionic reefs, null zones, and nomadic singularities” according to the wikis. Nothing related to the Warp itself, except that they make warp travel hazardous.

So... why then is it all covered in Warp corruption stuff on that map?

Did I just stumble upon some kind of late-game Uber-final-Boss or something? When you look at the thin bits of the Great Rift, there’s a lower concentration of the specific warp storms, daemon incursions, and Daemon Worlds and Chaos Strongholds. But the Eye of Terror, and the Hadex Anomaly are both full of such events, but the massive bulge in the core, while having a few warp storms and the Maelstrom as a neighbor, only has one Daemon World/Chaos Stronghold anywhere near it... if you take into account the pattern of event density in the other two big dark zones and the uncharted nature of the Core, I’m led to believe there’s something really, REALLY bad just sitting in the middle of the galaxy, hidden and undiscovered within the galactic core. Where all the money is.

Also worth noting is the possible connection between black holes and the Warp - I believe the Eye of Terror is centered on the Cygnus X-1 Black hole, which is only 10 solar masses... and I believe some warp portals present themselves as black holes in space, though they can be other things like holes in the ground, dark caves, stuff like that.

The galactic core is home to a Supermassive Black Hole. Which may also be significant.

My best guess is based on a kind of extrapolation of the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu.

There are four Ruinous Powers, right? Pleasure/pain, plague/decay, warfare/violence/murder, and fate/change/sorcery.

All of these seem to have a common undercurrent of Evil.

Combine that with the theme of allegory to Abrahamic Religion, and I notice this: Four ersatz Horsemen, but no Single embodiment of Evil like Satan.

So my guess is, the Galactic Core hides the big bulge in the Great Rift, which is where we’d find the One Big Evil Thing that’s missing from the allegory - Emperor is allegorical God, this resurrected general person is allegorical Jesus, the Four Ruinous Powers are the Four Horsemen, and the main missing element is Allegorical Space-Satan himself.


There is absolutely nothing to be questioning, its the Crimson Path. All the rift is is the eye of terror extending out as the rift. As for the black hole in the centre, the rift doesn't destroy them, like the planets, they are enveloped by the eye of terror, like the black hole on the Eldar world that Fulgrim became a daemon prince on.

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The Eye of Terror is off to the left side of the map. The bulge in the Galactic Core is linked to the Eye by a thin filament.

Re: Not “Space Christianity”; yeah, I got that. It’s not exact. My thought was that the four Ruinous Powers have specific... uh, for lack of a better word... jobs. One is all about war and killing and stuff, another is all about plague and decay, etc. so I figured they are a better fit as generals, second-in-commands, beneath a top dog who presided over ALL of the evil.

Closed door: well, alright. Two missing legions seems a bit small compared to a whole galactic core, but I see what you’re getting at. I’ve always found that to be a cheap trick. I prefer the Checkhov approach: If you hang a rifle over the mantle, it must go off at some point.
   
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I’m good with the idea that it could hide something nasty and love the idea of thinking outside the box a bit but you will get told you are “wrong” by various types on here. 40k has a lot of unknowns and it leaves it open for you to fill in the blanks. Don’t get pushed by some to provide quotes for everything or it’s not “canon”. I think the humans need an anti emperor. Could be fun.
   
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GlytchMeister wrote:
The Eye of Terror is off to the left side of the map. The bulge in the Galactic Core is linked to the Eye by a thin filament.

Re: Not “Space Christianity”; yeah, I got that. It’s not exact. My thought was that the four Ruinous Powers have specific... uh, for lack of a better word... jobs. One is all about war and killing and stuff, another is all about plague and decay, etc. so I figured they are a better fit as generals, second-in-commands, beneath a top dog who presided over ALL of the evil.

Closed door: well, alright. Two missing legions seems a bit small compared to a whole galactic core, but I see what you’re getting at. I’ve always found that to be a cheap trick. I prefer the Checkhov approach: If you hang a rifle over the mantle, it must go off at some point.


it's not jobs so much as sphere's of influence. subtle but important differance

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Andykp wrote:
I’m good with the idea that it could hide something nasty and love the idea of thinking outside the box a bit but you will get told you are “wrong” by various types on here. 40k has a lot of unknowns and it leaves it open for you to fill in the blanks. Don’t get pushed by some to provide quotes for everything or it’s not “canon”. I think the humans need an anti emperor. Could be fun.


Tbh from what little I’ve seen, Humanity is in a sorry state indeed - unified, or... at least more unified than we are now... but they’ve regressed back into a society entirely dependent on faith and religion, so much so that technology is apparently controlled by the theocracy, and as a result is stagnant if not outright backsliding, as the breakdown of the Golden Throne strongly indicates.

Granted, the current theocracy has a lot going for it - they have proof that unified belief among many can manifest as a being or representation of some sort in the Warp, and the proof of all the legends of magical shenanigans through the years have at least a kernel of truth.

But deifying the Emperor was a grave mistake. In putting unquestioning faith in him, they’ve made no backup plans like any good engineer would. If Humanity is to have a chance, they’ve got to realize the Emperor is a man. A great man, no doubt. Probably the greatest man to ever live. But a man, nonetheless, and accept that he will die and they need a new solution.

Off the top of my head, I’d be researching ways to create AI that can influence the Warp. Maybe instead of killing psykers, put them in a machine body that can be reprogrammed. It’s horrific slavery, but at least it’s not a waste of resources. An avenue of research into that concept would be how Daemons can inhabit a wholly mechanical body. Also maybe necrons? I don’t know enough about them.

Humans rise to meet the challenge they face, generally juuuuuust squeaking through by the skin of their teeth. Throw something bigger and badder at them and you’ll just kill off the weak and the strong will survive and now you’ve got an even more capable species.

The death of the emperor and the subsequent destruction would certainly serve as a great way to weed out the weak. Things like tech heresy, forbidden knowledge (like the research being done on the Pandaemonium) and stuff like that is likely to be the key to human survival. Not welcoming the Chaos Gods, just learning from them and their forces to create new, better tech to combat them.

Of course, the only way that’s ever gonna catch on is if the governing powers of the imperium are annhilated and what’s left of humanity “turns to chaos in desperation”. Most of those people will die or be corrupted because it seems humans in this universe don’t know about moderation. But a few will likely find the right balance, and rekindle the spark of progress that led them to the stars in the first place (because humans were capable of long distance jumps long before the Emperor - that’s how they spread across the galaxy in the first place). Redevelop all of those lost technologies, improve on them, master the laws of physics.

As for the warp’s exemption from the laws of physics (which I know someone will bring up): nah. It just has different laws. Laws hinting on mental and emotional foundations instead of mathematical ones. Thus the AI Psykers - make enough of them, have them all meditate and concentrate on the idea of taming the void, conquering the Ruinous Powers and containing them, stuff like that. Or utilizing a galaxy-wide mind control on all humans, using the growing psyker population as signal boosters. Or bringing about a warrior monk kind of institution where everyone calms themselves, empties their minds, banishes their fears, and meditates on peace and tranquility and order to forcibly impose the Realspace laws of physics on the entirety of the Warp. Humanity itself, as a collective, organized superorganism, will become a God.

Or just let enough humans and beings die that there’s simply not enough belief and thought in the galaxy to sustain the Ruinous Powers, and they all wither and fade away. Maybe by transferring humans into AI’s that are isolated from the void - still capable of emotion, still individual, but not organic and thus not “feeding” the Warp entities.


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BrianDavion wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
The Eye of Terror is off to the left side of the map. The bulge in the Galactic Core is linked to the Eye by a thin filament.

Re: Not “Space Christianity”; yeah, I got that. It’s not exact. My thought was that the four Ruinous Powers have specific... uh, for lack of a better word... jobs. One is all about war and killing and stuff, another is all about plague and decay, etc. so I figured they are a better fit as generals, second-in-commands, beneath a top dog who presided over ALL of the evil.

Closed door: well, alright. Two missing legions seems a bit small compared to a whole galactic core, but I see what you’re getting at. I’ve always found that to be a cheap trick. I prefer the Checkhov approach: If you hang a rifle over the mantle, it must go off at some point.


it's not jobs so much as sphere's of influence. subtle but important differance


Right, that’s what I meant.

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AI is a big no no in 40k. It all went a bit terminator sky net and it’s very much frowned upon in the setting now.


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Overall though I like your take on the setting.

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Andykp wrote:
AI is a big no no in 40k. It all went a bit terminator sky net and it’s very much frowned upon in the setting now.


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Overall though I like your take on the setting.


He seems really eager to turn humans into necrons through

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Just one of a list of potential strategies. *shrug* AI done wrong is disastrous, certainly. AI done right, however...
   
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GlytchMeister wrote:
Just one of a list of potential strategies. *shrug* AI done wrong is disastrous, certainly. AI done right, however...


despite my wisecrack about the Necrons being MOSTLY a wisecrack there was actually a reason I said it, putting human brains into AI would seemingly strip them of their souls. humanity might pretend to exist, but they'd effectively be dead.... just like necrons

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Andykp wrote:
Errr.... not sure what your main point is but there isn’t a space Satan character, or hasn’t ever been one I should say. The link between current adrahamic religion and the emperor and the chaos pantheon in tenuous at best and one of only many interpretations. There isn’t a Jesus character although some rumours say Jesus was the emperor. The four horsemen don’t account exactly for the 4 main chaos gods either, I don’t recall one of them being a hemaphrodite kink beast. Also the mirror of Christianity doesn’t quite cover ORKS or eldar or tyranids.

I think the galactic core being the mess it is is more about the fact it looks pretty when drawn on the map. Sometimes that’s all there is to it with 40k.


Kinda disagree with there is not space Jesus character, at least in a broad sense. Sanguinius died for our sins and got a holiday out of it lol.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
Just one of a list of potential strategies. *shrug* AI done wrong is disastrous, certainly. AI done right, however...


despite my wisecrack about the Necrons being MOSTLY a wisecrack there was actually a reason I said it, putting human brains into AI would seemingly strip them of their souls. humanity might pretend to exist, but they'd effectively be dead.... just like necrons


Eh. Maybe with a complex enough machine, the soul can be preserved. A brain is just a computer made of meat, after all. Just depends on how you see it, I suppose.
   
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GlytchMeister wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
Just one of a list of potential strategies. *shrug* AI done wrong is disastrous, certainly. AI done right, however...


despite my wisecrack about the Necrons being MOSTLY a wisecrack there was actually a reason I said it, putting human brains into AI would seemingly strip them of their souls. humanity might pretend to exist, but they'd effectively be dead.... just like necrons


Eh. Maybe with a complex enough machine, the soul can be preserved. A brain is just a computer made of meat, after all. Just depends on how you see it, I suppose.


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Andykp wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
Just one of a list of potential strategies. *shrug* AI done wrong is disastrous, certainly. AI done right, however...


despite my wisecrack about the Necrons being MOSTLY a wisecrack there was actually a reason I said it, putting human brains into AI would seemingly strip them of their souls. humanity might pretend to exist, but they'd effectively be dead.... just like necrons


Eh. Maybe with a complex enough machine, the soul can be preserved. A brain is just a computer made of meat, after all. Just depends on how you see it, I suppose.


Souls in 40k are very tangible things.


As Andy said, souls are very much a tangiable thing in 40k. but the soul is not simply the brain, it's possiable to be a living feeling, person... and not have a soul. they're called Blanks, or Pariahs.

we also know that the one example of a race that transfered their conciouisness into machines, the Necrons, lost their souls in the process.

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Oh. Well alright then.

Huh. That does complicate matters, a bit. Hmm.

I thought they started out without souls, like the... whatever they were, the star-people things that were given machine avatar bodies or something waaaay back when.

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GlytchMeister wrote:
Oh. Well alright then.

Huh. That does complicate matters, a bit. Hmm.

I thought they started out without souls, like the... whatever they were, the star-people things that were given machine avatar bodies or something waaaay back when.


no they lost their souls in transferance.

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My biggest gripe? You're thinking of the Imperials, space elves, and tau as "good". Chaos as "evil"..... and the orks are just "'ere to smashes it wiv a stick!"

The whole 40k concept has the universe as not that kind of place. The Imperium is every bit as "evil" as chaos, but in a different way. The eldar are the embodiment of Enochian "angels"...... good to the point of being insanely evil.
   
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My biggest gripe? You're thinking of the Imperials, space elves, and tau as "good". Chaos as "evil"..... and the orks are just "'ere to smashes it wiv a stick!"

The whole 40k concept has the universe as not that kind of place. The Imperium is every bit as "evil" as chaos, but in a different way. The eldar are the embodiment of Enochian "angels"...... good to the point of being insanely evil.


I recognize the Gray and Gray morality going on here. Criminy, the Imperium eats 1000 psykers a day to maintain FTL capabilities.

Overall, though, trying to preserve the integrity of the fabric of reality is the closest thing to “good” that the story has, and pursuing the utter wrecking of the laws of physics in the entire galaxy is pretty darn bad, as I see it. So... dark gray and very very dark gray (at best).

I mean... the imperium is messed up, don’t get me wrong. But boy howdy, ripping the whole galaxy to shreds and possibly mucking up the whole universe... kinda outweighs “killing lots of folks” by a little more than a tad.
   
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GlytchMeister wrote:
txaggieof08 wrote:
My biggest gripe? You're thinking of the Imperials, space elves, and tau as "good". Chaos as "evil"..... and the orks are just "'ere to smashes it wiv a stick!"

The whole 40k concept has the universe as not that kind of place. The Imperium is every bit as "evil" as chaos, but in a different way. The eldar are the embodiment of Enochian "angels"...... good to the point of being insanely evil.


I recognize the Gray and Gray morality going on here. Criminy, the Imperium eats 1000 psykers a day to maintain FTL capabilities.

Overall, though, trying to preserve the integrity of the fabric of reality is the closest thing to “good” that the story has, and pursuing the utter wrecking of the laws of physics in the entire galaxy is pretty darn bad, as I see it. So... dark gray and very very dark gray (at best).

I mean... the imperium is messed up, don’t get me wrong. But boy howdy, ripping the whole galaxy to shreds and possibly mucking up the whole universe... kinda outweighs “killing lots of folks” by a little more than a tad.




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Besides, there already is a solution to the issue of the warp tearing the galaxy apart: just wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy. The Great NomNommer is working on this as we speak.
   
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 Ginjitzu wrote:
Besides, there already is a solution to the issue of the warp tearing the galaxy apart: just wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy. The Great NomNommer is working on this as we speak.

Yep. Those are obviously the good guys!

   
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BrianDavion wrote:
GlytchMeister wrote:
Oh. Well alright then.

Huh. That does complicate matters, a bit. Hmm.

I thought they started out without souls, like the... whatever they were, the star-people things that were given machine avatar bodies or something waaaay back when.


no they lost their souls in transferance.


I mean didn’t the Ctan technically trick the Necrons into the transference process, and then eat their souls as their body’s were changed?

If so, then that doesn’t necessarily rule out a transference type scenario working well for humanity (not that I think it would ever happen realistically in the imperium), as long as there aren’t any star-gods hanging out ready to hoover up souls as their mortal shells are reconstituted. Perhaps there is a way to bind the soul to a machine with a humans old memories etc... in it, similarly to how daemons are bound to objects like weapons?

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