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Infiltrating Prowler






Yorkshire, UK

Spotted this morning:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1325371493/ministry-of-buildings-28mm-and-15mm-wargames-terra?ref=nav_search&result=project&term=Ministry%20of

Tons of pre-painted terrain in 28mm and 15mm scale. Looks ideal for Historical gamers (Bolt Action, Flames of War, Napoleonics etc) plus a couple of post-apocalyptic bits already up and sci-fi ruins promised as first stretch goal.

Will definitely be picking up a bunch of these on pay day and interested to see what else they do.

While you sleep, they'll be waiting...

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Been Around the Block




Pretty weak incentive to back the project.....
   
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Terrifying Doombull




Yikes. Tell me I'm reading that wrong, and they aren't asking for money for the privilege of buying from them with minor discounts. Plus surprise postage fees.

Efficiency is the highest virtue. 
   
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Fixture of Dakka





74 pounds for a 25 pound building? Why I’d be stupid not to buy it. Maybe I should pay 215 for a real bargain.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




Houston, TX

Doesn't this violate their TOS as all the "reward" amounts to is an overpriced coupon for a discount on another order? All giving him 200 pounds does is let you give him MORE money to buy crap at 20% off.
   
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Storm Trooper with Maglight





United Kingdom

Yeah those incentives are pretty poor. This is also being produced by the same group behind the failed 'Fractured Stars' Kickstarter project, if that's of any interest.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/763847.page

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

It seems very oddly structured and I figure they are only in it to make the pledge amount. First up its basically paying for commission painting on the products, however they've not scaled it in any way.

So you could buy their £200 option and order £2000 worth of product, which on top of that you then expect them to build and paint. Or you could order £4000 worth of product, but they still only have the £200 for the painting side of things.

So unless their base price includes commission work on the parts or the parts are made pre-painted, then they could likely hamstring themselves just on workload required; even from only a handful of orders. The other option is that they have rolled the commission price into the product price already, which would make more sense for them, but at the same time means that customers are indeed paying for a VERY expensive discount card.

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Houston, TX

 Oppl wrote:
Yeah those incentives are pretty poor. This is also being produced by the same group behind the failed 'Fractured Stars' Kickstarter project, if that's of any interest.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/763847.page


Yeah, I chuckled none of their offerings were in 20mm. Game creators - stop trying to make fetch happen. No one wants your proprietary scale...
   
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Fresh-Faced New User





Hi all, Simon here from MoB Games.


Ok, lets first deal with the elephant in the room. Yes, we are the team behind Fractured Stars and yes - it was a pretty catastrophic failure for a number of reasons

Looking back we can see a huge number of things we did wrong, down mainly to lack of experience (as we are a new company) and lack of funds (anyone know of a talented graphic designer willing to work for free coffee? ).

The biggest issue of course was our chosen scale, which many interpreted a being (as Bossk_Hogg puts it) 'fetch'. Whilst I can assure you this was not our intent we appreciate this lost us a lot of goodwill straight out of the gate.



This brings us to our current venture - Ministry of Buildings. There seems to be misunderstanding in this thread about what we are offering, so I would like to clarify things here and I will be adding a section to the FAQ on the campaign page on Kickstarter as well.

Every building that we sell has a retail price that we will eventually be selling them for. That price was reduced across the board and the prices you see on the campaign page are the Kickstarter prices. Based on you pledge level the price shown on every building will be reduced by the discount level you pledge for.

Example: Say you are a Bolt Action player and want some buildings to represent the outskirts of a village in Normandy. You decide you would like a shop and a large terrace, plus two large ruined terraces. The Kickstarter price for these items is £120, however because you have pledged at the Journeyman level this gives you a 10% discount, so the total price will be £108.

You will also as part of pledge receive a loyalty card that will entitle you to the same 10% discount off any retail orders you choose to make after the buildings become available at retail until the card expires.

Its worth pointing out that our first stretch goal is 'double discount' so if we achieve that the Journeyman discount will actually be 20%.


I hope this is now clear - LunarSol we're definitely not asking you to pay £74 for a £25 building and we're not violating the TOS in any way. What we want to do is give people access to the best deals possible without limiting their choices (hence why we chose to cut prices rather than say for instance 'here's a free 15mm church' and have you reply 'but I don't want a 15mm church')

Any questions let me know here or at our Kickstarter page and I'll do my best to answer them.



   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

MoB_Games wrote:


Example: Say you are a Bolt Action player and want some buildings to represent the outskirts of a village in Normandy. You decide you would like a shop and a large terrace, plus two large ruined terraces. The Kickstarter price for these items is £120, however because you have pledged at the Journeyman level this gives you a 10% discount, so the total price will be £108.

You will also as part of pledge receive a loyalty card that will entitle you to the same 10% discount off any retail orders you choose to make after the buildings become available at retail until the card expires.

Its worth pointing out that our first stretch goal is 'double discount' so if we achieve that the Journeyman discount will actually be 20%.



Wait so is it:

1) Pledge for Journeyman + pledge for building with 10% discount + postage
£100+£108+pp

2) Pledge for Journeyman + extra to cover + postage
£100+£8+pp

Because as it stands it looks like option 1, which is why you're getting the confused comments regarding the prices on things.
Also because of the way you've structured it, even if its option 2, you've made it rather confusing as now people have to add up their pledge amounts, then work out their own discount to then calculate how much to pledge and that's without adding in pp which will have to be done via a pledge manager afterwards. Miniature KS can get fiddly at times, but the approach you've taken appears to be almost needlessly complicated to casual view.

Also many (esp overseas) would want to know the postage costs, even if they are (at this stage) only estimations based on what you've put feelers out for in the postage market. Postage can be quite large based on size and weight (assembled minis/buildings are going to take up more room to pack and ship thus is going to put prices up somewhat over flatpack deliveries).

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Fresh-Faced New User





Hi overread, it's categorically option 2.

If you pledge £100 you will receive £100 of buildings. All the discount does is to make your options cheaper.

As for postage estimates, they will be added ASAP
   
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Infiltrating Prowler





Portland, OR

 Overread wrote:
2) Pledge for Journeyman + extra to cover + postage
£100+£8+pp
It is this option, at least that is how I read it.

You pledge X, that is the amount worth of terrain that you are purchasing. The 'price' is whatever the price shown minus the discount for your pledge level.

I am not sure why people are confused. This is how quite a few other Kickstarters have done it, although personally, I'm not a fan of X $ funds, only because pledge levels rarely add up to exactly your pledge level. They are always more or less. I guess there is confusion because of the discount level, but it is basically saying, pledge more, the prices for items are cheaper.

For example:

Journeyman - £100 worth of terrain at 10% off listed price.
If I wanted 6 ruined terrace (£30/per), total of £162 at Journeyman plus shipping. Basically makes each £30 building cost £27.

Craftsman - £150 worth of terrain at 15% off listed price.
If I wanted 6 ruined terrace (£30/per), total of £153 at Journeyman plus shipping. Basically makes each £30 building cost £25.50.

Master Craftsman - £200 worth of terrain at 20% off listed price.
If I wanted 6 ruined terrace (£30/per), total of £144 at Journeyman plus shipping... leaving an extra £56 still available to purchase terrain with. Basically makes each £30 building cost £24.

It isn't horribly expensive, not horribly cheap either... but they are painted and assembled. I don't mind the painting but because they are assembled, that will cost a bigger chunk of shipping. The big issue and real issue is going to be shipping costs.
   
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Rookie Pilot




Lotusland

Voss wrote:
Yikes. Tell me I'm reading that wrong, and they aren't asking for money for the privilege of buying from them with minor discounts. Plus surprise postage fees.


I think their intention is that you can apply the money you pledge to the buildings you buy.

So you're not paying £150 to be allowed to spend additional money to purchase buildings at 15% off (i.e. you pay £150 to be allowed to pay an additional £85 for £100 worth of buildings). Rather, I expect, you're pledging £150 to get £177 worth of buildings (based on the prices listed in the KS).

Though as it's written your interpretation does seem to be the RAW.

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Fresh-Faced New User





As the previous examples have confirmed, what you receive is goods equal to the value of your pledge.

The cost of each piece will be reduced by the level matching your pledge and these revised prices form the basis of your pledge manager.

An FAQ has been added to the Kickstarter page to confirm this.



We are also pleased to announce our commitment to guaranteed maximum shipping costs. If the cost is less, you will pay the lower amount and if it's more we pay the difference!

See update #4 or check out the details at the bottom of the main page for more info.
   
 
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