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Longtime Dakkanaut





How do you guys handle bases?

I am a uniform kind of guy, so I like everything the same. So if I am going to do one army a certain way, I intend to do them all the same way. I haven’t been one to put much into my basis either. I am old school and just paint and flock. For most of the time I’ve payed Epic and 40k, and never really did much for either. As a matter of fact, I actually shunned 40k minis that came with some kind of terrain that a figure might stand on.

But now, with the Bretonnians and Wood Elves battalion sets, I see that I could be doing a lot more to these bases to give them character. Some of my figures like the Skaven Warlord is standing on something, and some mages I have are floating in the and so on. Ok I am rambling here: what kind of effort do you put into the decor on your bases? I was thinking of trying to make each figure, even an Empire Spearman, it’s own diorama. Has anyone gone this far? I was thinking this could be done with chariots, and as a bigger model, kind of demands a nice base. So if I am going to do some, I might as well do them all. And I don’t mean to go overboard. Not EVERY model needs this kind of attention. Just some within the unit.

The only problem I am having is for armies that didn’t come with extra bits, like the Empire. I really wouldn’t know how to customize those bases. Not do I know where to get those bits.

I guess this comes down to whether I want to treat each model/unit like a diorama as much as a gaming piece.

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Primus





Palmerston North

I usually leave the decorative basing for unit fillers or bigger bases.
   
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Commanding Lordling





Being new to the hobby, liking a now out of print game, and having focused on getting the armies I like and can get for a decent price I’ve been in building, painting, and playing mode. I do have clock and plan to base but it’s been a slow process as I work full time and go to school.
   
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

Copy pasting in an article I wrote on another forum:

Ok. A mini primer on basing is in order here as I have put a lot of thought into it. Lets start with this caveat: while are are some dos and don't with basing, like don't flock the edges of a base and don't static grass an entire base. When it comes to artistic choices, which is what we are discussing here, there is no single correct approach. Your mileage may vary, if you disagree artistically you do so and that is that.



ORLANTH'S BASING GUIDE



Ranked up armies. Square bases of course, just to get that out of the way. Give the army a uniform basing colour, if you can use the same basing style for all armies. Make the unit base edges of a single flat colour, unit identification on the rear of the base is acceptable if discrete.

Tip: Avoid heavily detailed bases, take the addage of less is more. Smaler bases such as 25x25 or smaller can look good with little to no detail, other than that which the miniature bring with them like a stone underfoot or an array of arrows before an archer. Base with a simple covering such as sand soda and flock. Flock is simple and efficient and looks very good on a large scale. It may sound like a boring way to paint, but consider a unit and even an army as a single entity. There is a reason why [lexicon]GW[/lexicon] stuck with [lexicon]goblin[/lexicon] green base rims and railway flock as its sole staple for over 15 years. It works.

The more you base the more you detract from the features of the miniature. Individually they might look better with complex bases, but collectively it detracts.

Tip: You can make exceptions here for characters and because less is more when you have more for a character miniature you don't need a lot more and they still stand out. I have seen a lot of character on pillar models that stand out less in a mess of unique bases than a hero on a small rock in or next to a unit on plainly finished bases.


Large monsters and marmachines. Base as per the rest of your armies, but break up larger bases with a discrete amount of detail. Rocks are a good example, the bigger the base the bigger the rocks. GW gave people a heads up there by adding plastic rocks and other terrain elements into larger model kits.


Skirmish units. Benefit from a little variety also to highlight their irregular nature. If you use movement trays decorate the unit trays and add small amounts of the same detail on the skirmishers themselves. If they have a terrain hugging or stealth characteristic tun it up a notch. Free company skirmishers do well on bases little more detailed than Empire rank and file, but chameleon skinks for example do well on bases covered with aquarium plant fronds so they are standing in tall leaf-grass. Even better if you paint the chameleon effect accordingly. This works for small special units even if the best of the army is flocked or painted sand with small clumps of static grass.


Characters. Some characters come with terrain bases, generally they are fairly discrete and are intended to be slightly heavier detailed than the rank and file basing. GW sent a message here with its late plastic character lines having scenic bases but all but a few were very discrete, such a a broken wagon wheel half sunk into the ground or some flagstones. There is a message here about hoe this level of detail is generally either equal to or more than you expect. Some character miniatures are more dynamic and have dynamic basing such as Shadowblade. This isn't in any way over the top with an army of plainly based miniatures, in fact it highlights the character perfectly. Imagine you are playing with a Dread Elf army, all on minimum detail bases such as flock, bar a few scattered rocks on monster bases and your general and BSB are standing on shallow flat rocks. Then you assassin model appears on an outlandish base, leaping from a shard.



The plainer your bases the more dynamic reveal comes through where needed. This is especially true of the most noted heroes, when on foot, and for concealed characters.


Rock bases.

Take products like this:



of which there are many on the internet. I promise you that a unit based this way will look silly under almost all circumstances. Imps on flying stands would get away with it.

However for characters they are ideal, I bough a pack of a similar product for 20x20mm and 25x25mm based characters. As a tip don't use them exclusively or heroes float on rocks become their own cliche, note the word float because if all heroes have them and the bases move the mind tricks you into accepting that heroes surf on rocks. Break this up with alternatives and avoiding elevating too many characters. It actually makes sense if your army general stands on a taller rock to get a better view of what is happening, and is forgiven for focus highlight, but for general use buy a pack of low rock bases, or use flatter flints. Using real rock is a pain, flints and slate chips do work, but they can be a problem to paint and drill. They do scale well and in many cases need not be painted.

Tip: The above rock packs can be used to elevate problem posed miniatures in a unit. If you have say a halberdier whose pose means be will poke the guy diagonally next to him in the head use a rock to get his weapon clear. Use this technique sparingly and avoid it when you can.

Double Tip: For front rank models like characters you can assum there will be nothing in front of them bar the movement tray. Consider a front overhang of rock to buy characters of outlandish size of with awkward poses some room. Consider the Black orc champion models wargear with one arm stretched out carrying a large axe with chains hanging from it, below.



An impressive piece but one that really gets in the way of basing up. I got a piece of slate and placed it on the 25,,square base so that the champion models front foot overhung the base entirely. This gave him enough clearance, frontally and vertically to show off his axe without toppling da ladz ranked up in the second row.
One further bonus point on frontal overhangs, they will prevent ranking up in melee with your opponents combat blocks. My word for that is: good. It is not uncommon for weapons to stick out the front anyway, and inevitable for larger models. Don't bother trying to have a clear frontage for the opponents unit, it seldom works, and it often wasted if your opponent does not do likewise. While building ranked spearmen or knights with weapons levelled is 'anti social' basing. You cant get models within 2 inches of the front of a Bretonnian knight formation with levelled lances, just dont do it, it's a mess. However not being able to directly rank up is an advantage, you always want frontage in combat to be figurative rather than literal, or if you cant pack your soldiers in as tightly a That Guy opponent can they might try and claim more models in contact with fewer of your own. A neat separation of half an inch die to monster necks, crests, weaponry and pointing arms and the like makes combat positioning abstract.



Other Wargames. Small warband skirmishers is where you have the best room for a heavier focus on scenic bases. Mordheim, Frostgrave, Necromunda, Kill Team, Infinity, all benefit from warbands on scenic bases. This is because you will be playing other players with their own skirmish warbands, and their own basing standards. Some of the above games also have specific base sizes which are important to the game and clear bases don't work if only one side uses them, it highlights the disparity.
If you have an itch to try some scenic bases, skirmish games is the best place to satisfy that.
However where one player hosts games and collects all warbands necessary for all the players, or if you agree to play on ultra high detail maps then clear bases become the out and out superior choice, though regular basing still looks good on a good 3d terrain board.



RPG's. Clear bases should be used whenever you can, because of the versatility of terrain matching required with visual RPG's. The narrative sets the location on the fly, supported mostly by [lexicon]terrain[/lexicon] maps or mats, or now terrain books. Having miniatures that do not interfere with this is optimal. If clear bases are unobtainable or unusable for technical reasons then black or flat grey bases are best. For single miniatures they do admittedly look odd, but as collections grow a flat black or grey base fits in more and more. Clear is still superior when using mats as black bases and out too much on ice or water maps. You can get clear acrylic disks from an increasingly large number of suppliers.

To answer technical issues.

- You can buy clear acrylic cement to glue any [lexicon]model[/lexicon] other than metals. Metals should be pinned and the pins alone painted with thin super glue. Press in the pins with the model being suspended and leave to dry without smearing. Dunk in water to be sure.

- You can matt varnish clear acrylics with a large clean brush, or buy matted clear acrylic.

As noted clear bases don't work for ranked up models, but this is also true of any other type of base. For clear based armies/large collections there is some getting used to, just as there are

The main issue are scratches, but they can be avoided by careful play and storage and most scratches can be polished away.


Historicals. Clear bases are finally a superior choice for historical skirmish wargames where the emphasis is on maximum fidelity of both models and terrain. A squad of soldiers moving through a ruined village in Northern France 1944 benefit from clear basing if there are attempts to visualise a reality or near reality. Fantasy gaming is al;ways abstract, historicals less so as the scale decreases. Large scale historical wargames are abstracted by necessity, but skirmish levels need proper visualisation of soldier uniform and terrain (though not necessarily going to rivet counter/button counter extremes). Clear bases or at least minimalist bases are best for this because historical skirmish wargames normally pay as much attention to detail on the play surface as they do to the miniatures. For warhammer your army can fight anywhere, but if you want an infantry assault in Stalingrad it helps if it looks like Stalingrad, clear bases removes as much distraction as possible from the relationship between model and scenery.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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This video is interesting but might not be exactly applicable for fantasy but I might be wrong.


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Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

My bases are painted Goblin Green with the GW flock glued to them. If there's variety, then it's because we got used minis and didn't want to spray the base over. My brother will sometimes do special bases for larger models, but any more we see it as a touch unnecessary in a rank and file game.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
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Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

 Just Tony wrote:
My bases are painted Goblin Green with the GW flock glued to them. If there's variety, then it's because we got used minis and didn't want to spray the base over. My brother will sometimes do special bases for larger models, but any more we see it as a touch unnecessary in a rank and file game.


Very old school, but GW stuck with that for over a decade because it works. For a long time it was the standard way to do bases, even now its rarer but not wrong.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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Furious Fire Dragon






Herefordshire

I think the best way to do basing is the pva and sand technique painted over with a warm dark brown. The mud look goes with almost any kind of tabletop. Green grass table? Then the bases are mud churned up by marching boots. Desert / Badlands table? Then the bases are desert in the shadow of the troopers. Snow fields? Marching boots kicked up the underlying earth. Tarmac, cobblestone or other urban? Mud tracked in from somewhere else on, you guessed it, marching boots.

Mud bases are the best, go anywhere, bases.

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Hungry Ghoul





Ontario

I'm going for what you are, just on a bigger scale (4,000 points minimum per army, all the armies in 6th) What I am doing is basing each army in a different colour:
Goblin Green and flock on my Vampire Counts,
A couple rocks and brown on my Skaven
Tomb Kings Bleached bone, but going to use the textured agrellan paint
Dwarfs, Brown shiny rocks like gems and such
Lizards, dark rich green, some small ferns
Empire a pale green, grass
Bretonnians, Moot Green (brighter than goblin) grass
Ogres, snow texture paint with brown between

Vampire Counts 12,000 pts Tomb Kings 5,000 pts
Skaven 9,500 pts Ogre Kingdoms 7,000 pts
High Elves 8,800 pts
Bretonnia 8,000 pts
Empire 7,500 pts Lizardmen 6,000 pts
Dwarfs 10,000 pts Chaos 18,500 pts
Wood Elves 10,000 pts Dark Elves 7,000 pts
Orcs and Goblins 9,500 pts Dogs of War 5,000 pts.  
   
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Keeper of the Flame





Monticello, IN

Orlanth wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
My bases are painted Goblin Green with the GW flock glued to them. If there's variety, then it's because we got used minis and didn't want to spray the base over. My brother will sometimes do special bases for larger models, but any more we see it as a touch unnecessary in a rank and file game.


Very old school, but GW stuck with that for over a decade because it works. For a long time it was the standard way to do bases, even now its rarer but not wrong.


And since I was building armies in bulk, it's way faster than individualized bases. I can base a whole army my way in the span of 30 minutes, counting drying time.

www.classichammer.com

For 4-6th WFB, 2-5th 40k, and similar timeframe gaming

Looking for dice from the new AOS boxed set and Dark Imperium on the cheap. Let me know if you can help.
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Its AoS, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
   
Made in gb
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress






Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.

I base all my armies the same and then match my own terrain to that. A lot of that statement is future tense, I have yet to buy or make a battleboard for my fantasy collection.

n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.

It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut





Biloxi, MS USA

This is more or less how I base for Fantasy.



Larger bases with room also tend to get pieces on twigs as branch/log scatter and little bush tufts as seen on my Circle.



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 brr-icy wrote:

Tomb Kings Bleached bone, but going to use the textured agrellan paint


For tomb kings Vallejo sand paste is pure gold.

Give it a darker yellow wash and it's ready to use. Bury stuff in the sand for extra flavour and maybe the odd rock or two.


   
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For my O&G army I started long, long time ago I still use Goblin Green with green flock from Noch called " meadow flower mix" .
Basically green flock with some sprinkles of yellow and red.

Same with Dark Elves, which I also started with green bases.

My beastmen and my high elves all have their bases painted with Steel Legion Drab.

Then I put wood glue on top of it, dip it in the grass flock partially, and the in some brown track ballast
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 SolarCross wrote:
I think the best way to do basing is the pva and sand technique painted over with a warm dark brown.


You know, with GW games I have been like Tony, basically doing the Goblin Green and flock thing. But I feel like trying something different and this pva/sand thing is interesting me. I guess because with paint I can do more variety in color, as opposed to limiting myself to flock. I was also thinking of trying out GW's grass things to complement the sand. In the past I have also used plaster as a base too, where I would swirl or blot the plaster so when it dried it created some interesting patterns I would then dry brush or add a little flock too. I just never did that on a mass scale tho. I think I will do that this time. For those who don't know what I mean, I am adding a thin layer plaster of paris to the bases as the ground, then adding details over that. And in the case of adding any kind of terrain to the bases, then they would sit in the plaster and not over it, if that makes sense.

There is just something about WFB though that is really making me approach this differently than in the past. Its like I want each model to show how much I appreciate this hobby/game/edition, where in other games I was essentially painting to play. I feel like WFB is being promoted above that.

I just wish I had extra bits from the various armies to add touches to here and there like some of the armies include.
   
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Furious Fire Dragon






Herefordshire

 KTG17 wrote:
 SolarCross wrote:
I think the best way to do basing is the pva and sand technique painted over with a warm dark brown.


You know, with GW games I have been like Tony, basically doing the Goblin Green and flock thing. But I feel like trying something different and this pva/sand thing is interesting me. I guess because with paint I can do more variety in color, as opposed to limiting myself to flock. I was also thinking of trying out GW's grass things to complement the sand. In the past I have also used plaster as a base too, where I would swirl or blot the plaster so when it dried it created some interesting patterns I would then dry brush or add a little flock too. I just never did that on a mass scale tho. I think I will do that this time. For those who don't know what I mean, I am adding a thin layer plaster of paris to the bases as the ground, then adding details over that. And in the case of adding any kind of terrain to the bases, then they would sit in the plaster and not over it, if that makes sense.

There is just something about WFB though that is really making me approach this differently than in the past. Its like I want each model to show how much I appreciate this hobby/game/edition, where in other games I was essentially painting to play. I feel like WFB is being promoted above that.

I just wish I had extra bits from the various armies to add touches to here and there like some of the armies include.





I saw this today which shows an interesting alternative to the sand & pva way that might interest you.

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Wow that is a very interesting alternative, thanks for posting. I am kind of surprised he is using superglue... I think I would prefer Elmers glue. Much slower acting but at least I would feel more comfortable using a brush around the model's feet and so on. But either way the banking soda is a great idea. Then again, I wonder if I just use Elmers glue and the plaster I have. Should be the same thing. I have to admit using plaster was always a pain in the ass since I was mixing it with water and so on. Was always a messy deal. Now I can just use the glue to sort of draw out where I want to go, and sprinkle the dust over it. Brilliant.

Thanks!

The guy is right though, the base allows you to tell a story, which is what I kinda want to do.

I have already primed my models tho… I hope this isn't an issue. Maybe I should put some model glue down too to bond with the plastic more.
   
 
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