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Just... oof. I have seen several gaming rooster-ups in my time slowly rotting away on this little blue orb, but this has to be one of the most embarrassing.

From a total lack of respect for the fanbase (Do you guys not have phones????) to the unfortunate racist implications (Blizzard thinks Asians only deserve P2W grindfests) to the unsurprising backlash from the NPC Gaming "Journalists" (Did you know that because women use phones, not wanting an exploitative, hobbled, grind heavy and generally crappy experience on your phone is misogynistic?), has there been a worse backlash from fans in recent times? The Dungeon Keeper debacle perhaps? Or Battlefront 2?

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Personally I think its a storm in a teacup situation that will blow over after a few days. I also think that there are a lot more "news" people (blogs/tubes/websites) who have latched onto extremist articles to help generate hits and thus have a vested interest keeping any such drama going and increasing any backlash.

That said there also seems to be something in the online community now where there's a lot more general backlash when things happen people "don't like." Just look at how Creative Arts gets hammered for adding women into Rome 2 (which netted them a slew of review bombs on their steam reviews for multiple products).


In the end all this is is a mobile diablo game and that's about it. It's not the new D4, its just a side project. To my mind the main mistake was that they pitched a Mobile game to a PC market at an event dominated by the PC market without anything for the PC market customers. Clearly Blizzards internal thinking was that PC customers do have phones and do likely play mobile games and thus would not be so hostile toward the game.


That said there's also an element of learning and I think computer game community relations people are going to have to learn the same lessons that big Hollywood movie stars have to learn in how to talk to the media and the public. Ergo learning how to relate to a very volatile community that can whip up a storm over a very casual comment ; who will read into things and who will beat on about 1 single negative point no matter what else is said. Childish yes, but it does happen all the itme and the effects can be damaging.


Honestly I'll be surprised if people are still raging about this in a week or two unless some of the more prolific news site beat on about it heavily. Ergo I think the community would be fine, but the news outlets and bloggers and youtubers are where the risk is if some of them keep harping on and putting pressure on the subject.



Note it doesn't affect me much as I'm out of Diablo as D3 is online only on PC (sadly) and that's one thing I don't get for games I'm going to play singleplayer. Not to mention when they did have a big discount and I tried it my connection just wasn't fast enough to actually allow me to play a fast paced hack and slash game. Getting lag when you're rapid attacking takes all the fun out of the game

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I have found the salty meme's quite entertaining. Long live Red Shirt Bald Guy?

Eh it'll blow over. I do think this was a picture perfect example of what happens when a company gets taken over by the marketing team and completely loses any sense of it's own customer base though. A mobile Diablo game isn't a bad idea, but hot damn whose idea was it to make a mobile Diablo game the big focus at BlizzCon? Don't people pay to get into that event?

I'd be pretty pissed to if I were a Diablo fan, Warcraft fan, w/e, and I paid to go to a convention only to be shown the big deal was a mobile game and then be asked "don't you guys have phones?"

Learn to read the room Blizz XD

   
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I'm with Over on this one, although whilst being painfully funny I did feel a bit sorry for those PR mooks (I suspect they had an inkling but had to go over the top regardless)

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 Overread wrote:
Personally I think its a storm in a teacup situation that will blow over after a few days. I also think that there are a lot more "news" people (blogs/tubes/websites) who have latched onto extremist articles to help generate hits and thus have a vested interest keeping any such drama going and increasing any backlash.


Gotta disagree here. Blizzard showed lots of cluelessness and arrogance with this announcement. One person in the crowd asked if it was an April Fool's Day joke. The crowd started actively *BOOING* when the announcers confirmed that it was mobile only, and would not be on PCs. And Blizzard's response to the booing was, "Don't you all have phones?" That response suggests a mindset of, "People will play this because it's Diablo," and indicates an arrogant mind-set on Blizzard's part. The people attending are avid gamers. Many of them have high-end rigs. And Blizzard's big announcement for the event is a mobile game. And not only is it a mobile game, but it's an existing PC and console franchise that's getting a mobile-only release that apparently includes features that PC players would apparently like to see on the PC.

As unexciting as the Warcraft 3 announcement is (it's a game that is best known for spawning the Tower Defense and DOTA genres via heavy modding, which are almost *completely* unrelated to the game itself), I can at least understand that. Blizzard likely wants to bring that game over to Battle.net, and Reforged gives them a chance to do that while potentially drawing in enough players to make it worth their time. But the Diablo announcement is just a clueless "You'll play this game because it's called Diablo" message, and shows a troubling degree of arrogance on Blizzard's part. And not only did Blizzard show that level of arrogance, but they made that arrogance the centerpiece of their big annual event.
   
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I agree with Eumerin. Its tone deaf on the part of Blizzard, and their overall releases are pretty indicative to me.

They've got three types of releases at this point:

1- jamming more random heroes into overwatch and heroes of the storm. No real idea if this is good for those games or not.

2- recycling old stuff. Starcraft remastered! WoW classic! Warcraft 3 remastered!

3- biannual WoW (and Hearthstone, though that's probably annual at this point) expansions, which IMO have been on a long downward trend and underwhelming, with repeat ad nauseum 'world quests' (aka diablo 3 adventure mode) filling in for lack of interesting content. The island expeditions in the latest are just the worst part of dungeons (GoGoGo kill trash mobs) turned up to 11.


But nowhere is any indication that they're willing to innovate, create something new or expand the settings they've created, despite the really high demand of the customer base. It's just more of the same stuff, over and over and over.

Keep in mind Phone Diablo follows diablo on Switch which followed diablo on Console...

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So wait a mobile Diablo isn't a form of innovation or seeking a new market?

Gamers are notorious, in my view, for having two highly polarized market groups. One demands continual innovation with each title, the other just wants the first game with more content and better graphics. Whenever any game is released that's a sequel one of those two groups cries foul (often very loudly).

Of course developers can get it wrong - Dawn of War3 being a fantastic example of a major mistake in marketing and design and in both reading what fans wanted and in guiding them to want the new game.


As for Blizard I think that they've lost some of their talent over the years. I think WoW was fantastic for them, but its clearly stripped the company down to pretty much an MMO developer team from the ground up. You can really feel this in how they designed even the Starcraft 2 campaigns, many of the missions are very linear, very focused with little thinking. Furthermore you've for powerful heroes who are one-man-armies unto their own right. The Zerg campaign you don't even unlock the ability to use flying transports, which means they can play at hiding things on the map you can only get to with leap if you pick those upgrade choices pre-battle.


That and their writers are clearly not reading their original source material all that much and going with their own thing a little too much.


They are still very solid developers and games put out by them are well balanced (accepting that geeks will NEVER agree that any game is balanced and will argue about balance forever) and made to a high standard. And Blizzard does support them in the long term too.

So its not all doom and gloom, but yes they do need some fresh talent and either need to focus on only being an MMO company or getting some real experienced workers and focus into other markets. I kind of really hope Starcraft 3 gets back to its roots (assuming we ever see it).

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 Overread wrote:
So wait a mobile Diablo isn't a form of innovation or seeking a new market?


Blizzard hosts an event aimed at it's current players, and you're complaining because those players weren't - in your eyes - sufficiently enthusiastic that Blizzard is branching out into a new market?

Also, many game franchises have been brought over to mobile. Even the best of them tend to end up rather diluted (assuming that they're not a straight port of an older game). Mobile games have an earned reputation of being micro-transaction cash grabs. Given that history regarding mobile ports, why would you expect people to like this? Finally, as I mentioned above, the people currently playing Diablo are using PCs and consoles for it, and many of them spent a lot of money on those PCs and consoles. Why would ANYONE be arrogant enough to make an announcement about a new game on an itty bitty computer, and think that those players would be excited about it?


Edit - Again, the key thing to note here is the response of the guy on the stage. "Don't you all have phones?" The players are upset because it won't be available on PC. The Blizzard guy acts as if the problem is that people might not have a smart phone or tablet. The unspoken Blizzard comment is essentially, "Of course they're going to want to play it even though it's on much worse hardware than what they've previously played it on, and the screen is tiny in comparison to what they've used in the past, and the control scheme will need to be completely different from what they've used in previous games. Why wouldn't they!?"

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 Overread wrote:
So wait a mobile Diablo isn't a form of innovation or seeking a new market?

Nope. There are even reports that this is just a reskin of someone else's game.
As for new market... I doubt it. No idea who this would be aimed at but existing diablo players, or the remaining that aren't already disenchanted.

I think WoW was fantastic for them, but its clearly stripped the company down to pretty much an MMO developer team from the ground up.

This is just flat wrong. The WoW team is relatively small overall- Blizzard's focus is the freemium games like HotS, Hearthstone and the not freemium but pay and pay more Overwatch.

Blizzard employs upwards of about 4000-5000 people (there was a firm 4700 number in 2012, but a layoff of about 600 happened since, but they've also acquired other studios since, and the number at Irvine alone (their main campus) was 2600 in 2015)... as of last year, about 120 are on the WoW team (though that is about double the size of what it was when the game launched in 2004).

WoW is a small fraction of their overall employment (120 of 4000 minimum, or about 3% or less), Blizz certainly isn't stripped down to an MMO dev team.


Look Blizz has a lot going for it, and a stupidly big customer base for the industry. But given that, their big yearly announcement/ego stroking convention turned into: 'yeah, have a mobile game and rebuy a 15 year old RTS.' That's immensely disappointing from a company that has resources and income stream* to do better.

*(even if WoW subs are as low as 2 million, they're taking in $30 million _every month_, and that doesn't account for the higher costs of wow tokens or that subs are likely twice that number, and that doesn't even touch their other games)

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Blizzard got bought by Activision. It's really more shocking that we haven't seen worse.

Ultimately though, this isn't worth the attention its getting. It's a disappointment, but I'm of the mindset that disappointments are best discarded and forgotten. Ignore it and it will go away.
   
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There's nothing inherently wrong with Blizzard reskinning a Netease P2W mobile game as "Diablo"...

... as long as they have a regular PC version without the P2W nonsense

   
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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
There's nothing inherently wrong with Blizzard reskinning a Netease P2W mobile game as "Diablo"...

... as long as they have a regular PC version without the P2W nonsense


LunarSol already said it:

 LunarSol wrote:
Blizzard got bought by Activision. It's really more shocking that we haven't seen worse.


Diablo is a game that is absolutely primed and ready for monetization out the wazoo, and Activision is ready for it.


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
from the NPC Gaming "Journalists"

Great, what this angry rant needed was really some dehumanizing bs!

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Overread wrote:
Personally I think its a storm in a teacup situation that will blow over after a few days. I also think that there are a lot more "news" people (blogs/tubes/websites) who have latched onto extremist articles to help generate hits and thus have a vested interest keeping any such drama going and increasing any backlash.

That said there also seems to be something in the online community now where there's a lot more general backlash when things happen people "don't like." Just look at how Creative Arts gets hammered for adding women into Rome 2 (which netted them a slew of review bombs on their steam reviews for multiple products).


Wow, that is pretty insulting. What about the people that just want a good game? What about the people that want what they are asking for?

D3 players only want a few things. New Content/New Game and QoL Improvements. They have literally been begging for it for years and Blizzard served them up with a pos mobile game that is a reskin of another game made by a completely different company.

So basically Blizzard just told its fans it cant be bothered to make a new Diablo game for them, so they are letting a third party handle it. I played a lot of D2 and some D3. Wasn't a huge fan. I like the series enough but I wouldn't lose sleep if I never got a D4 now. That said, this still feels like Blizzard is spitting in my face and laughing.
   
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 Dreadwinter wrote:
That said, this still feels like Blizzard is spitting in my face and laughing.

Blizzard: Let's make a new Diablo game on mobile and announce it at Blizzcon.
Someone, somewhere: I have been spit in the face.

This is getting ridiculous. Blizzard failed at communication, creating expectations that they weren't able to match, sure. But the proper response to this is dissapointment ('Oh, it was just this game that I am not interested in, too bad!") not anger ("How dare they make a game I am not interested in, and not make the one I am interested in!"). If you want a new hack and slash on PC that much go try Path of Exile, or any of the non-Diablo ones. If you can't find any that you like... maybe it means making a good hack-and-slash is freaking hard and that you should be thanksful when one exist, rather than angry.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Dreadwinter wrote:
That said, this still feels like Blizzard is spitting in my face and laughing.

Blizzard: Let's make a new Diablo game on mobile and announce it at Blizzcon.
Someone, somewhere: I have been spit in the face.

This is getting ridiculous. Blizzard failed at communication, creating expectations that they weren't able to match, sure. But the proper response to this is dissapointment ('Oh, it was just this game that I am not interested in, too bad!") not anger ("How dare they make a game I am not interested in, and not make the one I am interested in!"). If you want a new hack and slash on PC that much go try Path of Exile, or any of the non-Diablo ones. If you can't find any that you like... maybe it means making a good hack-and-slash is freaking hard and that you should be thanksful when one exist, rather than angry.


The paragon of humanity, ladies and gents. Thank GOD you've come, I was worried about how I should react to stuff I'm passionate about. Please, wise one, impart your vast knowledge upon us lowly dregs so that we too might know the path of righteousness.

Seriously, I don't get people that say this gak, "You guys are acting so poorly, it should be THIS way! Also, don't you guys have other games to play? I mean c'mon...".

Y'know what? I don't want to play another game. I want to be excited for a franchise I've been playing in some form since I was a child. I'm allowed to be disappointed, upset even, when a bunch of people that I trust with my money and free time produce something subpar - not only that, they didn't even MAKE the damn game, they outsourced it to a company that already HAD a Diablo mobile game. These are the same guys that hyped up the Blizzcon Diablo panel like CRAZY, they hinted at SO much going on with the IP that people, for the first Blizzcon in a LONG time, excited to see what might be coming.

Then, a mobile game. "What? You guys don't have phones?" And the funny thing? If they had simply done a fething SPLASH PAGE with Diablo 4 COMING SOON on it, people would've been 100% cool with ActiBlizzards new money grab.

My outrage is completely valid and being told by people, "Just play something else breh", is as stupid as it is arrogant.

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 Frankenberry wrote:
Y'know what? I don't want to play another game. I want to be excited for a franchise I've been playing in some form since I was a child.

That's precisely what I don't get.
Are you that afraid of change?

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm allowed to be disappointed, upset even, when a bunch of people that I trust with my money and free time produce something subpar

Disappointed, yes. Upset? Well what the hell do they owe you? A whole bunch of nothing is what they owe you. In the past, they gave you a great game and you gave them money, end of transaction, no party owe the other anything. You don't owe them to buy their new games and they don't owe you new games, good or bad.
What's in your head, do you somehow believe that by buying Diablo, Diablo II and Diablo 3, you entered a contract with Blizzard and that they were obligated to make new Diablo games and you were obligated to buy them?

 Frankenberry wrote:
not only that, they didn't even MAKE the damn game, they outsourced it to a company that already HAD a Diablo mobile game.

How the hell is "they outsourced the game" a bad thing?
I understand judging the game on whether it's good or not. But judging the game on whether or not it's made by a company named Blizzard is, like, ridiculous.

 Frankenberry wrote:
These are the same guys that hyped up the Blizzcon Diablo panel like CRAZY, they hinted at SO much going on with the IP that people, for the first Blizzcon in a LONG time, excited to see what might be coming.

Yeah, that was terrible communication, creating expectations that weren't matched. All the more reasons to be disappointed.

 Frankenberry wrote:
If they had simply done a fething SPLASH PAGE with Diablo 4 COMING SOON on it, people would've been 100% cool with ActiBlizzards new money grab.

So you wanted them to lie, and that would have been better?

 Frankenberry wrote:
My outrage is completely valid and being told by people, "Just play something else breh", is as stupid as it is arrogant.

If you found some other, cool game you could feel all hyped up and happy instead of being outraged at a bad marketing strategy but sure, whatever floats your boat.

"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Frankenberry wrote:
Y'know what? I don't want to play another game. I want to be excited for a franchise I've been playing in some form since I was a child.

That's precisely what I don't get.
Are you that afraid of change?

 Frankenberry wrote:
I'm allowed to be disappointed, upset even, when a bunch of people that I trust with my money and free time produce something subpar

Disappointed, yes. Upset? Well what the hell do they owe you? A whole bunch of nothing is what they owe you. In the past, they gave you a great game and you gave them money, end of transaction, no party owe the other anything. You don't owe them to buy their new games and they don't owe you new games, good or bad.
What's in your head, do you somehow believe that by buying Diablo, Diablo II and Diablo 3, you entered a contract with Blizzard and that they were obligated to make new Diablo games and you were obligated to buy them?

 Frankenberry wrote:
not only that, they didn't even MAKE the damn game, they outsourced it to a company that already HAD a Diablo mobile game.

How the hell is "they outsourced the game" a bad thing?
I understand judging the game on whether it's good or not. But judging the game on whether or not it's made by a company named Blizzard is, like, ridiculous.

 Frankenberry wrote:
These are the same guys that hyped up the Blizzcon Diablo panel like CRAZY, they hinted at SO much going on with the IP that people, for the first Blizzcon in a LONG time, excited to see what might be coming.

Yeah, that was terrible communication, creating expectations that weren't matched. All the more reasons to be disappointed.

 Frankenberry wrote:
If they had simply done a fething SPLASH PAGE with Diablo 4 COMING SOON on it, people would've been 100% cool with ActiBlizzards new money grab.

So you wanted them to lie, and that would have been better?

 Frankenberry wrote:
My outrage is completely valid and being told by people, "Just play something else breh", is as stupid as it is arrogant.

If you found some other, cool game you could feel all hyped up and happy instead of being outraged at a bad marketing strategy but sure, whatever floats your boat.


This isn't change, stop being so obtuse.

You're right, they owe me nothing.

They didn't DO anything to create Diablo Immortal - that's the problem. They ok'd the use of the Diablo IP and let some lame ass mobile-game only company use the character skins. Guess it's a point of professional pride in work that I do that when I watch some assclowns go up on stage and claim they made a game, which they didn't, it tends to annoy me.

You're right, I AM disappointed.

I didn't ask for a lie, I asked for something more than a presentation and sarcasm. Blizzard has shown that they can blow the socks off of any crowd that shows up, why didn't they bother this time?

I play plenty of games, and am capable of more than one feeling; happiness, confusion, anger, I feel them all at various points in the day. Wasn't aware there were limits on that sort of thing.

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 Frankenberry wrote:

I didn't ask for a lie, I asked for something more than a presentation and sarcasm. Blizzard has shown that they can blow the socks off of any crowd that shows up, why didn't they bother this time?


To be fair, Blizz has been phoning it in on Diablo for years, especially at Blizzcon. I think they keep looking at the launch numbers (and the initial launch was an awful mess) and the bean counters veto any real development.

And I'm keeping that terrible, unintentional pun.


For the rest, I agree with you.

My big gripe with Blizzard is that their 'blow the socks off' ability is completely tied to cinematics now. Actual gameplay is consistently derivative and tired. This plays well at Blizzcon type events, but the actual games focuses a lot more on appropriating an (often poor) imitation of the latest industry trend into WoW or Overwatch.

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I think it's $199,- wasted for a lot of attendants and may affect future convention attendance going forward.

The presentation itself was hard to sit through. You get that they need to try and win the crowd over, but if your hardcore fans in the audience give off such a reaction..



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It's a eprfect example of how hardcore fans kill franchises. Does a Diablo Mobile game prevent a new Diablo PC game from being released? no. Does rampaging around the Internet like a drama queen hurt the chances for a new mobile game? Yes.

You'd think people would learn after EA scrapped the Mass Effect franchise. There is such a thing as too much Nerd Rage. If you don't allow for a conversation to occur with the content provider they are going to stop providing that content.

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Keep in mind Kotaku has published a claim that Blizz really intended to announce D4 at BlizCon, only to have to drop it shortly before the Con.

Which means they also get that Diablo: Immortal isn't what people should be seeing. But they failed to deliver.
   
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Really, I was thinking of it more of how studios kill franchises.

This wasn't 'rampaging around the internet.' This was several people live and present in the audience asking pointed questions.

They were in fact trying to have a conversation, and were brushed off.

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While ME:A had an loud overreaction to a few problems launch, EA pulling the plug had little to do with that. They'd already gutted the studio in question and moved people to other projects (or let them go).

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Bharring wrote:
Keep in mind Kotaku has published a claim that Blizz really intended to announce D4 at BlizCon, only to have to drop it shortly before the Con.

Which means they also get that Diablo: Immortal isn't what people should be seeing. But they failed to deliver.
The fact Kotaku said that proves to me that not only were they not going to announce D4, the sky is purple and Diablo never actually existed.
   
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ChargerIIC wrote:It's a eprfect example of how hardcore fans kill franchises. Does a Diablo Mobile game prevent a new Diablo PC game from being released? no. Does rampaging around the Internet like a drama queen hurt the chances for a new mobile game? Yes.


Alternately it's a perfect example of how lazy developers kill their franchises. Fans might bitch and moan, but unless you really piss them off they'll bitch and moan and buy the game anyway because fans are weak little creatures addicted to their fix like junkies (kidding... only slightly).

If fans actually had standards higher than "give something" then the X-Men film franchise would be long dead, there never would have been another Mass Effect after the second one, and Call of Duty/Battlefield wouldn't still be putting out a new game on a yearly basis. Jesus they're still making Sonic the Hedgehog games, and the last entry from that franchise that was any good was a remake! The capacity of fans to simultaneous fund and complain about their favorite franchises to hate/love is truly spectacular.

Voss wrote:While ME:A had an loud overreaction to a few problems launch. EA pulling the plug had little to do with that. They'd already gutted the studio in question and moved people to other projects (or let them go).


And to expand on this, it was blatantly obvious that EA had already given up on the Mass Effect franchise before Andromeda even hit shelves. They gutted the studio, stripped the assets, and wrote the franchise off imo after the backlash concerning ME3s ending and disappointing preorder numbers for Andromeda. The franchise didn't die because of the rage per se, but because the rage actually manifested into people not buying, which to a lazy developer doesn't signal "maybe we made a mistake and can't expect players to continually shell out their money for sub-par products we produced with minimal effort" but instead was apparently taken to mean "well I guess we'll give up then."

When you get down to it, nerd rage has never killed a franchise, because so long as that franchise is profitable it'll keep getting made regardless of complaints about it. What kills franchises is the increasing trend of rushed and lazy development from increasingly production focused developers who apply minimum effort into ever bothering to ask if their product is actually any good. Actual game developers generally aren't the ones developing games anymore (hell actual game developers are even getting fired because they're not seen as worth keeping around even when you're Hideo Kojima and practically built a brand single handedly). It's the marketing and production team who makes a lot of those decisions now, and their focus is solely on the business end of things rather than on product quality.

Fans might be self-entitled little whiners, but let's not pretend developers aren't equally self-entitled money grubbing shrews.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
from the NPC Gaming "Journalists"

Great, what this angry rant needed was really some dehumanizing bs!


I consider us friends and all despite our political leanings but considering your avatar generally being about punching nazis and thinking a lot of my side as nazis (despite everybody in it laughing at that absurdity) i'd say both sides have done de-humanizing stunts.

Far as this goes i'd say Blizzard did a bad call. The issue isn't so much the one event as the many. EA messed up a LOT over the years and to be fair Blizzard has felt lackluster to me for the longest time. While i understand hardcore gamers can ruin things for casuals and vice versa as a big Warhammer Fantasy fan i still remember the salt i had when AoS was announced over the death of our game as a big announcement. Do i think video gamers have it good in comparison? Yes. Do i think Blizzard made a bad call? Absolutely. I think people said it's more about announcing it at Blizzcon as the big thing that people paid a lot of money for. I totally understand that after investing so much into whfb the feeling they have.

I'll continue but i gotta break to eat for now. More later.

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Oh and journalists suck period. They're totally bought and paid for. Rather interesting they seemed to all defend or attack a game. Little too coincidental outside of them being paid for good reviews.



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 Frankenberry wrote:
This isn't change, stop being so obtuse.

You just said that you didn't want to play a non-Diablo game, just be excited by a Diablo game. That's what I don't get. What's so special about Diablo game except for the fact they have Diablo in their name that sets them apart?

 Frankenberry wrote:
They didn't DO anything to create Diablo Immortal

Outsourcing a game is doing something to create the game in question…

 Frankenberry wrote:
You're right, I AM disappointed.

And you are 100% right to be disappointed, Blizzard hyped and failed to deliver. It's the anger and the feeling of being owed more by Blizzard that you should let go off. If Blizzard make a gakky game, by a competitors game instead.

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I think it's $199,- wasted for a lot of attendants

What kind of crazy person pays 199$ to get announcement about games, that everyone else will get for free? I though people paid for the cosplay, concert, esport events, etc. Still not worth 199$ imo but we…


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I consider us friends and all despite our political leanings but considering your avatar generally being about punching nazis and thinking a lot of my side as nazis (despite everybody in it laughing at that absurdity) i'd say both sides have done de-humanizing stunts.

I don't know how to say it, because I said it multiple time already and never managed to get my point across, but while I'm never sure who really is “your side” exactly, if “your side” is you and Carl Benjamin, I consider neither to be nazis. Really, Benjamin is more the Von Papen Zentrum type. Not a nazi . My avatar is about actual Nazis. To put it in the way he likes to phrase things, I wouldn't even punch Carl Benjamin . (For anyone wondering, it's a reference to this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin#YouTube_career third paragraph)
And asking a Jew not to de-humanize Nazis is, well, taking the problem from totally the wrong angle.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Oh and journalists suck period. They're totally bought and paid for. Rather interesting they seemed to all defend or attack a game. Little too coincidental outside of them being paid for good reviews.

Disagree. There are differing opinion, though journalists tend to just agree to disagree rather than start big fights so it's not that visible if you don't pay attention and only get third-party accounts (sometime with some bias) of what journalists say.
And big game companies bribing journalists through sending them extremely lavish promo materials is a known problem in vg journalism, but it depends on the journalist and the newspaper/website they work for, it's not all of them, and it's way worse for YouTubers and other influencers.

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My avatar is about actual Nazis.

Oh. I thought it was about fictional heroes inevitably becoming Nazis, as some sort of meta-commentary on entertainment.

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But neither Donny Donowitz nor B.J. Blazkowicz become nazi.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
But neither Donny Donowitz nor B.J. Blazkowicz become nazi.

Yet. I thought that was the point. They don't see it coming.

And B.J... eh. The levels of mindless, unanalyzed mass murder in the new Wolfensteins is uncomfortable and close enough.

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