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2018/11/19 06:25:22
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Auspec scan strategem states that there must be an infantry unit within 12 to use the strategem but it doesn't specify which unit gets to shoot. So, say, there is a unit of marines, a knight and a stormraven.
Can a stormraven shoot? Seems that yes.
Can a knight shoot even if it's in another detachment?
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2018/11/19 07:06:41
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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It is patently, painfully obvious that your chosen INFANTRY unit within 12” of the arriving unit is the one that gets to shoot.
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/11/19 07:16:00
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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It says adeptus astartes infantry is only required to trigger the ability to shoot. Than it says. Choose your unit to shoot. It doesn't say that you must choose adeptus astartes infantry. Just your unit.
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2018/11/19 07:17:43
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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It doesn’t say ‘choose your unit’. Re-read the Stratagem.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/11/19 07:29:10
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Your unit can emidiately shoot. So?..
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2018/11/19 07:35:29
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Norn Queen
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So, it is referring to the unit you used the stratagem on. That is how English grammar works.
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2018/11/19 09:04:58
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Anywayz, it's not a question. The quesrion is: if you are playing soup and there is a strategem that can be used by "your unit" can it be a unit in any of the soup's detachments?
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2018/11/19 09:07:31
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Norn Queen
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 koooaei wrote:Anywayz, it's not a question. The quesrion is: if you are playing soup and there is a strategem that can be used by "your unit" can it be a unit in any of the soup's detachments?
You can use the stratagem on a unit that has the correct keywords. Auspex Scan limits what units it can be used on. I don't think there are any stratagems that just say "your unit", they are all limited to keywords or enemy units.
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2018/11/19 13:02:50
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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12" of your adeptus astartes infantry unit. This unit can shoot.
In Spanish it is very clear. And we have unfortunately not the best traduction.
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2018/11/19 13:03:48
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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Alex_85 wrote:12" of your adeptus astartes infantry unit. This unit can shoot.
In Spanish it is very clear.
It doesn't say "this unit" in english.
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2018/11/19 13:25:42
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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koooaei wrote:Alex_85 wrote:12" of your adeptus astartes infantry unit. This unit can shoot.
In Spanish it is very clear.
It doesn't say "this unit" in english.
Also not in spanish. This stratagem is easy. Your rival deploy a unit a reinforcement at 12" or less from any of your adeptus astartes infantry unit. The unit of your army you choosed in the step before, that must be infantry adeptus astartes and be 12" or less from the reinforcement enemy unit, this infantry unit can shoot with a - 1 to hit. No stormraven, no predator, no land raider. Only infantry adeptus astartes.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/11/19 13:26:44
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2018/11/19 13:57:18
Subject: Re:Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Lieutenant General
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From page 198 of Codex Space Marines:
Use this Stratagem immediately after your opponent sets up a unit that is arriving on the battlefield as reinforcements within 12" of one of your ADEPTUS ASTARTES Infantry units. Your unit can immediately shoot at that enemy unit as if it were the Shooting phase...
Context shows thet the "... Your unit..." statement in the second sentence is clearly referring to the "... one of your ADEPTUS ASTARTES Infantry units..." in the previous sentence. That is how the English language works.
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cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2018/11/19 16:16:44
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Context is painfully obvious with a singe ADEPTUS ASTARTES infantry unit within 12", less so when there are multpiles(ish).
If you have say 3 qualifying units within 12" of an arriving reinforcements unit, there is never an allowance of choice for which of your unit(s) can shoot. Not that it really matters; only 1 unit may shoot, and so long as it is a qualifying unit no rule is broken.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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2018/11/19 18:38:05
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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In that instance all units satisfy the requirements so any one could have the Stratagem played on it. Nothing is muddied or less obvious, and no rules are broken.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2018/11/19 20:11:57
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Omnipotent Necron Overlord
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How is it that this stratagems sucks so much compared to eldar forewarned?
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2018/11/19 23:15:08
Subject: Auspec scan strategem question - can another unit shoot?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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 Xenomancers wrote:How is it that this stratagems sucks so much compared to eldar forewarned?
Don’t even start me on Forewarned. I scratch built a Termite because I was so sick of Forewarned!
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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