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**cuda1179**

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/11/40k-rumors-codex-space-marines-2-0.html

Basically, Primaris Marines get something like assault Terminators, medium transport, Big turret variant of the Repulsor, one-man fast vehicles, and a small flyer.

**kombatwombat**

Do they have a source of any repute? Also, could you please post here if there’s any other details they’ve rumoured?

I’m loath to give another click to those clickbait oxygen thieves...

**BrookM**

Porting the "content" over:

There’s a new set of rumors on the Marine’s next codex slated for 2019. Take a look Battle Brothers:

If there is one thing that GW does like clockwork – it is updating the Space Marine Codex in the middle of an edition. We’ve been hearing for months that there is a new set of Space Marine models coming and the rumormongers have chimed in today with an updated set of information.

Industry Professionals Say: New Codex Space Marines Slated for 2019

Will include a number of new kits for Primaris Marines:
- A unit of high speed 1-man vehicles
- A Primaris Medium Transport
- A Primaris small Flyer
- A Primaris vehicle variant with new large turret weapon options
- A Primaris Heavy Infantry unit with Assault Terminator weapon equivalents

Thoughts The first three are very similar to what has been out there in the past 3-6 months. The high speed unit could be bikes, jetbikes, jump packs or something really funky. The Medium Transport I would guess is a anti-grav Rhino equivalent. There is a little more detail on the size of the flyer – it being on the small size of things – I guess the Storm Talon is the smallest SM flyer right now. Unless the flyer is a transport I’m unsure of exactly what would make it a “Primaris” vehicle (outside of fluff)? The vehicle variant with new turrets would most likely be a kit based on the Repulsor. It has a large turret ring and could accommodate a lot of different big weapon options up top. It could fill the role of anything from the Whirlwind, to Predator, to Vindicator, or even exotics like the Hunter/Stalker or Thunderfire cannon – Whatever GW thinks is most important for the Primaris vehicle range. The Heavy Infantry unit would give Primaris only armies a much needed Assault unit – and I would assume is based on the Mk.X Gravis Armor. I would think something on the lines of Assault Terminators with +1W and perhaps slightly improved weapon statlines.

No word on when in 2019, but previous rumors placed this in the first half of the year. If these kits pan out – this would be a major expansion of the Primaris line, making it much less reliant of the classic marine model range.

**kombatwombat**

Much obliged BrookM.

Most interesting IMO is the mention of an Assault Terminator-style unit. I’m hoping GW eventually replaces the entire line with Primaris equivalents so I can use my existing OldMarine Templars army as counts-as Primaris with sweet rules, and Terminators are an important step.

**H.B.M.C.**

Now before we dismiss Taco Bell out of hand never forget that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Once day in their case, but still, it can happen.

I wonder if regular Marines would be getting any new units with... oh who am I kidding? It's Primaris all the time forever from now on.

Like I said in the Vigils thread, the motto for this new book should be "Just drop the pretence already". Call it Codex: Primaris Space Marines and be done with it.

**insaniak**

If there is one thing that GW does like clockwork – it is updating the Space Marine Codex in the middle of an edition.

Uh... When have GW ever updated the space marine codex in the middle of an edition...?

So far as the 'details'... That's pretty much the list I would come up with if I was working from the assumption that Primaris will feature more strongly in the next codex, and so will need more unit types to fill in the gaps. If I wasn't nt considering development budget, at least.

If seems unlikely that GW would release a bike unit, a flyer, a tank, and a new Repulsor variant all in the same codex release.

**casvalremdeikun**

Yeah, guess what these items all are? Wish list items practically everyone that has been including Primaris Space Marines in their Space Marines armies have been asking for since the codex. Literally everything on this list. The only thing missing from the list is a Primaris Techmarine. Otherwise zero surprises on this list.

And you know how I know it is fake? There is no way GW is passing up the opportunity to charge $35 for a single character model. No Primaris Techmarine or another character reborn as a Primaris Marine (the new Assault Terminator unit would lead me to believe Lysander, but the high-speed 1-man vehicles could also me Ko'sarro Khan) pretty puts the nail in the coffin of this rumor.

Think about it. When is the last time there was a codex release with new models not named Imperial Knights where there was not a $30+ character model releases alongside the models?

**An Actual Englishman**

The rumour has no credibility because it lacks a source or any shred of evidence.

I guess these are the same 'industry professionals' that said a Primeork Ghazzy was coming with codex, that there'd be a sprue to turn other vehicles into Orky ones and that there'd be rules for looted vehicles in codex Orks.

Its click bait. As is typical of BOLS, which is a shame because their podcast content is actually relatively decent.

**techsoldaten**

So they're saying Primaris are going to get:

- Bikes
- Rhinos
- Stormtalons
- Predators
- Assault Terminators

Queue sarcasm. It's not like that's a big revelation, of course those are going to be coming. And of course GW is going to do a moneygrab through a new Codex if they get the chance.

I personally like the look of Primaris models but I hate the way they've been rolled out. They would have been better received if they were just rolled into existing marine lines without all the stat changes / incompatibilities. Hearing that they are upgrading the rest of the line is just going to lead to more friction.

**MajorTom11**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
The rumour has no credibility because it lacks a source or any shred of evidence.

You seem to be unclear on what 'rumour' means...

**Process**

Would love to believe it, BUT:

Thats 5 significant sized kits- thats bigger than the Ork release, Custodes release and im pretty sure its on par with the death guard release if you don't count demon, character and easy build models (which i think is fair and also if this rumor is true- characters will be coming alongside).

It would effectively be a "faction" sized release, but if they are gonna do it then it makes sense to just smash it out in either Q1 or Q3 like they did this year with custodes and soul wars to bump the half yearly figures up.

**tneva82**

It's rumour yes. It's zero credibility.

I can say rumour "necron codex coming up january". It would have zero credibility without any evidence nor would it be even have trustworthy source as I have no true rumours to my track record(nor false ones either. I don't hear things in advance so can't give any rumours).

These are rumours yes but no credibility. For credibility either needs some sort of concrete evidence or trustworthy source(ie one that actually has shown he gets real info rather than makes up junk)

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Process wrote:
Would love to believe it, BUT:

Thats 5 significant sized kits- thats bigger than the Ork release, Custodes release and im pretty sure its on par with the death guard release if you don't count demon, character and easy build models (which i think is fair and also if this rumor is true- characters will be coming alongside).

It would effectively be a "faction" sized release, but if they are gonna do it then it makes sense to just smash it out in either Q1 or Q3 like they did this year with custodes and soul wars to bump the half yearly figures up.

Orks got 6 kits. And these are marines aka their cash-cows. So on that count not unbelievable.

**Hanskrampf**

While this may be a rumour, I expected a new Primiars wave this year already, following the release waves of Stormcast Eternals in AoS.
They got a new batch of miniatures together with a Battletome each year for the last 3 years with small expansions in between.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
The rumour has no credibility because it lacks a source or any shred of evidence.

I guess these are the same 'industry professionals' that said a Primeork Ghazzy was coming with codex, that there'd be a sprue to turn other vehicles into Orky ones and that there'd be rules for looted vehicles in codex Orks.

Its click bait. As is typical of BOLS, which is a shame because their podcast content is actually relatively decent.

Hi. I'm BoLS Industry Professionals.

You may remember me from such rumours as 'Abaddon in Black Fortress', and 'Slaanesh is being dropped'.

**Crimson**

Well, I hope this is true.

**Mandragola**

This looks a lot like a wishlist. As such, I tend to agree that it is a bunch of stuff I'd like to see too.

But otherwise it's just saying "marines will get some new stuff at some point" - which is highly likely but not particularly useful as a rumour goes.

If this is true, good.

**Eihnlazer**

Giving Primaris marines quad's instead of bikes would be pretty pimp imho. Imagine a squad of 5 Quadrunners armed with twin bolt rifles and fragstorm launchers.

That'd be 15 T5 wounds with a 3+ save and quite a few shots on a mobile platform, powerfist on the searg. Quads would only have 12" instead of the normal 14" for bikes though.

The primaris assault termies would probably just be some variation of Inceptors with melee weapons like I suggested in another thread.

**casvalremdeikun**

Eihnlazer wrote:
Giving Primaris marines quad's instead of bikes would be pretty pimp imho. Imagine a squad of 5 Quadrunners armed with twin bolt rifles and fragstorm launchers.

That'd be 15 T5 wounds with a 3+ save and quite a few shots on a mobile platform, powerfist on the searg. Quads would only have 12" instead of the normal 14" for bikes though.

The primaris assault termies would probably just be some variation of Inceptors with melee weapons like I suggested in another thread.

You just described fast Aggressors with your quads. I would rather have them with a Las-Talon on the back with a Twin bolt rifle.

**Process**

Is there such thing as a BOLS rumour tracker?

I imagine such a thing would e very interesting reading

**Dynas**

My FLGS owner said that once GW finishes the final codex for GSC and Sisters, that they plan to go through all the armies and update out of range models. Not sure what his source is, but he has been right in the past. He did work for GW back in the day, like 6 years ago, so he may still have contacts there. This could be the beginning of that. So could we expect all the armies to follow the same release schedule as the codex? If I recall, I beleive SM was the first codex to drop in 8th.

Then Chaos SM, GK? (haha), Mechanicus, Deathguard, IG, etc...

**Motograter**

Ignoring everything but also thinking it does make sense. New marine codex can fix where they are now. Those and chaos marines were some of the first books out and they've fallen behind the curve somewhat so updating and replacing them does make sense

**Mysterio**

You had me at "Marine Rumors" and almost lost me at "BoLS".

Having said that, I hope that this is where we get a lot more Primaris stuff, to the point where they're given a LOT more options, both within squads and with new troops and vehicles.

**Motograter**

Dynas wrote:
My FLGS owner said that once GW finishes the final codex for GSC and Sisters, that they plan to go through all the armies and update out of range models. Not sure what his source is, but he has been right in the past. He did work for GW back in the day, like 6 years ago, so he may still have contacts there. This could be the beginning of that. So could we expect all the armies to follow the same release schedule as the codex? If I recall, I beleive SM was the first codex to drop in 8th.

Then Chaos SM, GK? (haha), Mechanicus, Deathguard, IG, etc...

To be fair there will be codexes between gsc and sisters. It's not like they'll just stop from Jan/Feb to october/ November without making new codexes.

As for models regular chaos is in line for an update. We've seen the sorcerer backpack and the one that went up yesterday could be an apostle

**Dynas**

Motograter wrote:
Dynas wrote:
My FLGS owner said that once GW finishes the final codex for GSC and Sisters, that they plan to go through all the armies and update out of range models. Not sure what his source is, but he has been right in the past. He did work for GW back in the day, like 6 years ago, so he may still have contacts there. This could be the beginning of that. So could we expect all the armies to follow the same release schedule as the codex? If I recall, I beleive SM was the first codex to drop in 8th.

Then Chaos SM, GK? (haha), Mechanicus, Deathguard, IG, etc...

To be fair there will be codexes between gsc and sisters. It's not like they'll just stop from Jan/Feb to october/ November without making new codexes.

As for models regular chaos is in line for an update. We've seen the sorcerer backpack and the one that went up yesterday could be an apostle

Agree. I have no idea what the order of release would be. Probably most money maker, or most popular armies first. This could change the order from what the codex releases were.

**Kanluwen**

Mysterio wrote:
You had me at "Marine Rumors" and almost lost me at "BoLS".

Having said that, I hope that this is where we get a lot more Primaris stuff, to the point where they're given a LOT more options, both within squads and with new troops and vehicles.

I don't expect to see options within squads. Not to the Tactical Squad levels.

The Primaris seem to be organized on the old Legion makeups, where squads are specialized. The lore on the Hellblasters even says as much.

**the_scotsman**

If they ever want Primaris to be a feasible replacement for space marines....and they might...they need to add some of the flexibility and modeling/gameplay options that marines have been spoiled with since time immemorial.

as they are now, Primaris Marines work as a way to get new players - ideally, young kids with fathers or older relatives who play - into the hobby smoothly. They are recognizable as the Space Marines their relative has, but they have lore where they're bigger and stronger and new. They're easy to build, easy to paint, and designed to be almost impossible to build "wrong" because of the sheer amount of crap every unit has loaded onto it.

But for a player used to constructing their lists and tweaking their wargear and customizing their characters, the sort of thing where you think "This is Warhammer 40,000", primaris marines sorely lack depth. 1-2 very minor squad-wide weapon swaps (Do I want this kind of bolter or that kind of bolter? do I want this kind of plasma gun or that kind of plasma gun?) is something that a Tau or Necron player would be used to, but it totally loses the "these are your dudes" human appeal that old marines had. Just look at the variation you can draw from a basic tactical squad of space marines versus a squad of primaris intercessors - I have currently 3 different marks of armor to choose from, plus the Blood Angels and Space Wolves tactical boxes, with dozens of totally unique heads, limbs, shoulderpads, armor styles and weapon styles. All to create models that are identical in the game, just totally customized to look exactly like I want them to look.

Intercessors will look the same, unless you go out of your way to buy them bits from smallmarine kits to customize them, or sculpt them stuff wholesale out of greenstuff like GW did with the fancy purple candle marines.

There's no reason Games Workshop can't re-create marines in a new scale. But replacing them with the current edition of Primaris Marines will massively reduce the existing appeal of marines.

**terry**

Motograter wrote:
Dynas wrote:
My FLGS owner said that once GW finishes the final codex for GSC and Sisters, that they plan to go through all the armies and update out of range models. Not sure what his source is, but he has been right in the past. He did work for GW back in the day, like 6 years ago, so he may still have contacts there. This could be the beginning of that. So could we expect all the armies to follow the same release schedule as the codex? If I recall, I beleive SM was the first codex to drop in 8th.

Then Chaos SM, GK? (haha), Mechanicus, Deathguard, IG, etc...

To be fair there will be codexes between gsc and sisters. It's not like they'll just stop from Jan/Feb to october/ November without making new codexes.

As for models regular chaos is in line for an update. We've seen the sorcerer backpack and the one that went up yesterday could be an apostle

They've also shown a jump pack character for csm that will come during the coming campaign

**Sterling191**

Kanluwen wrote:

The Primaris seem to be organized on the old Legion makeups, where squads are specialized. The lore on the Hellblasters even says as much.

Primaris are effectively Rowboat's Aspect Warriors

**tneva82**

Dynas wrote:
My FLGS owner said that once GW finishes the final codex for GSC and Sisters, that they plan to go through all the armies and update out of range models. Not sure what his source is, but he has been right in the past. He did work for GW back in the day, like 6 years ago, so he may still have contacts there. This could be the beginning of that. So could we expect all the armies to follow the same release schedule as the codex? If I recall, I beleive SM was the first codex to drop in 8th.

Then Chaos SM, GK? (haha), Mechanicus, Deathguard, IG, etc...

That would make these for 2020 though. Sisters come late 2019

**An Actual Englishman**

MajorTom11 wrote:
An Actual Englishman wrote:
The rumour has no credibility because it lacks a source or any shred of evidence.

You seem to be unclear on what 'rumour' means...

And you are struggling with the word "news" by the looks bud.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Hi. I'm BoLS Industry Professionals.

You may remember me from such rumours as 'Abaddon in Black Fortress', and 'Slaanesh is being dropped'.

I love this. Two of my favourite rumours those. Some of BoLS Industry Professionals best work.