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2018/12/09 20:43:19
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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Hey folks!
I'd read somewhere on here once that I should get a pin vice with a palm handle or something - I'm working on cleaning mold lines off my first set of bolters, and assuming I want to drill out the barrels for realism, which pin vice should I get? Can I get a link to a purchase site, or amazon product link? I've been searching through here with the search feature for 30 minutes trying to find someone actually pointing to *one* but haven't had any luck, so I'm just asking here.
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2018/12/09 20:51:35
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/12/09 20:51:59
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2018/12/09 21:07:32
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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I use the Army Painter branded one, works fine.
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2018/12/09 21:53:13
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
London
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No offence meant, but I'm gonna chime in quickly and strongly advise AGAINST the first pin vice that Overread posted ... I purchased the exact same one 3x weeks ago and it slips real bad with the smaller drill sizes. It's fine at about 1.25 - 1.5 mm, but below that not so much. Totally screwed up some extensive pinning I needed to do.
@ Overread: I don't think you were so much recommending it, as demonstrating what different types are available.
I'm obviously now also in the market for a pin vice, so I'll watch this thread for a bit and see what happens, but am leaning heavily towards GW's drill tbh ... a bit pricey but buying the AP one would cost more with P&P - the GW one I can pick up in store next week.
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2018/12/09 22:01:57
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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Aye I was only showing the first few links; although I'm surprised with your experience as that first kind is the pretty standard make that is, design wise, sold in most places.
GW tools are often overpriced/marked up quite a bit, but they are generally very solid and reliable tools. I wouldn't feel bad at using them, but when my faithful yellow handled GW clippers broke (the little spring gave out) and I saw that GW was charging £20 for a new pair I got a far cheaper (and honestly exactly the same as my original yellow handled clippers) one off ebay from a general hobby store.
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2018/12/09 22:48:21
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
London
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Overread wrote:
GW tools are often overpriced/marked up quite a bit, but they are generally very solid and reliable tools. I wouldn't feel bad at using them, but when my faithful yellow handled GW clippers broke (the little spring gave out) and I saw that GW was charging £20 for a new pair I got a far cheaper (and honestly exactly the same as my original yellow handled clippers) one off ebay from a general hobby store.
Yeah, the GW tools are well dear, but seem to be very high quality. I mean, "I" don't feel bad about using GW stuff, it's just my wallet does this year
Just remembered I had a Tamiya pin vice a few years back and that was excellent. Must see if I can find one here (doubt it tbh).
I don't even normally need to pin anything, but I'm working on an old Infinity Szalamander and that's a pretty large metal mini ..
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2018/12/10 00:50:59
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Dakka Veteran
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I use the GW pin vice, for what it's worth, and it's great. I bought it for the same reasons you're considering it - you know the quality is going to be good, and even though it's more expensive, it is convenient to pick up, and not so crazy a price once you take postage into account.
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2018/12/10 04:51:43
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Imperial Agent Provocateur
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I use both of the first two styles posted by Overread.
My generic is one of these
https://excelblades.com/products/swivel-head-pin-vise-4-chucks
The other is the previous Citadel drill
which they don’t carry anymore, but Revell’s appears to be exactly the same
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=revell+39064&_sacat=0
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revell-39064-Hand-Drill-Bits/dp/B00T66U97I
I definitely prefer the second style. It’s indeed more comfortable which is nice in long sessions or when dealing with metal models, and it doesn’t make my hand smell metallic.
The only reason I use the first is that it’s slightly larger meaning that it can handle 1/8” drill bits which are a little too big for the second. It might just be an issue with this particular drill though, because the one in Overread’s link says it can take 3mm (about 1/8) and mine only has one chuck whereas that one has two.
I can’t comment on the large handle type.
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2018/12/10 09:43:10
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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I have the generic one from eBay, it works just fine.
I don’t know why they come with bits less than half a mill but even then the chuck needs to be cranked right down, it’s good that it has 2 double ended chucks of different sizes
Out of the 30 odd bits I use just 4 of them,
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DV8 wrote:Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought should also be double-fisted.
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2018/12/10 10:36:06
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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I bought a load of cheapies and they almost all sucked - if they don't hold the bit straight, they are useless.
The tamiya ones are amazing, the gf9 and gw ones are good too - just don't get the cheapest stuff you can imo
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2018/12/11 11:05:20
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Dipping With Wood Stain
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I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..
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2018/12/11 11:50:22
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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mcmattila wrote:I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..
Do they still come with the spare collete hidden in the back? Army Painter may have changed what they shipped them with, but mine came with two reversible bits, to provide a range of 4 grips for bits. And held all the bits that came with it.
Now it won’t fit larger bits. When drilling holes for larger magnets I need other tools. But I never had problems with what it came with.
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2018/12/11 12:53:59
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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I have 2 of the black-knob Citadel ones, and the brown GW one. All seems good enough for the mass of magnetising I do.
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2018/12/11 13:43:57
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Dipping With Wood Stain
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Nevelon wrote: mcmattila wrote:I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..
Do they still come with the spare collete hidden in the back? Army Painter may have changed what they shipped them with, but mine came with two reversible bits, to provide a range of 4 grips for bits. And held all the bits that came with it.
Now it won’t fit larger bits. When drilling holes for larger magnets I need other tools. But I never had problems with what it came with.
It did come with the two double sided chucks, but the other one (which has the smallest and largest holes) can't take any bits from the kit. But maybe it's for extra bits you might buy/have. I've had trouble with the largest bit slipping when drilling with a pilot hole, but I managed by drilling with each bit one after another. I suppose I could make it tighter with a couple of pliers, but that's too much for something that should be finger-operated..
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2018/12/11 15:29:21
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Fixture of Dakka
Feasting on the souls of unworthy opponents
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kb_lock wrote:I bought a load of cheapies and they almost all sucked - if they don't hold the bit straight, they are useless.
The tamiya ones are amazing, the gf9 and gw ones are good too - just don't get the cheapest stuff you can imo
Are you talking about this Tamiya Pin Vice?
https://www.amazon.com/Fine-Pin-Vise-0-1-3-2mm-Tamiya/dp/B000J44ZSA
As in, if I get that and the fine drill bit set, I'll be set?
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2018/12/11 19:28:40
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
London
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@DoP: I think you probably can't go wrong with Tamiya (although I had to buy two different ones about 10 years ago ... 1x for very small drills / 1x for larger, as in 1 mm plus ... but I was doing a lot of 1/72 and 1/144 scale stuff back then). Then again, I can't find the exact ones I had (black handles) anywhere anyway (and HUGE handle size differences ... damn, I miss VOLKS).
I have no GW models right now, so I have no idea what diameter a "bolter" muzzle bore might be ... maybe 1 mm? 1.5? You might find an El Cheapo perfectly up to it ...
I suppose you could just gaze maliciously at the end of the muzzle long enough that the intensity of your glare softens the plastic enough to make it sufficiently pliable that you can ... maybe just get a Tamiya, if they're readily available ...
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2018/12/12 05:20:47
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Absolutely. The downside is the price.
There is also the -R model, which has a rubberised handle
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2018/12/12 05:52:16
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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This thread is well-timed, as I can't find my pin vise (assume lost), but I have metal stuff to build, so... I'm in the market for a pin vise with collet for 1/8" shafts (3.2mm). I like industrial carbide bits, and they all have a 1/8" shaft.
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2018/12/12 12:56:51
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Regular Dakkanaut
West Midlands
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2018/12/12 17:47:29
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Xeno-Hating Inquisitorial Excruciator
London
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OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?
I bought shed-loads of various sized paperclips based on a post I read here on Dakka ... but ... I'm thinking maybe wire would be better? Maybe a bit more flexible?
Also: bought the Citadel drill today ... haven't tried it yet, but it looks ... nice (I'm such a whore...)
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2018/12/12 18:32:16
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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War Drone wrote:OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?
I use 3/64" brass rod
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2018/12/12 18:55:57
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
UK
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brass, wire, paperclips - whatever fits really. Pins in joint can be a soft or hard metal it doesn't really matter as its primary purpose is tensile strength. It's a rod that the glue grips too and goes into the body of the model; significantly increasing the surface area for the glue to grip onto and thus providing an even tighter bond. That the metal might be bendy doesn't matter and often a little flex - such as you'd get with brass - is better than something so tough that you can't bend it a little to fit a more creative join area.
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2018/12/12 20:30:53
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Paper clips tend to be coated - too smooth for a good surface
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2018/12/13 14:07:18
Subject: Re:Pin vice purchase?
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Splattered With Acrylic Paint
South Wales
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War Drone wrote:OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?
I bought shed-loads of various sized paperclips based on a post I read here on Dakka ... but ... I'm thinking maybe wire would be better? Maybe a bit more flexible?
I use Florest wire. This stuff:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/green-lacquered-Wires-Florists-Thick/dp/B0063E6BRI/ref=sr_1_1
I have thinner and thicker versions but that seems the best to me. I get a nice tight fit (Ooo Eee Ooo Eee...) when using a 1.2mm drill bit.
It's strong but not difficult to bend and it's easy to cut. The lacquer coating has never caused any problems for me, but it is easy to rough up for a better key if needed.
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I use the pin vise from Greenstuffworld. Though I have since seen it cheaper on Amazon.
http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/working-tools/557-hobby-hand-drill-black-color.html?search_query=Pin+vise&results=16
It's nice quality, but the best part is that it doesn't require collets. It's grip works like a normal chuckless drill and will hold bits from the smallest, upto 4mm.
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2018/12/13 14:16:38
Subject: Pin vice purchase?
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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War Drone wrote:OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?
1mm brass rod. From a model shop, so some well-known make. Stick a 1' rod in the hole, and snip to fit.
Magnets (1.5mm, 2mm and 3mm diamater).
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