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Hey folks!

I'd read somewhere on here once that I should get a pin vice with a palm handle or something - I'm working on cleaning mold lines off my first set of bolters, and assuming I want to drill out the barrels for realism, which pin vice should I get? Can I get a link to a purchase site, or amazon product link? I've been searching through here with the search feature for 30 minutes trying to find someone actually pointing to *one* but haven't had any luck, so I'm just asking here.

   
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20-PCE-MICRO-HSS-MINI-TWIST-DRILLS-SWIVEL-HEAD-PIN-VICE-JEWELLERY-WATCHMAKING/292354774540?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D55149%26meid%3De64b848c2d8045b78ef474e9f50c8036%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D292354774540&_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226

That is your standard pinvice which shows the vice dismantled. Both ends unscrew to house the pressure claws to hold drill bits of different sizes. Whilst the rear cap also has a revolving stub that you can press into your palm when turning


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIN-VICE-DRILL-CHUCK-SET-JEWELLERY-WATCH-REPAIR-MODEL-CRAFTS-0-5-3MM-CHUCKS/273503386100?epid=1951334290&hash=item3fae1279f4:g:ARMAAOSw8L5b~W-L:rk:8:pf:0

Is a kind with a more comfortable handle, again similar design in that both ends unscrew to house the grippers. I would imagine its more comfortable, but I've no idea if the bulb end rotates or not.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Proops-Jewellers-Silversmiths-Jewellery-Tool-Universal-Pin-Vice-0-3-0mm-M0247/111009731241?hash=item19d8b212a9:g:tHYAAOSwezVWud9Y:rk:22:pf:0

Is a kind with a fixed wooden handle. There rear doesn't rotate on this, but it can be more comfortable in the hand at times.



Note I got all of those with just "pin vice" in ebay

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I use the Army Painter branded one, works fine.

   
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No offence meant, but I'm gonna chime in quickly and strongly advise AGAINST the first pin vice that Overread posted ... I purchased the exact same one 3x weeks ago and it slips real bad with the smaller drill sizes. It's fine at about 1.25 - 1.5 mm, but below that not so much. Totally screwed up some extensive pinning I needed to do.

@ Overread: I don't think you were so much recommending it, as demonstrating what different types are available.

I'm obviously now also in the market for a pin vice, so I'll watch this thread for a bit and see what happens, but am leaning heavily towards GW's drill tbh ... a bit pricey but buying the AP one would cost more with P&P - the GW one I can pick up in store next week.


   
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Aye I was only showing the first few links; although I'm surprised with your experience as that first kind is the pretty standard make that is, design wise, sold in most places.


GW tools are often overpriced/marked up quite a bit, but they are generally very solid and reliable tools. I wouldn't feel bad at using them, but when my faithful yellow handled GW clippers broke (the little spring gave out) and I saw that GW was charging £20 for a new pair I got a far cheaper (and honestly exactly the same as my original yellow handled clippers) one off ebay from a general hobby store.

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 Overread wrote:

GW tools are often overpriced/marked up quite a bit, but they are generally very solid and reliable tools. I wouldn't feel bad at using them, but when my faithful yellow handled GW clippers broke (the little spring gave out) and I saw that GW was charging £20 for a new pair I got a far cheaper (and honestly exactly the same as my original yellow handled clippers) one off ebay from a general hobby store.


Yeah, the GW tools are well dear, but seem to be very high quality. I mean, "I" don't feel bad about using GW stuff, it's just my wallet does this year

Just remembered I had a Tamiya pin vice a few years back and that was excellent. Must see if I can find one here (doubt it tbh).

I don't even normally need to pin anything, but I'm working on an old Infinity Szalamander and that's a pretty large metal mini ..
   
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I use the GW pin vice, for what it's worth, and it's great. I bought it for the same reasons you're considering it - you know the quality is going to be good, and even though it's more expensive, it is convenient to pick up, and not so crazy a price once you take postage into account.
   
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I use both of the first two styles posted by Overread.
My generic is one of these
https://excelblades.com/products/swivel-head-pin-vise-4-chucks
The other is the previous Citadel drill

which they don’t carry anymore, but Revell’s appears to be exactly the same
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=revell+39064&_sacat=0
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Revell-39064-Hand-Drill-Bits/dp/B00T66U97I

I definitely prefer the second style. It’s indeed more comfortable which is nice in long sessions or when dealing with metal models, and it doesn’t make my hand smell metallic.
The only reason I use the first is that it’s slightly larger meaning that it can handle 1/8” drill bits which are a little too big for the second. It might just be an issue with this particular drill though, because the one in Overread’s link says it can take 3mm (about 1/8) and mine only has one chuck whereas that one has two.

I can’t comment on the large handle type.

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I have the generic one from eBay, it works just fine.

I don’t know why they come with bits less than half a mill but even then the chuck needs to be cranked right down, it’s good that it has 2 double ended chucks of different sizes

Out of the 30 odd bits I use just 4 of them,

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I bought a load of cheapies and they almost all sucked - if they don't hold the bit straight, they are useless.

The tamiya ones are amazing, the gf9 and gw ones are good too - just don't get the cheapest stuff you can imo
   
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I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..

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 mcmattila wrote:
I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..


Do they still come with the spare collete hidden in the back? Army Painter may have changed what they shipped them with, but mine came with two reversible bits, to provide a range of 4 grips for bits. And held all the bits that came with it.

Now it won’t fit larger bits. When drilling holes for larger magnets I need other tools. But I never had problems with what it came with.

   
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I have 2 of the black-knob Citadel ones, and the brown GW one. All seems good enough for the mass of magnetising I do.

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 Nevelon wrote:
 mcmattila wrote:
I've got the Army Painter one, and don't like it much. One of the five drill bits it comes with doesn't fit at all, and two are too loose for drilling. I'd like to invest in a Tamiya pin vice, but it's just not possible right now..


Do they still come with the spare collete hidden in the back? Army Painter may have changed what they shipped them with, but mine came with two reversible bits, to provide a range of 4 grips for bits. And held all the bits that came with it.

Now it won’t fit larger bits. When drilling holes for larger magnets I need other tools. But I never had problems with what it came with.

It did come with the two double sided chucks, but the other one (which has the smallest and largest holes) can't take any bits from the kit. But maybe it's for extra bits you might buy/have. I've had trouble with the largest bit slipping when drilling with a pilot hole, but I managed by drilling with each bit one after another. I suppose I could make it tighter with a couple of pliers, but that's too much for something that should be finger-operated..

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kb_lock wrote:
I bought a load of cheapies and they almost all sucked - if they don't hold the bit straight, they are useless.

The tamiya ones are amazing, the gf9 and gw ones are good too - just don't get the cheapest stuff you can imo


Are you talking about this Tamiya Pin Vice?

https://www.amazon.com/Fine-Pin-Vise-0-1-3-2mm-Tamiya/dp/B000J44ZSA

As in, if I get that and the fine drill bit set, I'll be set?

   
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@DoP: I think you probably can't go wrong with Tamiya (although I had to buy two different ones about 10 years ago ... 1x for very small drills / 1x for larger, as in 1 mm plus ... but I was doing a lot of 1/72 and 1/144 scale stuff back then). Then again, I can't find the exact ones I had (black handles) anywhere anyway (and HUGE handle size differences ... damn, I miss VOLKS).

I have no GW models right now, so I have no idea what diameter a "bolter" muzzle bore might be ... maybe 1 mm? 1.5? You might find an El Cheapo perfectly up to it ...

I suppose you could just gaze maliciously at the end of the muzzle long enough that the intensity of your glare softens the plastic enough to make it sufficiently pliable that you can ... maybe just get a Tamiya, if they're readily available ...
   
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 Dashofpepper wrote:
kb_lock wrote:
I bought a load of cheapies and they almost all sucked - if they don't hold the bit straight, they are useless.

The tamiya ones are amazing, the gf9 and gw ones are good too - just don't get the cheapest stuff you can imo


Are you talking about this Tamiya Pin Vice?

https://www.amazon.com/Fine-Pin-Vise-0-1-3-2mm-Tamiya/dp/B000J44ZSA

As in, if I get that and the fine drill bit set, I'll be set?

Absolutely. The downside is the price.

There is also the -R model, which has a rubberised handle
   
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This thread is well-timed, as I can't find my pin vise (assume lost), but I have metal stuff to build, so...

I'm in the market for a pin vise with collet for 1/8" shafts (3.2mm).

I like industrial carbide bits, and they all have a 1/8" shaft.

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I bought the cheap set that was mentioned here
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20-PCE-MICRO-HSS-MINI-TWIST-DRILLS-SWIVEL-HEAD-PIN-VICE-JEWELLERY-WATCHMAKING/292354774540?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D55149%26meid%3De64b848c2d8045b78ef474e9f50c8036%26pid%3D100505%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D292354774540&_trksid=p2045573.c100505.m3226

The pin vice is useless, and the drill bits are pretty dire, they don't really cut well into plastic, and it took a lot of effort to get even a shallow depth hole to glue a head to a paperclip for painting.

You might be better getting decent drill bits too.
   
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OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?

I bought shed-loads of various sized paperclips based on a post I read here on Dakka ... but ... I'm thinking maybe wire would be better? Maybe a bit more flexible?

Also: bought the Citadel drill today ... haven't tried it yet, but it looks ... nice (I'm such a whore...)
   
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 War Drone wrote:
OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?


I use 3/64" brass rod

   
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brass, wire, paperclips - whatever fits really. Pins in joint can be a soft or hard metal it doesn't really matter as its primary purpose is tensile strength. It's a rod that the glue grips too and goes into the body of the model; significantly increasing the surface area for the glue to grip onto and thus providing an even tighter bond. That the metal might be bendy doesn't matter and often a little flex - such as you'd get with brass - is better than something so tough that you can't bend it a little to fit a more creative join area.

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Paper clips tend to be coated - too smooth for a good surface

   
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 War Drone wrote:
OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?

I bought shed-loads of various sized paperclips based on a post I read here on Dakka ... but ... I'm thinking maybe wire would be better? Maybe a bit more flexible?


I use Florest wire. This stuff:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/green-lacquered-Wires-Florists-Thick/dp/B0063E6BRI/ref=sr_1_1

I have thinner and thicker versions but that seems the best to me. I get a nice tight fit (Ooo Eee Ooo Eee...) when using a 1.2mm drill bit.
It's strong but not difficult to bend and it's easy to cut. The lacquer coating has never caused any problems for me, but it is easy to rough up for a better key if needed.


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I use the pin vise from Greenstuffworld. Though I have since seen it cheaper on Amazon.

http://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/working-tools/557-hobby-hand-drill-black-color.html?search_query=Pin+vise&results=16

It's nice quality, but the best part is that it doesn't require collets. It's grip works like a normal chuckless drill and will hold bits from the smallest, upto 4mm.

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 War Drone wrote:
OK , I need help ... what are you guys actually using as "pins"?

1mm brass rod. From a model shop, so some well-known make. Stick a 1' rod in the hole, and snip to fit.
Magnets (1.5mm, 2mm and 3mm diamater).

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