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As far as I can see, Bloodletters have taken quite the hefty nerf, perhaps signaling that the initial wording on Decapitating strike was a mistake? Or just more powerful than intended.

Previously, every 6+ To Hit was dealt as a Mortal Wound instead of rolling to wound. Modifiers would apply to this roll, with positive hit modifiers making them quite powerful for dishing out mortal wounds.

With this rule update, it's changed to Unmodified To-Hit-Rolls of 6 dishing out a Mortal Wound in addition to any other damage inflicted.

Would still having the potential 'normal' damage from getting the 6 to hit balance out losing Modifiers working on their Mortal wound output, but 'losing' the rest of that attack? First glance makes me see it as a nerf to a particular strategy, but making normal Bloodletters more reliable against Negative Hit Modifiers, and not as reliant on buffing or running them in max units.

Opinions and thoughts?

Most abilities that previously triggered on a 6+ have been changed to trigger on an unmodified 6. We should have been expecting this. If you're currently using any model with a similar ability, expect this change in the future. GW seems to be trying to de-emphasize stacking modifiers, and I feel like that's a good thing.

For sure it's a trend I've been noticing as well, and is over all good for the gameplay.

I'm imagining though, that we'll be seeing less max-units of Bloodletters, since the incentive to use them in hordes is lower.

Anything that shifts a min/max crutch away is a good thing IMO.

Hope this makes it's way to the Blighted Weapons

Conversely, negative modifiers from enemies won't make it impossible to get the 6s though. I played vs a Death army once with a Mourngul and 2 other - hit effects. Really REALLY stale circus peanuts in that game.

Yes we lose stacking modifiers for auto mortal wound.

We gain - 6's for MW AND the attack carries on to wound/ potentially cause another wound so each BL can potentially do 2 damage, immunity to -modifiers negating our precious MWs.

I call it a fair trade personally.

Indeed, this change is one that can neither be classed as a buff or a nerf.

Nighthaunt units "suffered" the same fate (such as the spirit hosts). They still kick out lots of MWs btw, it just doesn't go overboard and they don't hit like wet noodles now when there's a debuff. So I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Did they change the points in this box set. Apparently they did. Thats nice of them to change points around outside of the ghb and not let anyone know unless you buy some side box lol.

GW only changes points in GHB, auticus complains about them only balancing the game once a year. GW changes points between GHBs, auticus complains about them balancing outside the place he expects them to.

I'll take that as a yes, they made changes to points outside of any faq or errata. That was fun to have sprung up on.

To be fair they have the capacity to repoint units monthly now since they have their own Warscroll Builder.

They do. But they don't. Except now they've set the precedence that they will if they release a box. I wouldn't have really cared either way to be honest except that there is nothing that signals that points were changed and that players needed to go adjust their information. There should have been an FAQ or Errata article stating that the matched play points of the units in the new box have changed.

I would be pretty happy if blightkings went this way. Of course they do not have easy access to hit bonuses, but for me the trade off is totally worth not being neutered by hit penalties.

So what do Bloodletters cost now (in Wrath)?

I dont think we're allowed to post point costs here. However GW endorses the warscroll builder on their own community site which has their points listed up there.

auticus wrote:
I dont think we're allowed to post point costs here. However GW endorses the warscroll builder on their own community site which has their points listed up there.

So this section of Dakka is runs differently than the 40k sections? Or is the 40ksectin is the anomaly? Because 40k pts are freely bitched about all the time & nothing happens to anyone.

They were 100 for 10.
Now 120/320 for 10/30

 Alex Kolodotschko wrote:
They were 100 for 10.
Now 120/320 for 10/30

Oh. So no difference to me. That's what they cost in GHB'18. What's Auticus going on about them changing pts outside the GHB?

They changed points for things in the slaanesh / khorne box. ex: GHB 18 says Blood Crushers are 150 points, but the box set knocked them down to 140 pts.

Good, bloodcrushers were a bit crummy.

I think that bloodletters, like plaguebearers, should ideally be 120/200/320 for 10/20/30 so I'm reasonably OK with the cost; just never take units of 20.

Please bring this to the Blightkings any time now GW.
Us Nurgle devotees are waiting!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Good, bloodcrushers were a bit crummy.

I think that bloodletters, like plaguebearers, should ideally be 120/200/320 for 10/20/30 so I'm reasonably OK with the cost; just never take units of 20.

Never take 20 is presumably because there\s some cutoff that makes them unviable? Seeing they are at their cheapest at 20 strong going lot more expensive at units of 10 and slightly more expensive at 30

Their synergy is maximized at 30. You get +1 to hit as long as they have 20 or more models.

If you take 20 models once you lose 1 model you lose that. If you take 30 models not only do you get the discount, you get +1 to hit until you lose 11 models.

Well each bloodletter is worth about 9 points for showing up. But the command group is worth about 20 points; so 110 for a 10-man unit and 200 for a 20-man (ok it's not 120 but close enough). However at 20+ models bloodletter units get +1 to hit. This means bloodletters beyond that are worth more since their weapon profile is better; so about 12 points apiece instead. Thus 200 for the first 20, 12 pts a model after that. And there's no need for a horde discount because those extras in the back still ensure bloodletters 1-19 get +1 to hit.

Or in short; the size-based bonus of the warscroll means a max unit out performs the same number of models split into smaller units.

There are a number of units like this, where the benefit is so significant that not only is there no need for a horde discount but the larger sizes should actually cost more. Skeletons may be the most extreme; try pitting one 40-man unit against two 20-man units and be amused by the one-sided carnage in favor of the cheaper option.