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Name a few movies you liked that most people hated.

One I like was "Lucy". Most people hated it and yes, I know the 10% of the brain thing is a myth. I get that! But given I know about what's commonly known as "the twin slit experiment" and that the possibility of knowledge can affect reality at the quantum level I liked the idea of a human achieving a new level of awareness and being able to then essentially affect reality by choice was an interesting one. Also the idea that in essence humanity becomes it's own creator was one I liked to. Lucy was in some ways almost a Dr. Manhattan movie as Lucy was basically in many ways like watchmen's Dr. Manhattan.

Id have to say Only God Forgives, its pretty much style over substance in every way. I just happen to like very grim and immersive/atmospheric movies.

Starwars episode 8.
Lucy.
Starwars episode 7
The meg

One thing I liked in Lucy was the subtle religious message. When the two sides where shooting it out in the hospital, they were destroying a religious stature in the crossfire.

later we discover that lucy herself, upon attaining something like omnipotence, travels back in time, meets the hominid Lucy, and possibly does something t6o her to ensure humanity would exist when she touched her. (tho, technically, simnply going back in time and being seen be people in the past would imply that since that happened there had to be a human race advanced enough to create the situation that lead to Lucy's transcendence...)

So in a sense human science creates a situation where a person attains full awareness of reality, which would according to a lot of quantum theory and some proven experiments, mean they would be able to affect reality to a great degree given their greater ability to observe it fully, and becomes the creator of the human race.

Some time after Lucy was released, a new experiment proved that time travel, of a sort, at the quantum level, is not only possible but happens and can be demonstrated in a lab.

So yeah, I liked lucy a lot. I do think she was an expansion on the Dr. Manhattan character to a large degree.

As to quantum time travel in a lab...

https://youtu.be/8ORLN_KwAgs


Another movie i like that a lot of people don't was "Zardoz".

I kind of like Alien vs Predator Requim. I'll never call it a good movie, but I think it got more hate than it really warranted.

EDIT: Oh and because I just saw it on Netflix: Jason X. I don't care what anyone says. It's the funniest Friday the 13th movie by far, and by the sheer virtue of being the only Friday the 13th Film to induce any reaction from me other than to groan at the awfulness on screen it is automatically the best film in the franchise. Always appreciate a movie being made by people who know how utterly stupid the premise is and just run with it.

I know a lot of people hate it but I liked "Star trek the motion picture". Yes I know about stephen collins. That has nothing to do with the movie.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I know a lot of people hate it but I liked "Star trek the motion picture". Yes I know about stephen collins. That has nothing to do with the movie.

Star Trek TMP is grossly underrated IMO. It wasn't as action-packed as Star Wars, but who cares? In some ways, it was closer to the spirit of the original series than any other Star Trek movie.

One movie I could mention that I love but a lot of people hate is Battle: Los Angeles. I think it made a refreshing change in the whole "alien invasion" movie theme in that we see what's happening from the point of view of ordinary soldiers instead of seeing the big picture from the point of view of the President or generals. Plus I really enjoyed the combat sequences in there. Just a very cool movie to me.

Star Trek TMP is pretty crappy TBH. It’s still the best of tye bad Trek films but that’s hardly saying much.

For my pick: The Dark Tower (2017) - reviled by critics and fans alike, it seemed perfectly serviceable to me. Of course, I haven’t read the novel in 20+ years and don’t care about the series.

 Manchu wrote:
Star Trek TMP is pretty crappy TBH. It’s still the best of tye bad Trek films but that’s hardly saying much.

For my pick: The Dark Tower (2017) - reviled by critics and fans alike, it seemed perfectly serviceable to me. Of course, I haven’t read the novel in 20+ years and don’t care about the series.

Well the movie takes place AFTER the book series. The end of the last book ends where the first book begns but with some important changes (namely he has the horn, which he has in the movie). Its the bad characterizations and the mad rush through a lot of plot points thats bad. Rolands primary character element is his single minded drive to reach the tower and everything and everyone he will sacrifice to do as such. In the movie he couldn't possibly care less about the tower.

I don’t care about the books. I viewed the movie as its own thing and on those terms it was entirely competent, unlike many movies released in 2017 that were reviewed much better.

Which is fine. But again, a movie called the Dark Tower that has no Dark Tower in it and whos protagonist isn't interested in any Towers.

The Dark Tower as a thing was certainly in the film and attacking it was Walter’s main goal, driving all of the action in the film.

 Manchu wrote:
The Dark Tower as a thing was certainly in the film and attacking it was Walter’s main goal, driving all of the action in the film.

Sure. They showed some distant single shot of it. Walter was interested in attacking it. Roland was interested in avoiding it. The man in black then instigated Roland for no reason that would serve his plans especially because Roland didn't give a gak about anything at the start of that film. If Walter just decided to leave Roland alone the movie would have just ended with Walter winning. Idiot bad guy was an idiot for no reason. Without ROLAND being motivated to find and save the tower the whole movie had to have the bad guy be a moron to get the good guy involved at all.

Walter wanted to use Jake’s power to destroy the Tower. Fatherless Jake bonded with Roland, who hates Walter for killing his own father. Roland and Jake team up to defeat Walter.

As I said, competent film.

 Manchu wrote:
Walter wanted to use Jake’s power to destroy the Tower. Fatherless Jake bonded with Roland, who hates Walter for killing his own father. Roland and Jake team up to defeat Walter.

As I said, competent film.

Walter didn't NEED Jake to do it. He could have kept using any psychics to do it. Jake just would have gotten it done faster while also re-attracting the ire of the one man in possession of magic guns and super human training to use them. Again, an idiot who made his own problems.

BTW I am glad you liked it. I thought it was fine for what it was. Just didn't think it was particularly any good.

 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I know a lot of people hate it but I liked "Star trek the motion picture". Yes I know about stephen collins. That has nothing to do with the movie.

Star Trek TMP is grossly underrated IMO. It wasn't as action-packed as Star Wars, but who cares? In some ways, it was closer to the spirit of the original series than any other Star Trek movie.

I really appreciated ST:TMP a lot more when I re-watched it recently, it has a very different pace to a lot of modern movies and you can tell that the audience back then was expected to have a lot more sense of Romance for space travel. The shuttle trip that reveals the Enterprise felt really drawn out in a nice sort of way.


The film I really liked this year which didn't do so well at the box office was Annihilation. There wasn't much about it that I didn't like.

I liked sttmp for its vast sense of scale, the hugeness of the unknown cloud, the sheer size of it. It invoked the old "sense of awe and wonder" really good SF should have.

The BenJen Daredevil, whilst not great its far from the worst hero movie being far less stinky than Thor 2, Iron Man 2 or Apocalypse (although J-Law's inability to hide her total disinterest was worth a star)

Hobo with a Shotgun, folks bemoan its schlocky unpleasantness and ikky violence but as an ode to all things 80's cinema its a masterpiece

 Lance845 wrote:
Walter didn't NEED Jake to do it. He could have kept using any psychics to do it. Jake just would have gotten it done faster while also re-attracting the ire of the one man in possession of magic guns and super human training to use them. Again, an idiot who made his own problems.

BTW I am glad you liked it. I thought it was fine for what it was. Just didn't think it was particularly any good.

As you say, Walter wanted Jake because Jake could get the job done. Walter was super eager to destroy the Tower and his unbroken streak of victories against everyone standing in his way made him arrogant, hence his torment of Roland. In this sense, most bad guys in movies are their own downfall.

I don’t think it’s a great film by any stretch. But it was panned way, way more harshly than was either necessary or even reasonable.

 Manchu wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Walter didn't NEED Jake to do it. He could have kept using any psychics to do it. Jake just would have gotten it done faster while also re-attracting the ire of the one man in possession of magic guns and super human training to use them. Again, an idiot who made his own problems.

BTW I am glad you liked it. I thought it was fine for what it was. Just didn't think it was particularly any good.

As you say, Walter wanted Jake because Jake could get the job done. Walter was super eager to destroy the Tower and his unbroken streak of victories against everyone standing in his way made him arrogant, hence his torment of Roland. In this sense, most bad guys in movies are their own downfall.

I don’t think it’s a great film by any stretch. But it was panned way, way more harshly than was either necessary or even reasonable.

I suppose.

Something many don't realize is every single one of King's novels are part of a shared universe with the Dark Tower series being the central story/conflict that every other book is either a part of or a consequence of (The creature from IT has escaped from outside the bounds of reality into that world because of the damage being done to the Tower by Walter weakening the Beams). Walter goes across many worlds sewing chaos in the name of the Crimson King. Randall Flagg, the main villain of the Stand, is Walter as an example. With all the shared universes going on and with IT coming out right around the same time, the release of The Dark Tower would have laid a great foundation for that central conflict and linking threads.

I think the outrage was for a few reasons. 1) People who liked or even read the stories were pissed about how little was done with it. 2) the mischaracterization. 3) They tried to cram a lot of that mythology into the short movie while going basically nowhere with it and doing a poor job of explaining it. 4) The resulting weirdness of all that is probably a no go for most movie goers. You clearly enjoyed it despite it's flaws. But I think most people saw the 3 or 4 leaps for the movies logic for the story and it just disconnected them from the whole experience.

I thought the Dark Tower movie was pretty bad, though the little kid tag along was oddly not the worst part of the film I suspected it would be from the trailers.

Really I think at issue is that telling the story of the Dark Tower in any meaningful way doesn't work with a movie format. There's not enough time in a film, and the Dark Tower books are on the longish end for published novels (though not full door stoppers).

The series really needs to be a TV series to get anywhere.

I didn’t enjoy it “despite its flaws” — I enjoyed it because it had strong fundamentals. Contrast The Dark Tower to its contemporary, Rogue One. The former has a clear narrative arc with a few well-drawn characters. Result? 16% RT, 34% Metacritic. The latter consists of rambling nonsense played out by a large cast of cardboard nobodies. 84% RT, 65% Metacritic. Now, R1 was a much glossier, even awe-inspiring production (let’s hope so, with nearly $200M more spent than The Dark Tower). But it was a pathetic waste of time, just in terms of the basic components of storytelling. Snubbing The Dark Tower and praising the likes of R1 is just a very clear testament to how critics and audiences alike have abandoned story and character and plot for razzle dazzle.

I liked Suicide Squad.

Question is, is it a bad film that you nevertheless like (that’s the other thread) or do you think it’s an okay or even good film that got unfairly panned?

I love iron man 3. Man its a great film. I don't get the hate for it.

 Manchu wrote:
Question is, is it a bad film that you nevertheless like (that’s the other thread) or do you think it’s an okay or even good film that got unfairly panned?

I like it, and it's an objectively terrible film, I think. Every criticism is true. I don't know why I like it.

I’m sure Margot Robbie helps a bit.

Hudson Hawk.

It was a Bruce Willis movie released shortly after Die Hard. And it suffered from the worst - or at least most inappropriate - ad campaign possible. It was advertised as being an action-adventure movie in the same sort of mold as Die Hard... but that's not what the movie was at all. More than anything else, it was a live-action cartoon, with all the wacky hijinks that entails.

Needless to say, the clash between expectation and reality made sure it failed dismally.

If you take it for the highly comedic film that it is, not the serious action-adventure film it was advertised as, you see it's actually quite a good film. It just wasn't what people were expecting, that's all.

I put Hudson Hawk up with Last Action Hero as great films that apparently just don't work for most people. I never got why either of them were panned so hard. Anyone who enjoys Big Trouble in Little China should be able to "get" them.

Gremlins 2. My friend and I saw this film several times in the theater and rented (and copied) it the day it became available on VHS. My parents were so confused why we liked the film.

Gremlins 2 is almost universally considered better than 1. Its a parody of gremlins 1 which is itself a parody. Its great.