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So the Warhammer Community banner now just says "30 Days Have Passed, 50 Days Remain"

So Abaddon and Vigilus book 2 first weekend of March?



OP and thread title updated to better reflect subject - BrookM

I'm desperately hoping that in 50 days they just release another primaris lieutenant.

Or even better, a chaos primaris lieutenant.

It would be geedubz trolling at its finest.

They just nerfed Haarkon, who was already pretty useless.

I can only speculate Vigilus 2 will require Black Legion Raptors for some formation buff. Otherwise, what's the point of haarkon. You take Raptors as suicide special weapons drops, and Abaddon would be the better choice to give rerolls to everything.

I mean based on their own pictures of Haarkon surrounded by Warp Talons, GW must also believe that Warp Talons have the Raptor keyword :p Knowing their own game isn't their strong point.

We'll get a teaser video showing the complicated and arcane ritual Abaddon went through to have his arms reattached.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We'll get a teaser video showing the complicated and arcane ritual Abaddon went through to have his arms reattached.

LIAR!
Even gw knows that failbaddon the (h)armless has no Arms!
It is simply impossible!

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm desperately hoping that in 50 days they just release another primaris lieutenant.

Or even better, a chaos primaris lieutenant.

It would be geedubz trolling at its finest.

Codex Primaris Lieutenant.

Honestly I hope its new chaos black legion stuff, including a new abaddon and his body guard and his Ezekalion.

Looking forward to new stuff but, realistically, it will likely be models with weird (random is always fun right) rules since it is chaos and GW has never figured out how to balance them (short of the brief 3.5 dex).

 buddha wrote:
Looking forward to new stuff but, realistically, it will likely be models with weird (random is always fun right) rules since it is chaos and GW has never figured out how to balance them (short of the brief 3.5 dex).

The 3.5 codex was the best Chaos codex, but "balanced" isn't quite the word I'd use for it, and I played with it. "Flavorful" would be what I'd say, with the vast majority of units being viable, and having options galore. But let's not pretend there wasn't internal balance issues, and MASSIVE external balance issues. The 3.5 Chaos codex dominated competitions.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I'm desperately hoping that in 50 days they just release another primaris lieutenant.

Or even better, a chaos primaris lieutenant.

It would be geedubz trolling at its finest.

Ya’all realize this simply means you have 50 days left until the Tyranids come eat you all, right?

Wake me up when they decide to run a campaign that supports ALL their model lines, instead of soup, the Spikey clones and 1-2 “just got models” Xenos factions.

We'll see what happens. If this Chaos release isn't big after all the hyping their down (crappy Haarken nerf included) then I might be out of 40k for good. I've been waiting too long for GW to flub this and leave me hanging for another 20 years.

Flub what though? Some random world gets a narrative around it to sell a few kits. Don't expect it to be game changing.

I wouldn't get too worked up about the countdown. Remember what happened after the Malign Portents countdown?

If I remember right, they just announced a worldwide campaign after the countdown where you had to play games and choose different symbols for the story progression.

If this is similar to that, then you can easily add on an extra 30 days before we even get a glimpse of a new Abbadon.

Looking back, the Malign Portents began at the start of the year and the Soul Wars box and new Nighthaunt stuff came out June 30th.

So yeah, don't hold your breath!

 cuda1179 wrote:
The 3.5 codex was the best Chaos codex, but "balanced" isn't quite the word I'd use for it, and I played with it. "Flavorful" would be what I'd say, with the vast majority of units being viable, and having options galore. But let's not pretend there wasn't internal balance issues, and MASSIVE external balance issues. The 3.5 Chaos codex dominated competitions.

It wasn't balanced in the slightest, and there was far too much favouritism going on with the Iron Warriors vs the dreck the 1KSons were left with, but it was a real Chaos Codex though. You could play any Legion, customise your characters like mad, there were proper fething Daemon weapons (not the increasingly bland tripe that's come ever since), Daemons actually had rules*, and there were no end to the combinations and different ways of playing it. There were broken elements to be sure (giving up 2 FA was no big deal for IW players, Siren was super dumb, and an army with 2 wounds each does not have a lot going for it, no matter what Pete Haines said), but it was the last Chaos Codex that felt like a Chaos Codex.

The thing that came after it... well... I said my piece at the time on that monstrosity.


*I fully understand that the Generic Daemons were a compromise Gav was left with due to a company mandated split between Chaos Marines and Chaos Daemons, but really given what happened it would have been better if they'd just been cut completely.

Marleymoo wrote:
I wouldn't get too worked up about the countdown. Remember what happened after the Malign Portents countdown?

If I remember right, they just announced a worldwide campaign after the countdown where you had to play games and choose different symbols for the story progression.

If this is similar to that, then you can easily add on an extra 30 days before we even get a glimpse of a new Abbadon.

Looking back, the Malign Portents began at the start of the year and the Soul Wars box and new Nighthaunt stuff came out June 30th.

So yeah, don't hold your breath!

True.

But we know there is a book two on the way, so it seems odd if they didn’t release that (and then it’d be odd if nothing came with that book considering the first book got stuff..)

50 Days til they wake up the Necrons ... yay

drbored wrote:
We'll see what happens. If this Chaos release isn't big after all the hyping their down (crappy Haarken nerf included) then I might be out of 40k for good. I've been waiting too long for GW to flub this and leave me hanging for another 20 years.

Whats the Haarken nerf?

 Red Corsair wrote:

drbored wrote:
We'll see what happens. If this Chaos release isn't big after all the hyping their down (crappy Haarken nerf included) then I might be out of 40k for good. I've been waiting too long for GW to flub this and leave me hanging for another 20 years.

Whats the Haarken nerf?

Haarkon went from (as GW even promoted on their preview article) giving aura buff rerolls to ALL Raptors, to now just being for Black Legion Raptors.

Wouldn't be such a big deal had they not explicitly mentioned how awesome he was for rerolling every legion Raptors during the Warhammer Community article.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We'll get a teaser video showing the complicated and arcane ritual Abaddon went through to have his arms reattached.

I didn't realise there were so many fumble-fingered Chaos players around.

 Red Corsair wrote:

drbored wrote:
We'll see what happens. If this Chaos release isn't big after all the hyping their down (crappy Haarken nerf included) then I might be out of 40k for good. I've been waiting too long for GW to flub this and leave me hanging for another 20 years.

Whats the Haarken nerf?

His ability to buff all Raptors changed to just <Black Legion> Raptors.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
The 3.5 codex was the best Chaos codex, but "balanced" isn't quite the word I'd use for it, and I played with it. "Flavorful" would be what I'd say, with the vast majority of units being viable, and having options galore. But let's not pretend there wasn't internal balance issues, and MASSIVE external balance issues. The 3.5 Chaos codex dominated competitions.

It wasn't balanced in the slightest, and there was far too much favouritism going on with the Iron Warriors vs the dreck the 1KSons were left with, but it was a real Chaos Codex though. You could play any Legion, customise your characters like mad, there were proper fething Daemon weapons (not the increasingly bland tripe that's come ever since), Daemons actually had rules*, and there were no end to the combinations and different ways of playing it. There were broken elements to be sure (giving up 2 FA was no big deal for IW players, Siren was super dumb, and an army with 2 wounds each does not have a lot going for it, no matter what Pete Haines said), but it was the last Chaos Codex that felt like a Chaos Codex.

The thing that came after it... well... I said my piece at the time on that monstrosity.


*I fully understand that the Generic Daemons were a compromise Gav was left with due to a company mandated split between Chaos Marines and Chaos Daemons, but really given what happened it would have been better if they'd just been cut completely.

You know, other than perhaps Traitor Legions (which was them summarily invalidated by 8th) it seems they stuck with the 4th edition design philosophy rather than the 3.5. 3.5 was as close to perfect as Chaos has ever gotten, even with the busted parts that needed to be toned down.

I hope beyond hope that someday they give us something like that back. Chaos Veterans, customizable units, make the traitor legions really feel like remnants of old.

The only thing that the 3.5 Codex couldn't do was "Renegade Marine Chapter". I mean, sure, you could do it kinda, but then you'd have a Marine Chapter that turned traitor and gave in all their Assault Cannons/Cyclone Missile Launchers/Whirlwinds/Razorbacks/Land Speeders and so on, yet suddenly started using Termy Combi-Weapons, Reaper ACs, Daemon Engines, started using Meltas and Plasmas in Assault Squads, and other incongruous things.

 Imateria wrote:
His ability to buff all Raptors changed to just <Black Legion> Raptors.

They've already reversed that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The only thing that the 3.5 Codex couldn't do was "Renegade Marine Chapter". I mean, sure, you could do it kinda, but then you'd have a Marine Chapter that turned traitor and gave in all their Assault Cannons/Cyclone Missile Launchers/Whirlwinds/Razorbacks/Land Speeders and so on, yet suddenly started using Termy Combi-Weapons, Reaper ACs, Daemon Engines, started using Meltas and Plasmas in Assault Squads, and other incongruous things.

 Imateria wrote:
His ability to buff all Raptors changed to just <Black Legion> Raptors.

They've already reversed that.

NVM, just seen the WHC post.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/15/a-lord-of-raptors-he-is-returned/

*cough*

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*cough*

Could it be? A sign...that Chaos might finally get not obviously bad rules in the near future? No, no, it cannot be. No way.

Yet, I want to believe though...

 H wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*cough*

Could it be? A sign...that Chaos might finally get not obviously bad rules in the near future? No, no, it cannot be. No way.

Yet, I want to believe though...

Well even with the reversal he's still pretty rubbish so I wouldn't bet on it just yet.

 Imateria wrote:
Well even with the reversal he's still pretty rubbish so I wouldn't bet on it just yet.

Well, yeah, I mean I get that. I didn't do wwell in operationalizing my terms there. What I mean by "obviously bad" is where they make rules that are fairly obvious in not being all that powerful, then make them worse by putting overly restrictive limitations on them. It just doesn't make sense to overtly limit rules that are pretty clearly not broken or effective. It just makes people who would want to play them for fun/fluff reasons have an even worse play experience, I think.

 H wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
*cough*

Could it be? A sign...that Chaos might finally get not obviously bad rules in the near future? No, no, it cannot be. No way.

Yet, I want to believe though...

Are you praising GW for doing the least work possible? At the end they made no changes. They simply reverted him a day later to the base rules he already had, which were virtually useless. Despite the dozens of explanations on their facebook page and simple rule suggestions they could have done which would have taken the same amount of effort as what they put in the FAQ.

Such as his re-roll melee attacks works on RAPTORS and WARPTALON models. Thats less letters than adding BLACK LEGION infront of RAPTOR!

 Kirasu wrote:
Are you praising GW for doing the least work possible? At the end they made no changes. They simply reverted him a day later to the base rules he already had, which were virtually useless. Despite the dozens of explanations on their facebook page and simple rule suggestions they could have done which would have taken the same amount of effort as what they put in the FAQ.

Such as his re-roll melee attacks works on RAPTORS and WARPTALON models. Thats less letters than adding BLACK LEGION infront of RAPTOR!

Not really, no. The rule wasn't good to begin with, then they just went and made it worse. At least they then went and reversed the decision to make it worse. I mean, that is better, even if it wasn't good to begin with.

So, no, I don't actually think Chaos will get "good" rules with whatever comes out. But they don't need to make poor rules and then make FAQs to make those rules even less useful.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
The 3.5 codex was the best Chaos codex, but "balanced" isn't quite the word I'd use for it, and I played with it. "Flavorful" would be what I'd say, with the vast majority of units being viable, and having options galore. But let's not pretend there wasn't internal balance issues, and MASSIVE external balance issues. The 3.5 Chaos codex dominated competitions.

It wasn't balanced in the slightest, and there was far too much favouritism going on with the Iron Warriors vs the dreck the 1KSons were left with, but it was a real Chaos Codex though. You could play any Legion, customise your characters like mad, there were proper fething Daemon weapons (not the increasingly bland tripe that's come ever since), Daemons actually had rules*, and there were no end to the combinations and different ways of playing it. There were broken elements to be sure (giving up 2 FA was no big deal for IW players, Siren was super dumb, and an army with 2 wounds each does not have a lot going for it, no matter what Pete Haines said), but it was the last Chaos Codex that felt like a Chaos Codex.

The thing that came after it... well... I said my piece at the time on that monstrosity.


*I fully understand that the Generic Daemons were a compromise Gav was left with due to a company mandated split between Chaos Marines and Chaos Daemons, but really given what happened it would have been better if they'd just been cut completely.

The two armies I used with the 3.5 codex was World Eaters and Thousand Sons. World Eaters became a bit boring, as the army played itself with all the mandatory movement and charging. Thousand sons was less viable, but could still be strong against anything non-chaos, especially after a FAQ fixed some stuff. Double-shooting Winds of Chaos into anything that relied on either cover or a good save was brutal. I wiped out an entire Deathwing army in 2.5 turns while only loosing a Rhino, two aspiring sorcerers, and 3 Rubrics.