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So are indexes still usable as I have made a flesh tearer army knowing all the rules and things and I have the index but oviously the blood angel codex is out so am I still allowed to use the index as I'd rather spend what little money I have on models but if its not allowed I will get it. Also I know the codex is better but yeah. Finally my army is all FAQ and codex points so I'm not cheating in that regard.

Unless agree with your opponent you’re assumed to be using all latest rules and points, so Codex for most things.

The Fun Police won’t break all your models if you play with Index rules by prior agreement, however.

deotrims 16th wrote:
So are indexes still usable as I have made a flesh tearer army knowing all the rules and things and I have the index but oviously the blood angel codex is out so am I still allowed to use the index as I'd rather spend what little money I have on models but if its not allowed I will get it. Also I know the codex is better but yeah. Finally my army is all FAQ and codex points so I'm not cheating in that regard.

Yes, the FAQs/Designers notes etc explicitly tell you that you can. And how to do so. Are you aware of any pts changes to your army in Chapter approved 2018?

thanks that's helpful and I know all FAQ pts changes to my army. My flesh tearer army is more of a side army to my guard its just ridiculous speed and the only non deepstrikable unit is Gabriel seth I just wanted a bit of a change.

Depends on where you play. Somewhere they are allowed, elsewhere they are banned. Ergo asking from internet is useless. Ask groups you play with or tournaments you plan to attend.

GW wouldn't change the points on index only options if you couldn't use them!

ccs wrote:

deotrims 16th wrote:
So are indexes still usable as I have made a flesh tearer army knowing all the rules and things and I have the index but oviously the blood angel codex is out so am I still allowed to use the index as I'd rather spend what little money I have on models but if its not allowed I will get it. Also I know the codex is better but yeah. Finally my army is all FAQ and codex points so I'm not cheating in that regard.

Yes, the FAQs/Designers notes etc explicitly tell you that you can. And how to do so. Are you aware of any pts changes to your army in Chapter approved 2018?

This is misleading in the context of the question.

What the Designer's Commentary says is that if the model has a datasheet in a Codex, you should use the Codex version of the datasheet.

You should only use the Index datasheet for the following cases:
- If the model doesn't have a Codex datasheet at all, you can use the Index datasheet.
- If the model has a Codex datasheet, but some wargear options only exist in the Index datasheet, you use the Codex datasheet overall but can use the wargear options listed in the Index.

OP: It sounds like you want to use entirely Index datasheets, even when they are in the Codex. RAW, that is not allowed - but of course, what really matters is if your gaming group is OK with you using them anyways.

Aelyn wrote:

ccs wrote:

deotrims 16th wrote:
So are indexes still usable as I have made a flesh tearer army knowing all the rules and things and I have the index but oviously the blood angel codex is out so am I still allowed to use the index as I'd rather spend what little money I have on models but if its not allowed I will get it. Also I know the codex is better but yeah. Finally my army is all FAQ and codex points so I'm not cheating in that regard.

Yes, the FAQs/Designers notes etc explicitly tell you that you can. And how to do so. Are you aware of any pts changes to your army in Chapter approved 2018?

This is misleading in the context of the question.

What the Designer's Commentary says is that if the model has a datasheet in a Codex, you should use the Codex version of the datasheet.

You should only use the Index datasheet for the following cases:
- If the model doesn't have a Codex datasheet at all, you can use the Index datasheet.
- If the model has a Codex datasheet, but some wargear options only exist in the Index datasheet, you use the Codex datasheet overall but can use the wargear options listed in the Index.

OP: It sounds like you want to use entirely Index datasheets, even when they are in the Codex. RAW, that is not allowed - but of course, what really matters is if your gaming group is OK with you using them anyways.

Yeah, like I said, it tells you how to use it....

It's only a matter of time before the indexes are just phased out and silently written out of the game.

It's usable for now but I wouldn't plan an army around an index list if you're thinking long term.

Well, I still play my Autarch with the index rules: jetbike, reaper launcher, laser lance.

Indekhammer is a valid way to play the game!

OP is asking about using index instead of codex, not for missing codex options.

Well, you're kinda playing with a handicap using the index as it's pretty much Demo mode, and not the full version.

If everyone is using Indexes it works just fine. Maybe add in the Datacards for your specific army for Stratagems and such.

For now.

ccs wrote:

Aelyn wrote:

ccs wrote:

deotrims 16th wrote:
So are indexes still usable as I have made a flesh tearer army knowing all the rules and things and I have the index but oviously the blood angel codex is out so am I still allowed to use the index as I'd rather spend what little money I have on models but if its not allowed I will get it. Also I know the codex is better but yeah. Finally my army is all FAQ and codex points so I'm not cheating in that regard.

Yes, the FAQs/Designers notes etc explicitly tell you that you can. And how to do so. Are you aware of any pts changes to your army in Chapter approved 2018?

This is misleading in the context of the question.

What the Designer's Commentary says is that if the model has a datasheet in a Codex, you should use the Codex version of the datasheet.

You should only use the Index datasheet for the following cases:
- If the model doesn't have a Codex datasheet at all, you can use the Index datasheet.
- If the model has a Codex datasheet, but some wargear options only exist in the Index datasheet, you use the Codex datasheet overall but can use the wargear options listed in the Index.

OP: It sounds like you want to use entirely Index datasheets, even when they are in the Codex. RAW, that is not allowed - but of course, what really matters is if your gaming group is OK with you using them anyways.

Yeah, like I said, it tells you how to use it....

I didn't say your post was wrong, I said it was misleading.

It was clear from the OP that they were thinking of using only the index version of the datasheets for all units in their army, including those which have a datasheet in a codex. Your post made it sound like that was allowed, which is not correct, even if you did caveat it by saying the designer's commentary says how it works.

As far as substituting full-fledged codex with outdated index goes, as JohnnyHell pointed out it'll be up to prior agreement with opponents.

As far as utilizing index to provide/use rules for units that are not represented in the codex, this is fully allowed and supported by the RAW.