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Are they being dropped (see what I did there?) or just not in stock?

They're still for sale on the UK site.

It's definitely sold out and no longer available on the US GW Store

You know what this means? Shadowspear will have a Primaris sized Drop Pod!

It's also an old kit nobody's used in an army since the allied-transports nerf took filling them with Skitarii off the table.

God I hope that means they are just redoing it those things were a pain to build

They just ran out. Once they restock, they'll be back

Asherian Command wrote:God I hope that means they are just redoing it those things were a pain to build

I so hope so! They were the biggest pain in the butt to build and paint. A new design would be very welcome!

Galef wrote:They just ran out. Once they restock, they'll be back

When they are out of stock, they are listed as "Temporarily out of stock online." So far, every model I've seen that has "Sold Out" and "No Longer Available" is gone forever.

SG

 Galef wrote:
They just ran out. Once they restock, they'll be back

Aaahh! Drop pods aren't available, the sky is falling!

One of these threads pops up like ever other week it seems

(Laughs in 6 drop pods)
I used to run 6 drop pod lists back when the things were actually good...allowing reliable deep strike turn 1, and didn't cost like 70 points for a bloody storm bolter.

Those were the days

 fraser1191 wrote:
Aaahh! Drop pods aren't available, the sky is falling!

If Drop Pods aren't available, the sky isn't falling anymore.

SG

 Asherian Command wrote:
God I hope that means they are just redoing it those things were a pain to build

Tell me about it! Back when I played Space Marines I bought two of these. One got build and because of how awful it was to put together, the other got sold.

 ServiceGames wrote:

Galef wrote:They just ran out. Once they restock, they'll be back

When they are out of stock, they are listed as "Temporarily out of stock online." So far, every model I've seen that has "Sold Out" and "No Longer Available" is gone forever.

SG

Except no longer. Plenty of AT is "last chance to buy" and "no longer available" yet we know from horse's mouth restock is coming. Seems one cannot trust anymore what GW's terms are.

Alternatively could be just repackack. That would result in new product code which means this product code is indeed no longer available but new one comes later.

Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

 darkcloak wrote:
Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

OR, OR you are overreacting and it is just a repackaging. And even if isn't... models get lost. What do you expect? It's how they work. GW's not gonna keep up every model for ever.

tneva82 wrote:
Alternatively could be just repackack. That would result in new product code which means this product code is indeed no longer available but new one comes later.

That actually makes a lot of sense.

SG

 ServiceGames wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Alternatively could be just repackack. That would result in new product code which means this product code is indeed no longer available but new one comes later.

That actually makes a lot of sense.

SG

Well it's not like it's new scenario It has happened before when box gets repackaging though the oddity here is WHY drop pod would be reboxed. It's not like it has bases to be replaced like 25mm->32mm. New box art, transfer sheet and price hike?

Or it's just the weirdo "out of stock, comes later but still says no longer available" like with AT. Or something else. But I doubt it would really be going out of sale for good.

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

OR, OR you are overreacting and it is just a repackaging. And even if isn't... models get lost. What do you expect? It's how they work. GW's not gonna keep up every model for ever.

I could be, and I hope I am. However one kind of has to read the writing on the wall. I mean, this has been a hot topic since 8th dropped Primaris Marines on our lap. I hope it's a repack but I doubt it.

The Sternguard upgrade sprue is currently listed on the "last chance to buy" page. [/throwing fuel on the 'marines are getting squatted' fire]

 darkcloak wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

OR, OR you are overreacting and it is just a repackaging. And even if isn't... models get lost. What do you expect? It's how they work. GW's not gonna keep up every model for ever.

I could be, and I hope I am. However one kind of has to read the writing on the wall. I mean, this has been a hot topic since 8th dropped Primaris Marines on our lap. I hope it's a repack but I doubt it.

At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

Well better is subjective. Others want to play with space marines of old for which they are too big to be in scale. Also there's this Horus Heresy for which they definitely are head too tall and for which you still need rhino's, drop pods etc and can't use(thankfully) the butt ugly repulsor that looks like 2 year old kid decided to design with that ridiculous number of guns.

tneva82 wrote:
Well better is subjective. Others want to play with space marines of old for which they are too big to be in scale. Also there's this Horus Heresy for which they definitely are head too tall and for which you still need rhino's, drop pods etc and can't use(thankfully) the butt ugly repulsor that looks like 2 year old kid decided to design with that ridiculous number of guns.

HH is a whole nother issue, but it's something that comes with the package of new lines of models.

 Sir Heckington wrote:


At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

The claim that primaris models are better would be hard to prove, and the fact that their rules are worse then normal marines is well know. so this argument seems false. I understand that any removal of non primaris stuff make people remember WFB and get anxious.

I have five of them, if you want to buy one (or 5).

Karol wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:


At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

The claim that primaris models are better would be hard to prove, and the fact that their rules are worse then normal marines is well know. so this argument seems false. I understand that any removal of non primaris stuff make people remember WFB and get anxious.

I mean, it's a generally accepted thing that Primaris look better from my experience. And their rules are what marines should have been from the start. I see all the complaining about marines, and the fix was there at the start of 8th, I'm just sad minimarines didn't get primaris rules alongside them. They play like marines feel like they should imo. They just need a point decrease, and afaik Intercessors are in a decent place, Hellblasters have always been good ect.

ServiceGames wrote:

Galef wrote:They just ran out. Once they restock, they'll be back

When they are out of stock, they are listed as "Temporarily out of stock online." So far, every model I've seen that has "Sold Out" and "No Longer Available" is gone forever.

Um, no. Vast majority of the time, it means that particular box sold out. The unit is then placed in new box (which happens for dozens of reasons, maybe box art was changed from black to white, or bases went from 25 mm to 33 mm, or rules leaflet was changed from 7th to 8th edition, or sprue was refreshed/recut/upgrade sprue was added) and reappears back in stock...

Karol wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:
At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

The claim that primaris models are better would be hard to prove, and the fact that their rules are worse then normal marines is well know. so this argument seems false. I understand that any removal of non primaris stuff make people remember WFB and get anxious.

It is only "hard to prove" if you're blind and can't notice the fact the old SM have no abdomen and their legs grow out of their rib cage, while primaris have actual, human proportions.

And not only primaris are better than all but a few cherry-picked SM builds, their main issue isn't even found in their own rules. It's idiotic, horrendously stupid D2 proliferation on everything, even on stuff where it doesn't make any sense. If you gave primaris FNP or universal special rule reducing damage they take by 1 (which they should have, that is basically the whole point of their new organs) they would be perfectly fine and fluffy.

In response to why replacing the old line with Primaris is an issue.

I think that has been discussed enough and the argument holds water. Some of us actually do want to buy Drop Pods. In fact last night I was debating Rhinos vs Drop Pods for my Lamenters army. I guess that choice is made for me now isn't it?

And why does the Marine line need replacing anyway? Because GW has a skewed view of what is popular based on sales? I'll tell you now the main driver in Primaris sales is easily accessible models at a good value. It is so easy to build a Primaris army, all you need is half of the starter kit, and maybe a few units extra to fill it out and you're done.

I realize this may be a simple matter of a repack or whatever, but I was also in the middle of painting an IoB box when suddenly the entire world blew up. So... Excuse my tinfoil hat!

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:

 darkcloak wrote:
Well I fired off an angry letter.

Seems the squatters were right. So long Space Marines. I can't say there will be much point buying GW stuff anymore. After all who can say when stuff will disappear forever, get retconned or be replaced with something better mere moments after you buy it?

I'd love to grab that $200 Berzerker kit that comes with Kharn but now I see it's just a smart way for GW to make cash on old stock before they replace them.

And here we thought GW had become a better company. Turns out they just painted over the rust and started a Facebook page.

OR, OR you are overreacting and it is just a repackaging. And even if isn't... models get lost. What do you expect? It's how they work. GW's not gonna keep up every model for ever.

I could be, and I hope I am. However one kind of has to read the writing on the wall. I mean, this has been a hot topic since 8th dropped Primaris Marines on our lap. I hope it's a repack but I doubt it.

At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

I'm gonna hard disagree on those two subjects. I'll grant you intercessors look better than totally bare tactical marines, but tacticals are so wonderfully customizable at this point I can 100% forgive the proportions, while every 5 intercessors look identical to every other 5...unless you convert them with the more unique/interesting bits from the existing tactical squad kits. The Repulsive, Inceptor, Aggressor and Pot Belly Dreadnought sculpts are all hot ass with more in common with Centurions than anything else.

And rules-wise, I'm amazed anyone could think they're better who isn't a pretty much brand new player. Marines are a thousand times more flexible and customizable to what you actually need them to do. Primaris are about as interesting to build and option as Necrons, but without the appeal of playing an army with an actually interesting aesthetic or signature rules.

 Irbis wrote:
Um, no. Vast majority of the time, it means that particular box sold out. The unit is then placed in new box (which happens for dozens of reasons, maybe box art was changed from black to white, or bases went from 25 mm to 33 mm, or rules leaflet was changed from 7th to 8th edition, or sprue was refreshed/recut/upgrade sprue was added) and reappears back in stock...

I stand corrected

SG

 Irbis wrote:

Karol wrote:

 Sir Heckington wrote:
At the end of the day... why is it an issue? Primaris models are better, their rules are better. Their lore is a debatable subject, but everything else about them is great.

The claim that primaris models are better would be hard to prove, and the fact that their rules are worse then normal marines is well know. so this argument seems false. I understand that any removal of non primaris stuff make people remember WFB and get anxious.

It is only "hard to prove" if you're blind and can't notice the fact the old SM have no abdomen and their legs grow out of their rib cage, while primaris have actual, human proportions.

And not only primaris are better than all but a few cherry-picked SM builds, their main issue isn't even found in their own rules. It's idiotic, horrendously stupid D2 proliferation on everything, even on stuff where it doesn't make any sense. If you gave primaris FNP or universal special rule reducing damage they take by 1 (which they should have, that is basically the whole point of their new organs) they would be perfectly fine and fluffy.

I was unaware hyperrealism is how we judge the quality of miniatures.

Here I was thinking the proportions of the original Space Marine sculpts evoke the work of Carlos Ezquerra and Moebius (both of whom we lost recently.)

The 2.8mm increases in limb size are revolutionary, bringing them in line with the proportion of sci-fi franchises like Power Rangers, Fullmetal Alchemist and Iron Man. You can even see a little Paw Patrol in there, the new scale really captivates and engages. My imagination just takes off looking at them.