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Just a quick question brought to you by ignorance.

If I buy Chapter Approved 2018 (and I will be), do I need Chapter Approved 2017? Or does the new one supersede rules tweaks from 2017?

You don't need CA17, all the updated rules are in CA18. The only reason to get the older one is the missions.

There's not that much content left that hasn't been repeated in CA18 or is now outdated due to Codizes.

The Land Raider rules and the missions are the only things I recall that are unique in the book. There might be more. So I'd only take it if you can get it for cheap...

I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

Mournssquats wrote:
I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

No.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

Yes.

Mournssquats wrote:
I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

CA18 Page 134, very top line of the Tyranid table.

There is no instance of CA18 "missing" something in CA17 that hasn't been errata'd.


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 Crimson wrote:

Mournssquats wrote:
I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

No.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

Yes.

Incorrect see above

@Mad Doc Grotsnik: You only "need" CA17 if you want the missions or the hobby material. All rules, points etc. are superseded or included in CA18

2017 had some nice missions, Apocalypse missions and Land Raiders. Of the 3, the Apocalypse rules have had the most use out of my play group.

Cool.

CA:18 going in the ‘must have’ column.

CA:17 going in the ‘nice to have if I can find it second hand’ column

Cheers once again for the help, folks

CA17 can be safely thrown in the garbage if you were silly enough to buy it.

CA18 is pointless if you have access to battlescribe, or the various leaks on the internet.

 Marmatag wrote:
CA17 can be safely thrown in the garbage if you were silly enough to buy it.

CA18 is pointless if you have access to battlescribe, or the various leaks on the internet.

Unless, as it should do, an event mandates you have all your first party sources available at the event.

And there are a few bits fro CA17 that people may want to use, as has been previously mentioned - they're just unlikely to be attractive to a "tournament play uber alles" player.

 Marmatag wrote:
CA17 can be safely thrown in the garbage if you were silly enough to buy it.

CA18 is pointless if you have access to battlescribe, or the various leaks on the internet.

Unless you are interested in more than points. Like having all the latest matched play and terrain rules in a single source or new missions etc. £20 each year to have the latest rules isn't a lot in my opinion. Unless you'd rather trawl through a tonne of official and unofficial websites to find all that during a game?


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CA 2018 also has Codex: Adepta Sororitas and Index: Renegade Knights in it, all for the price of 3 WD magazines. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

CA2018 is a must buy, even only for the missions.

Also, GW no longer sell CA 2017...

You should only 'need' the BRB, the latest CA and your Codex.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

Mournssquats wrote:
I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

CA18 Page 134, very top line of the Tyranid table.

There is no instance of CA18 "missing" something in CA17 that hasn't been errata'd.


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 Crimson wrote:

Mournssquats wrote:
I had a question about points in .CA.

The Biovore had price
(A) in the codex
(B) in .CA 2017
and is not in .CA 2018

I assume that the .CA 2017
price is still the going rate to field one of these buggers.

No.

Or does it go to codex price as .CA 2017 is replaced by CA 2018, which soes not list a price for the biovore?

Yes.

Incorrect see above

@Mad Doc Grotsnik: You only "need" CA17 if you want the missions or the hobby material. All rules, points etc. are superseded or included in CA18

well except the Ork index stuff thats still valid as the codex didn't replace it, but no longer features in CA2018

Does GW continue to publish updates to index points once the faction codex has been released?

 Brother Castor wrote:
Does GW continue to publish updates to index points once the faction codex has been released?

All points values referenced in the index, that have a value in a codex, are invalid. All points values in a codex, that are also represented in CA2018, are invalid.

 Marmatag wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
Does GW continue to publish updates to index points once the faction codex has been released?

All points values referenced in the index, that have a value in a codex, are invalid. All points values in a codex, that are also represented in CA2018, are invalid.

Yes I know that. My question related to this:

leopard wrote:

well except the Ork index stuff thats still valid as the codex didn't replace it, but no longer features in CA2018

I was asking if GW was effectively ignoring the index now the codex has been released (even though there are index units that weren't superseded in the codex).

leopard wrote:
well except the Ork index stuff thats still valid as the codex didn't replace it, but no longer features in CA2018

Did you miss the part where I said "hasn't been errata'd"? https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/warhammer_40000_chapter_approved_2018_en-1.pdf

Page 131 – Updated Points Values: December 2018
Add the following:

And then it adds the Ork index things they forgot to include in the physical book.


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 Brother Castor wrote:
I was asking if GW was effectively ignoring the index now the codex has been released (even though there are index units that weren't superseded in the codex).

In short, yes. Indexes will eventually be banned from Matched play, so don't bother making models that use index options now. The Indexes exist solely to avoid nerd backlash by older gamers (who GW don't make money off anymore) and to please the GW legal team, because GW needs to rename everything in psudo latin and/or Adjective NounVerb format.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
I was asking if GW was effectively ignoring the index now the codex has been released (even though there are index units that weren't superseded in the codex).

In short, yes. Indexes will eventually be banned from Matched play, so don't bother making models that use index options now. The Indexes exist solely to avoid nerd backlash by older gamers (who GW don't make money off anymore) and to please the GW legal team, because GW needs to rename everything in psudo latin and/or Adjective NounVerb format.

While possible, and maybe even probable, your first statement is currently unfounded.

Right, so they missed it out by mistake then rather than any decision to ignore index units that weren't superseded by the codex.

 Brother Castor wrote:
Right, so they missed it out by mistake then rather than any decision to ignore index units that weren't superseded by the codex.

None of those units were "superseded" by the codex because they are Index Only units. They just forgot to include them because GW are incompetent and just copypasted, same reason why they forgot to fix the Swiftclaws and Skyclaw entry.

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:
Right, so they missed it out by mistake then rather than any decision to ignore index units that weren't superseded by the codex.

None of those units were "superseded" by the codex because they are Index Only units. They just forgot to include them because GW are incompetent and just copypasted, same reason why they forgot to fix the Swiftclaws and Skyclaw entry.

I would say that the reason they forgot to fix Swiftclaws and Skyclaws is because they aren't focused on Space Wolves at all. So it's more neglect than incompetence in this case. Whereas, with Orks, it's probably incompetence.