Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

This chapter of Space Marines probably spends more time killing allies than it does defeating enemies. In its attempts to keep itself hidden and purify, it wipes out whole planets and imperial units which would otherwise be useful. Seems like an utter waste of resources and man power to me. Thoughts?

It's a waste to kill off a regiment of IG sure but it's way better than an entire planet falling to demonic corruption.

It's cutting off a leg to save the whole body from infection except this infection will spread to everything nearby.

pm713 wrote:
It's a waste to kill off a regiment of IG sure but it's way better than an entire planet falling to demonic corruption.

It's cutting off a leg to save the whole body from infection except this infection will spread to everything nearby.

This.

There's a reason the =][= tends to operate under "The ends always justify the means".

But blowing up a planet because a few guardsmen escaped your slaughter and got away is waste.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
But blowing up a planet because a few guardsmen escaped your slaughter and got away is waste.

I think you underestimate how untold trillions of humans are out there in the IoM. What's a planet of a couple of billion compared to the rest of the empire?

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
But blowing up a planet because a few guardsmen escaped your slaughter and got away is waste.

Yes but that's what happens when you put dumb dumbs in charge.

Are you familiar with the newer books? Esp. after the cicatrix maledictum has appeared? IoM is changing... I don't want to spoiler anything though.

Not really I lost interest after gathering storm. But what I was referencing was the Months of Shame so I think it's a fair criticism.

I'm not a fan of the new 40k where suddenly science and progress seem to be the answer to problems, just like every other sci-fi setting ever written. Most of the Imperium is counterproductive, but it can afford to be. It's just to massive and powerfull to be stopped. Manpower and life has always been the cheapest reasource in the Imperium. Infact one of the most counterproductive organisations is the space marines. The sheer ammount of their recriuts that die during training/indoctrination is absurd. Same can be said for the reasources neccesary to produce their gear. All to reach a result that a rapid insertion force of say militarum temptestus could achieve.

Previously the murder of a world wasn't really a big deal. There's some huge implications to not exterminating a planet with chaos taint. The more it spread the more you get a mini chaos empire on your hands. Soon you'll get imperial organisations rebelling with physics breaking powers, and in the worst case scenario astartes might end up going renegade. To prevent the rocks that creates such a landslide it's far safer to just exterminate the threat.

Also an argument should be made for tyranids. It's a fairly common tactic to exterminate a world that's in the way of a tyranid hive fleet to rob them of the bio-matter on that world. The logic is similar for chaos only that you deny souls and knowledgable people (instead of bio-matter) to prevent further demonic manifistations.

The value of the Grey Knight comes mostly from them being incorruptible and being all psykers. A psyker only faction can read the future and can deal with threats that would leave other factions exposed to chaotic influence. Whenever a deamon primarch enters the fray, or both times Anngrathan (what's his name, 888p bloodthirster) has been summoned it's the GK that's banished them. They've previously bested Angrons demon form and his bodyguard of 8 bloodthirsters during the first war of armageddon. In previous itterations of 40k it's been stated that guardsmen facing chaos (with some obvious exceptions) have been executed and that space marines, to valuable to execute, are commonly just brainwashed afterwards. Sometimes the chapters librarium performs this duty, at other times it's the inquisition. 40k has since worked it's way away from that and tried to make chaos less of an corrupting force and more of a tanginable one. No longer will a stone grow tentacles and murder you but people need to chose to become minions and whatnot. So yeah, depending on how the fluff develops the inquisition might become counter productive. Mostly the diffrence will lie in how chaos continues to be presented as opposed to how the inquisition is.