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Hail,

Renegades and heretics got the worse index and to make matters worse the only updates it got were to nerf it even more.
Best thing we got afterwards is servants of the abyss but is not usable to generate cp unless the new traitor command box are both hqs.
Here we can discuss the best way to bring the most numerous force of chaos back to the table.

A few options I’ve thought of was
A) A white dwarf index to allow astra militrum to be used with chaos (much like the brood brothers of gsc) and can have a few pages dedicated to stratagems, regiment bonus, relics and warlord traits. Will need to give them all a mark of chaos which could be linked to the regiment bonus and the ability to swap lasgun For pistol and brutal assault weapon.

B) Individual datasheets with stats, much like AoS not needing codexs just have downloaded datasheets or minidex with the chaos keyword. This also ties in with how servants of the abyss, shadow spear and vigilus ablaze have been introduced.

C) An updated codex or index. This is the best option but will take a long time to implement with writing the codex, testing and model/conversion kit design and at the current gw interest means we will get s fieldable army by the time the models have decomposed. But will most likely give us a unique and possibility a competitive force. This could be a servants of the abyss codex.

What ever the options it’s clear that chaos guard are in the most need of all armies in the game and stats show they are preforming worse that even necrons and grey knights. With the focus on chaos currently this maybe the best chance to bring them back to the table.

What are your thoughts?

I think we can probably expect a mainline Lost And The Damned army in the near future, given all of the traitor guard stuff in Black Fortress. Reminiscent of GSC in Deathwatch: Overkill.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
I think we can probably expect a mainline Lost And The Damned army in the near future, given all of the traitor guard stuff in Black Fortress. Reminiscent of GSC in Deathwatch: Overkill.

I thought we would be getting mainline lost and damned since 8th started and so many times I’ve heard they are coming soon only to be disappointed. Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

Until it does happen we have the fan-made R&H ruleset

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Until it does happen we have the fan-made R&H ruleset

Can’t use fan made in tournaments.
But back to topic what are your thoughts on the rules I mentioned?

Nothing cause in the end gw will either A ignore us for even longer or B give us a full book to buy.

Not much else to think about. GW put us on the bottom of its list of things to clean up. No one is going to run a R&H army at any major tournament, so they have little incentive to listen.

DeathKorp_Rider wrote:
Not much else to think about. GW put us on the bottom of its list of things to clean up. No one is going to run a R&H army at any major tournament, so they have little incentive to listen.

Well that or they may still be traumatised from malefic spam, solved the issue but belive the list to be a Lost cause.