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I had this happen to me.

Enemy Knight lancer is within 3" of my leman russ. In my CHARGE phase after I have done all my charges, he chooses to pile in with his knight which is within 3" of my leman russ, even though his knight was not part of any of my charges or combats. Is this allowed?

If so, does his knight count as having having been charged for purposes of resolving fight order? If not, when would his knight fight?


Now after this, somehow my leman didn't die. He choose to then "fall back" out of of combat of my leman russ and move over my nearby infantry screen about 6" away and get into my basilisk line. None of the infantry where in combat with the knight. NOrmally he would not be able to step over my infantry screen in the movement phase. But he argued since he was in combat he could fall back over them. My interpretation is that the rule allowing knights to fall back over infantry and swarms is in relation to units that are actually in combat with the knight. Not just a generic I am in combat with any unit X and can fall back over a unit not in combat?

Any insight on this? I let him have it as he was very adamant he can do it and plays the tourney scene quite a lot. Seems like some very cagey stuff to me though.

Some knight households can heroic intervention from 6" away so yes he could have piled in b2b of you after you charged. Not all can do so however so make sure he clarifies which traditions he is using.

As for the infantry, if they were not engaged with the knight he could not in fact, fall back over them. They can only move over infantry that they are leaving combat with.

 Dynas wrote:
I had this happen to me.

Enemy Knight lancer is within 3" of my leman russ. In my CHARGE phase after I have done all my charges, he chooses to pile in with his knight which is within 3" of my leman russ, even though his knight was not part of any of my charges or combats. Is this allowed?

If so, does his knight count as having having been charged for purposes of resolving fight order? If not, when would his knight fight?


Now after this, somehow my leman didn't die. He choose to then "fall back" out of of combat of my leman russ and move over my nearby infantry screen about 6" away and get into my basilisk line. None of the infantry where in combat with the knight. NOrmally he would not be able to step over my infantry screen in the movement phase. But he argued since he was in combat he could fall back over them. My interpretation is that the rule allowing knights to fall back over infantry and swarms is in relation to units that are actually in combat with the knight. Not just a generic I am in combat with any unit X and can fall back over a unit not in combat?

Any insight on this? I let him have it as he was very adamant he can do it and plays the tourney scene quite a lot. Seems like some very cagey stuff to me though.

Unless the Knight is also a CHARACTER (via the stratagem) and can Heroically Intervene, what he did was 100% against the rules. If he did Heroically Intervene, then he would fight as a non-charging unit.

However, the falling back part is legal, "When this model Falls Back, it can move over enemy INFANTRY and SWARM models, though it must end its move more than 1" from any enemy units", it doesn't matter if those models were within 1" of the Knight or not.

 Dynas wrote:

Enemy Knight lancer is within 3" of my leman russ. In my CHARGE phase after I have done all my charges, he chooses to pile in with his knight which is within 3" of my leman russ, even though his knight was not part of any of my charges or combats. Is this allowed?

Yes, if the knight is a character.

BRB update 1.3
Q: Can you perform Heroic Interventions in your opponent’s
charge phase even if they did not declare any charges
that phase?
A: Yes.

 Dynas wrote:

If so, does his knight count as having having been charged for purposes of resolving fight order? If not, when would his knight fight?

It doesnt count as having been charged, because it didnt charge. But that doesnt matter. He can choose the knight to fight after all units that charged have fought, and you chose one eligible unit to fight with.

 Dynas wrote:

Now after this, somehow my leman didn't die. He choose to then "fall back" out of of combat of my leman russ and move over my nearby infantry screen about 6" away and get into my basilisk line. None of the infantry where in combat with the knight. NOrmally he would not be able to step over my infantry screen in the movement phase. But he argued since he was in combat he could fall back over them. My interpretation is that the rule allowing knights to fall back over infantry and swarms is in relation to units that are actually in combat with the knight. Not just a generic I am in combat with any unit X and can fall back over a unit not in combat?

Superheavy Walker
This model can Fall Back in the Movement phase and still shoot and/or charge in the same turn. When this model Falls Back, it can move over enemy INFANTRY and SWARM models, though it must end its move more than 1" from any enemy units. In addition, this model can move and fire Heavy weapons without suffering the penalty to its hit rolls. Finally, this model only gains a bonus to its save for being in cover if at least half of the model is obscured from the firer.

Yes, the rules allow this. If he doesnt move over the leman russ, which is not allowed.

I should clarify, yes it was a character.

Thanks p5freak, sounds like he did everything right.

Those character knights can be tricky. In future make damned sure to make sure which ones are characters and keep >3" away from them. I'm sure I make this mistake couple times in future before I have learned it by hard way

tneva82 wrote:
Those character knights can be tricky. In future make damned sure to make sure which ones are characters and keep >3" away from them. I'm sure I make this mistake couple times in future before I have learned it by hard way

Ive had this done and it sucks