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Is there any explicit mention of the Marines being the largest GSC cult in the galaxy?

I'd love to hear how you came to that conclusion?

Uhh, yeah dude totally! Hey pass that doobie bro..

No seriously wtf are you talking about?

They're implanted with 'Nid organs, and grow more organs to implant in future cultists.

Isn't that the definition of a GSC?

Bharring wrote:
They're implanted with 'Nid organs, and grow more organs to implant in future cultists.

Isn't that the definition of a GSC?

Who are implanted with Nid organs? Stop playing the pronoun game and make sense.

What are you on about with the Nid organs?

I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

That really needs to be clear. I've seen nothing based on that and I don't see any link between genestealers and marines.

Bharring wrote:
I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

Errr....really, REALLY unlikely, if not impossible. It's explicitly stated that the Nids were drawn to the Milky Way from the Pharos beacon going kablooey which happened well into the heresy. The first genestealers wasn't really encountered until around M35 and Genestealer Cults were even later. Unless the Emperor time warped into the future to do this (which....would be extremely questionable and unnecessary) there's no way he'd have his hands on their DNA at all. It simply wasn't available at the time.

Bharring wrote:
I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

Even IF we assume that this is correct, every SM (including CSM and Primaris) put together doesn't even come close to the largest GSCs which can span over entire sectors, so will number in the high billions.

 Grimskul wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

Errr....really, REALLY unlikely, if not impossible. It's explicitly stated that the Nids were drawn to the Milky Way from the Pharos beacon going kablooey which happened well into the heresy. The first genestealers wasn't really encountered until around M35 and Genestealer Cults were even later. Unless the Emperor time warped into the future to do this (which....would be extremely questionable and unnecessary) there's no way he'd have his hands on their DNA at all. It simply wasn't available at the time.

How can there be Tyranid-related oragnisms on Fenris and Catchan long before the Crusade if Nids weren't present in the Milky Way until later?

I think that's retconned.. Earlier on every carnivorous alien was related to tyranids.

Bharring wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

Errr....really, REALLY unlikely, if not impossible. It's explicitly stated that the Nids were drawn to the Milky Way from the Pharos beacon going kablooey which happened well into the heresy. The first genestealers wasn't really encountered until around M35 and Genestealer Cults were even later. Unless the Emperor time warped into the future to do this (which....would be extremely questionable and unnecessary) there's no way he'd have his hands on their DNA at all. It simply wasn't available at the time.

How can there be Tyranid-related oragnisms on Fenris and Catchan long before the Crusade if Nids weren't present in the Milky Way until later?

AFAIK, it's only rumoured, never confirmed or explicitly stated that supposed Tyranid organisms (like the Catachan Devil and Kraken) actually were seeded before the full arrival of the Tyranids. Furthermore, given the plethora of hostile xenos species, I don't find it hard to believe that they are just deadly due to their local environment and not due to any modifications made by the Tyranids. They don't match any of the scouting and insidious elements of proper Tyranid forward scouting organisms (i.e. Genestealers and Lictors) and certainly lack any semblance of the Hive Mind presence.

Given that the Pharos book was written after the in-universe speculation of these supposed vanguard species, it certainly at the very least retcons them to not being Tyranid organisms at all given that we now know when the Hive Mind was alerted to the Milk Way's presence.

I didn't know that that was retconned.

I consider this a possible theory, and am not satisfied by it's refutation (or it's defense). Similar to "Dark Angels are closet Chaos". I just brought it up because the crackpot thread reminded me of this. But it's not a crackpot theory.

Bharring wrote:
I didn't know that that was retconned.

I consider this a possible theory, and am not satisfied by it's refutation (or it's defense). Similar to "Dark Angels are closet Chaos". I just brought it up because the crackpot thread reminded me of this. But it's not a crackpot theory.

It's possible but really unlikely. Astartes geneseed is made from the Primarchs which was made by the Emperor with Chaos help. There's no reason to assume Genestealers were a part of it. They don't have any Tyranid traits like talons or fangs, they're for a completely different purpose and don't have anything that's unique to genestealers like a brood mind.


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 Grimskul wrote:

Bharring wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

Bharring wrote:
I'm alluding the the allusion that the Space Marine geneseed is based on Genestealer phisiology.

It's very much conjecture and possibilities, but there are a couple reasons to think Geneseeds were derived from Tyranids. Much the way that POTMS is, at times, implied to be Necron-related. Or how the IoM Webway relates to the Eldar.

Errr....really, REALLY unlikely, if not impossible. It's explicitly stated that the Nids were drawn to the Milky Way from the Pharos beacon going kablooey which happened well into the heresy. The first genestealers wasn't really encountered until around M35 and Genestealer Cults were even later. Unless the Emperor time warped into the future to do this (which....would be extremely questionable and unnecessary) there's no way he'd have his hands on their DNA at all. It simply wasn't available at the time.

How can there be Tyranid-related oragnisms on Fenris and Catchan long before the Crusade if Nids weren't present in the Milky Way until later?

AFAIK, it's only rumoured, never confirmed or explicitly stated that supposed Tyranid organisms (like the Catachan Devil and Kraken) actually were seeded before the full arrival of the Tyranids. Furthermore, given the plethora of hostile xenos species, I don't find it hard to believe that they are just deadly due to their local environment and not due to any modifications made by the Tyranids. They don't match any of the scouting and insidious elements of proper Tyranid forward scouting organisms (i.e. Genestealers and Lictors) and certainly lack any semblance of the Hive Mind presence.

Given that the Pharos book was written after the in-universe speculation of these supposed vanguard species, it certainly at the very least retcons them to not being Tyranid organisms at all given that we now know when the Hive Mind was alerted to the Milk Way's presence.

It could be that someone else made them. Inferno has a couple of pages on how Fenris makes no sense. Most of it's life shouldn't really be there.

Just because geneseed enters someone and overwrites their DNA with someone else's does not mean they're somehow related to genestealers. This isn't unique to Genestealers, it's a deining trait of Viruses.